Should nations provide an anarchic zone for disgruntled citizens?

[Blood Brain Barrier]

At the moment here's the arrangement no matter where you are in the world - each of us is born in a particular country, which has its own laws and culture. We are educated to have the knowledge and skills under which we can succeed and make money which is needed to live. Now, if we consider that society cannot possibly cater for everyone and there will always be biologies on the fringes of what is average, it should be obvious that such societies will always have some degree of instability. An individual with unsuitable biology who is unemployable, cannot get along with anyone and is not able to adapt to a culture must be able to see an alternative, otherwise he/she will resort to crime, murder and suicide.

It's common sense that living under a culture which does not have room for a particular individual is what leads to not only suicide and insanity but the harm of other individuals. How many gun rampages have there been in the past couple of years? Suicides are going up. If each nation or perhaps the UN arranged to have a region free of governance, essentially this would act as a natural buffer for unadapted biologies to go instead of becoming psychologically pressured into crime or suicide through no fault of their own other than being born.

With regard to being unhappy in your country the traditional view is either "vote to change it", which is nonsense because one vote counts for nothing, or "love it or leave it" - but is that really a choice? Besides needing money to travel, you have to actually like the place you're going to an fit in there too. There's just as much chance that you won't fit in there either. And if you dislike modern culture full stop, you're out of luck.

Nations like to talk about freedom, but without freedom from culture there is no choice, and a society within which citizens live by choice rather than fate would be far more peaceful and happy with a low suicide and crime rate. We should acknowledge the 'natural' state of man. In the distant past the population was low enough that you could wander and find somewhere you could live. Considering the modern man/woman MUST be involved with the society she is born into, which is unnatural since in the past food and a place to sleep was available in nature and not only by purchase, this arrangement amounts to a dictatorship not fundamentally different from Stalin's, Mussolini's or Hitler's.

Thoughts?

Captcha: it happens
Yes it does.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Um...what?

Also, do you have any evidence that suicides and violent crime are going up? Not just in your neck of the woods, but overall, if you are talking about various nations doing this?

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Um...what?

Also, do you have any evidence that suicides and violent crime are going up? Not just in your neck of the woods, but overall, if you are talking about various nations doing this?

http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?page_id=04ea1254-bd31-1fa3-c549d77e6ca6aa37

That's the US. I'm not going to get the stats of each country if that's what you want me to do.

 

[Biodeamon]

yeah of course. they already have a place for people like that already. it's called jail.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

Ok, so what you would like is an area set aside in each country that has no rules and regulations, and people can do whatever depraved acts they want there without repercussions? That sounds like a Judge Dredd plot.

An individual with unsuitable biology who is unemployable, cannot get along with anyone and is not able to adapt to a culture must be able to see an alternative, otherwise he/she will resort to crime, murder and suicide.

I think you need to define this a bit better. What on earth constitutes an "unsuitable biology"? Emos, Gypsies, Rapists, Pedofiles, murderers etc?

We should absolutely not create a safe haven within our countries for murderers, rapists, etc. to go to commit their crimes.
Other people like emos and people suffering depression do not need a place free of law to go to, they need a psychiatrist and medical help.

So... no.

 

[Lionsfan]

An anarchy zone? The US already has one of those, it's called Detroit

[sub]I kid, I kid, Detroit's really not that bad. It's too empty to be THAT dangerous anymore[/sub][footnote]Also, my captcha is, "Which one is the smallest", and 4 of the answers are about cabbages[/footnote]

 

[Jazoni89]

Back in the 70's, no-one commit suicide over the state of their politics or country, no, they became...

Punks!

Music has always been a good way of dealing with broken politics. Far better than the alternatives such as riots, and the aforementioned suicides. I wish it was still that way, because there's still a lot of punk culture that is relevant today, especially in Britain. What with extreme cuts to public sectors, Youth unemployment at a all time high, and the conservatives doing their best to crush the working class under their foot.


You could say Punk predicted a very dark future ahead (even beyond the early Thatcher years of Britain), and the one we are pretty much living in right now. If this was indeed the 70's, the government wouldn't be able to get away with the shit that they do now.

