Should organ donation be manditory?

[Coraxian]

making organ donation an opt out thing is not plausible. imagine those who forget to sign when they renew their licence, there would be lawsuits from families of people who knew their lost loved ones had their organs taken.

but i don't believe this will be an issue after another 5 or so years. they are already able to create stem cells from adult blood cells, so we will be able to soon create new organs from the persons own D.N.A. reducing the rejection. this would not be a fix for cases where organs are needed immediately, but those who are on waiting lists for years can get replacements that are better suited to their bodies.

science makes life better, just gotta get the ethics and religious views out of the way.

It's already in effect over here, but unless the deceased specifically opted in, instead of just opting out or not doing anything at all, the family can always stop an organ harvesting.

And you are of course correct at your second point. But in the mean time I'm happy to live an opt-out country. You never know for certain you won't need it.

 

[fenrizz]

Ok people tell me what is so wrong with the current system? why is obligatory organ donations the right path?
And why should we forfeit some of our fundamental right in favor of the "greater good"? WHY? and please dont give me that crap about the right thing bla bla bla, why should i have to be born as a ticking organ donation until i reach 18 years instead of signing up of my own free will, as a personal moral decision when i reach 18?

Why is YOUR idea better than the current one?

And just because of that i have to give up MY organs for no profit whatsoever to my family because people need them? where's my right to choose not to? why can't i just choose if i want to? that's the real question why is signing up so bad and being forced to donate so good? why do i have to help out a stranger? because he needs it?
Forced socialism didn't work for the russians it sure as hell wont work for other countries

Because you don't need your organs after you are dead.

You cannot profit from your organs, as the buying and selling of organs is illegal in almost all countries.

You are dead and have no use for them.
Your family cannot profit from them, because organ trade is illegal.

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

 

[Murray Kitson]

making organ donation an opt out thing is not plausible. imagine those who forget to sign when they renew their licence, there would be lawsuits from families of people who knew their lost loved ones had their organs taken.

but i don't believe this will be an issue after another 5 or so years. they are already able to create stem cells from adult blood cells, so we will be able to soon create new organs from the persons own D.N.A. reducing the rejection. this would not be a fix for cases where organs are needed immediately, but those who are on waiting lists for years can get replacements that are better suited to their bodies.

science makes life better, just gotta get the ethics and religious views out of the way.

It's already in effect over here, but unless the deceased specifically opted in, instead of just opting out or not doing anything at all, the family can always stop an organ harvesting.

And you are of course correct at your second point. But in the mean time I'm happy to live an opt-out country. You never know for certain you won't need it.

as long as the family can stop it, i see no problem in the opt in option, but i think it should be a selected option in order to receive your licence. sex male ( ) female ( ) organ donation yes ( ) no ( )

 

[Trasken]

My real question is, why is this opt-out system based on solidarity so much better than the opt-in system? why do we have to be born as a walking bag of organs ripe for harvesting at the need of some powerful and influential person who happens to be in the room next to yours and "convinces" the doctors that you are dead and therefore your heart can go to him.
The problems with opt out are WAY bigger than with the opt in system , and let's not forget it would a violation of our rights, but hey im sure that helping others is more important than enforcing our rights

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.[/quote]

 

[blind_dead_mcjones]

Ok people tell me what is so wrong with the current system? why is obligatory organ donations the right path?
And why should we forfeit some of our fundamental right in favor of the "greater good"? WHY? and please dont give me that crap about the right thing bla bla bla, why should i have to be born as a ticking organ donation until i reach 18 years instead of signing up of my own free will, as a personal moral decision when i reach 18?

Why is YOUR idea better than the current one?

And just because of that i have to give up MY organs for no profit whatsoever to my family because people need them? where's my right to choose not to? why can't i just choose if i want to? that's the real question why is signing up so bad and being forced to donate so good? why do i have to help out a stranger? because he needs it?
Forced socialism didn't work for the russians it sure as hell wont work for other countries

Because you don't need your organs after you are dead.

You cannot profit from your organs, as the buying and selling of organs is illegal in almost all countries.

You are dead and have no use for them.
Your family cannot profit from them, because organ trade is illegal.

