Should organ donation be manditory?

[Shio]

I agree. I feel the same way about how our current administration views the wealthy. If someone has worked hard to become a wealthy individual, there are alot of vocal people these days that believe that they should be taxed to death to provide for the poor. Thats bullshit. Just like its bullshit to try and FORCE me to donate my organs.

Because communism is awesome, lol.

 

[FamoFunk]

But why should people have to opt-out if they never wanted to opt-in in the first place?

Because something this generalised can never hope to satisfy everyone.

At least they can actually get out of it if they want to, I'm not forcing anyone to do anything that they don't want to do.

Yes you are, you are forcing people to become a donor without their permission, which is wrong.
Yes you can opt-out, but why should you have to? If someone wants to donate, they will. If people are concerned that there's not enough donations, then campaining or educations should be done, not "Hay, I just signed you up to give up your kindneys without your say so.".

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

Did I say those things?

If not then don't put words into my mouth.

I never said you did, I was merely pointing out that your general statement about morality not being fixed is not always true.

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

But why should people have to opt-out if they never wanted to opt-in in the first place?

Because something this generalised can never hope to satisfy everyone.

At least they can actually get out of it if they want to, I'm not forcing anyone to do anything that they don't want to do.

Yes you are, you are forcing people to become a donor without their permission, which is wrong.
Yes you can opt-out, but why should you have to? If someone wants to donate, they will. If people are concerned that there's not enough donations, then campaining or educations should be done, not "Hay, I just signed you up to give up your kindneys without your say so.".

Ok, listen very carefully;

If I am giving them a way of getting out of it, I am not forcing them to do it.

I merely think that opt out is a much more efficient starting point than opt in from a
'getting as many useful organs as we can from dead people'
standpoint.

 

[Shio]

I stand firm in the notion that we have the right to do anything to ourselves. As long as we harm or hinder no one else in the process.

I agree with you, but I have a question.

I once attempted suicide by taking an entire month's worth of my antidepressants. I ended up in hospital for a while and then spent a month in a mental health hospital. It was a few years ago so I was under 18. My parents had to by law do a bunch of stuff and the suicide attempt cost them a lot of time and caused a ton of emotional stress.

Did I have the 'right' to do that, in your eyes? I mean, you say so long as we don't hinder or harm anyone else, we have the right to do anything too ourselves.

Just curious as to your thoughts. Not calling you out or anything.

 

[Flight]

Absolutely not. No one is entitled to someone else's body, including organs. If people want to donate, that's good. If they don't wish to, they shouldn't have to - and I'm speaking as someone who plans to donate my organs when I die.

 

[Shio]

Ok, listen very carefully;

You are forcing people to be a donor. You are giving them a way out of it, yes. So? How about I decide I want your brain. You can opt out if you want, but if you don't, I'm coming over in a week to take your brain. I'm not forcing you to give it to me - just opt out!

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

Ok, listen very carefully;

You are forcing people to be a donor. You are giving them a way out of it, yes. So? How about I decide I want your brain. You can opt out if you want, but if you don't, I'm coming over in a week to take your brain. I'm not forcing you to give it to me - just opt out!

Totally seperate issue.

Am I ok with being murdered for my organs? no.
Am I ok with my organs being used once I'm dead? yes.

Last time I will say this:

FORCING implies that they have no choice.
OPT OUT is a choice not to do something.

If I am giving them a chance to opt out, I cannot be forcing them.

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

Did I say those things?

If not then don't put words into my mouth.

I never said you did, I was merely pointing out that your general statement about morality not being fixed is not always true.

It's entirely true.

And the things you pointed out have provably happened.

There have already been cultures that not only accepted rape and murder as part of everyday life, they were also thought of as an essential part of being a man.

Genghis Khan raped thousands of women, he was also responsible for the deaths of countless more men. His people treated that as part of what made him great.

Morality is far from fixed my friend. Who knows what the future is going to hold on that front.

Fair enough. Didn't think about the past examples tbh.

 

[One of Many]

I am not a collection of spare parts for some Gman to order cut up when I move on.

There my organs and I'll keep them thank you very much. I couldn't care about those it might save or about humanity in general. And no, it doesn't bother me if that seems selfish. Those are a few of my failings.

 

[Shio]

If I am giving them a chance to opt out, I cannot be forcing them.

You are forcing them to be donors. You are giving them the option to opt out, but you are forcing them to have to (the people who would otherwise never be a donor).

Luckily the law is on my side and such a situation will never occur. My organs will either rot with me or get sold off to the highest bidder. And I like that.

 

[fenrizz]

It should be mandatory, no opt out.

What you gonna do with your organs after you are dead?

 

[Shio]

I stand firm in the notion that we have the right to do anything to ourselves. As long as we harm or hinder no one else in the process.

I agree with you, but I have a question.

I once attempted suicide by taking an entire month's worth of my antidepressants. I ended up in hospital for a while and then spent a month in a mental health hospital. It was a few years ago so I was under 18. My parents had to by law do a bunch of stuff and the suicide attempt cost them a lot of time and caused a ton of emotional stress.

Did I have the 'right' to do that, in your eyes? I mean, you say so long as we don't hinder or harm anyone else, we have the right to do anything too ourselves.

Just curious as to your thoughts. Not calling you out or anything.

You know, as I was writing those words. That precise (more or less) scenario popped into my head.

To be honest with you, I don't know. In the end, it's your life. The final say of what happens to it should come down to you. But I do think taking responsibility for it (after the fact) is your responsibility.

Don't mean to sound like a prick or anything there.

I would say it is your right. So long as you take full responsibility for your actions.

Fair enough. Thanks for the answer.

 

[^=ash=^]

It would makes sense.

One could set up harvesting facilities, almost like a factory I guess. Take what can be used, leaving the husk intact and leave in what is of no use then bury people vertically to save space.

xxx

 

[Tuesday Night Fever]

Do I think it should be mandatory? No. In the United States we're already as a whole willing to give up far too many of our personal freedoms without adding yet another to the pile.

If people want to donate and save some lives, let them. If people think it's icky, or don't want to contribute to overpopulation, or don't want their livers going to alcoholics or whatever... don't force them to do it.

Because really... at the end of the day... organ donation is not really any different from any other kind of donation. If there's a particularly bad natural disaster would you want the government to make it mandatory that you contribute money or supplies for the relief efforts? Donations should always be voluntary.

Do right for the right reasons. Not because someone forced you to do it.

 

[Shio]

If I am giving them a chance to opt out, I cannot be forcing them.

You are forcing them to be donors. You are giving them the option to opt out, but you are forcing them to have to (the people who would otherwise never be a donor).

My organs will either rot with me or get sold off to the highest bidder. And I like that.

I give up. Your stupidity wins.

As for your opinion; enjoy it, its the only friend you will ever have.

Goodbye, I won't be replying to you again, you paragon of humanity you.

Insults and sarcastic name calling? That's not the way to validate your opinion.