My point is, you cannot chain up anarchist to a certain place, because anarchy via music is the best way to get one's point across, without resorting to violence. It can inspire violence true, but most of the time it can be used for good means, and radical change, not just in the way people think, but how the government acts on our behalf. Not every anarchist is a violent scumbag, they just want things to be different, and that's probably the majority of people living in England now.

 

[GM.Casper]

And what happens when a two years later some warlord takes over the zone and it stops being anarchy?

Anarchy just isn't sustainable. Feudal warlordism is the default state of humanity.

 

[BiggyShackleton]

From what I gathered you're describing a situation like District 13, any area that essentially becomes a shithole for criminals to live in. Trouble is that a situation like that will never stay localised and eventually it spills out.

It's a bad idea.

 

[lithiumvocals]

So, you want to create Arkham City, but for regular people?

 

[winginson]

They wouldn't go there anyway, it'd be no fun anarchying-up somewhere that already is anarchy. And as said before it wouldn't take long for a feudal warlord style order to be imposed.

 

[Esotera]

The UN has actually already implemented several anarchic zones across the globe, for the convenience of disgruntled citizens worldwide. They include exciting and exotic locations such as Somalia, Sudan, and Zimbabwe.

An anarchic zone in the middle of an otherwise ok country isn't going to solve employment or make living conditions better...it's just going to make it worse in the zone & the country surrounding it.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Your concept suggests that people who are angry just need to get it out of their system, rather than the problems that are making them angry in the first place needing to be addressed. In some cases this may be true, but I fear that governments would abuse this. 'People are protesting in the street? No matter, just let them protest in the anarchy zone, while the rest of us more civilised citizens can continue kidding ourselves into thinking we're doing a great job.'

That and what others have said. Either it would go unused, because being an anarchist lawfully kind of misses the point of being an anarchist; or, shit would get real and the anarchy zone would become a cauldron of bloodshed, constantly threatening to spill over.

 

[Lilani]

It's common sense that living under a culture which does not have room for a particular individual is what leads to not only suicide and insanity but the harm of other individuals. How many gun rampages have there been in the past couple of years? Suicides are going up. If each nation or perhaps the UN arranged to have a region free of governance, essentially this would act as a natural buffer for unadapted biologies to go instead of becoming psychologically pressured into crime or suicide through no fault of their own other than being born.

Um, what? I think usually people don't go on rampages because society doesn't have "room" for them. It's that society has "room" for other things they happen to not like. Take that Norway bomber who claimed he was on a holy mission, or that shooting at that Sikh place. I guess you could say society didn't have room for them--if by "room" you mean "room for people who want to purge the world of certain kinds of other people."

As for suicidals, I think if that's how you feel about them then clearly you've never met one. Depression and suicidal thoughts are less about what is happening to you and more about how you are reacting to what is happening to you. No matter where you put them they aren't going to do well, because they aren't coping with the world properly, whether it be because of mental trauma or a hormonal imbalance or both.

I'm sorry, but this is just a bunch of nonsense. You've completely eliminated the idea of the individual, and are totally ignoring the fact that "culture" varies widely around the world, so much so that there's no way this little theory could possibly encompass all of them. So no, we can't have an anarchic zone, because then kids will just act all angsty on purpose so they can get a free trip to Pleasure Island.

 

[alrekr]

First thing that came to mind: escape from new york

In all honesty this is what would happen. Just less awesome cause no Snake Plisske

 

[Axolotl]

We already had this happen with Kowloon and while not as bad as might be expected it hardly stopped all crime in Hong Kong, in fact it just provided the Triads with more revenue and a place to hide.

 

[Macgyvercas]

God no, that's a terrible idea. Think about it. What makes you think anarchists are going to stay in the "Anarchy Area"? By following the rules, that defeats the purpose. Thus, they'd spread out and soon you have chaos everywhere.

 

[Risingblade]

So you want to stuff a bunch of misfits who are prone to do harm to society in one place with no laws or supervision. Umm...what good can come from this? Actually...international waters are law free right? Send them there maybe there's an island or something they could live on.

 

[Rednog]

I guess it could work...I mean it worked for Great Britain when they shipped off their unwanted to Australia. Though the only land mass that's really undesirable is Antarctica.