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

you want to play that card then fine with me

and what about the worms and beetles? they perform an essential function to keep the soil healthy allowing plants to grow (as well as being a food scource for birds) and help the cycle of life continue, they have a use for both the body and its organs, why is one terminally ill persons needs greater than the life cycles needs?

and you know, for all the talk about saving lives and value of life you pro opt out lot quickly become rather callous once a person is dead, its rather two faced and cowardly if you ask me

 

[Kurenaino]

There are actually a lot of things wrong with the current system. Mandatory donation, though, is not the solution. I would argue that it would make it way worse.

The major problem with donation right now is that a lot of organ doners don't actually donate their organs. The organs are tossed out or deemed unfit for one reason or another. These are precautions that have to be in place, but it makes organ donation run inefficiently. While mandatory donation would cast a very wide net, the problem with that is that a lot of people would end up getting organs that just can't be used by their bodies. A mandatory donation system would end up including people that by all rights should not donate because of various genetic and health conditions that would make the donated organ harmful, not helpful. It's also very difficult to determine if there's a problem after the person's dead, and organs must be transfered extremely quickly. There is no time for testing.

The solution's fairly simple. At a routine check up, a simple blood test run through various panels could determine if a person is an ideal doner. People ideal for donation I think should then be given the opportunity and the option to sign up for donation. No mandatory anything, but an informed discussion between the doctor and the potential doner would keep everyone informed and aware of the benefits and drawbacks of donation. Problem solved.

 

[Kurenaino]

Ok people tell me what is so wrong with the current system? why is obligatory organ donations the right path?
And why should we forfeit some of our fundamental right in favor of the "greater good"? WHY? and please dont give me that crap about the right thing bla bla bla, why should i have to be born as a ticking organ donation until i reach 18 years instead of signing up of my own free will, as a personal moral decision when i reach 18?

Why is YOUR idea better than the current one?

There are actually a lot of things wrong with the current system. Mandatory donation, though, is not the solution. I would argue that it would make it way worse.

The major problem with donation right now is that a lot of organ doners don't actually donate their organs. The organs are tossed out or deemed unfit for one reason or another. These are precautions that have to be in place, but it makes organ donation run inefficiently. While mandatory donation would cast a very wide net, the problem with that is that a lot of people would end up getting organs that just can't be used by their bodies. A mandatory donation system would end up including people that by all rights should not donate because of various genetic and health conditions that would make the donated organ harmful, not helpful. It's also very difficult to determine if there's a problem after the person's dead, and organs must be transfered extremely quickly. There is no time for testing.

The solution's fairly simple. At a routine check up, a simple blood test run through various panels could determine if a person is an ideal doner. People ideal for donation I think should then be given the opportunity and the option to sign up for donation. No mandatory anything, but an informed discussion between the doctor and the potential doner would keep everyone informed and aware of the benefits and drawbacks of donation. Problem solved.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

N
Four: (more of a personal thing) I don't want to have my organs used to revive some douchebag who is just going to make the world worse. If they're a good person that's okay, but what would I know? I'd be dead.

Doctors help everyone anyway, would you let an infant die because you wouldnt know if it was a douche or a drunk driver instead? Thats kinda douchy... Id rather accidentally help an idiot that mistakenly kill a child or a good person, or a neurosurgeon.

You want my organs? Fine, pay my living relatives for everything you take. Im not the wellfare and most certainly not after death, either.

So you think people deserve to die if they cant afford your organs? You cant deny thats kinda sick. Being alive and having functioning organs should NOT require a price. Food should. Having a kidney that doesnt slowly poison you isnt a lot to ask for, and it shouldnt cost money.

 

[fenrizz]

My real question is, why is this opt-out system based on solidarity so much better than the opt-in system? why do we have to be born as a walking bag of organs ripe for harvesting at the need of some powerful and influential person who happens to be in the room next to yours and "convinces" the doctors that you are dead and therefore your heart can go to him.
The problems with opt out are WAY bigger than with the opt in system , and let's not forget it would a violation of our rights, but hey im sure that helping others is more important than enforcing our rights

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

[/quote]

The opt out system is better, because most people don't give a shit and can't be arsed to opt in nor out.

As for the scenario you are describing at the top...
farfetched and paranoid, at best.

Ok people tell me what is so wrong with the current system? why is obligatory organ donations the right path?
And why should we forfeit some of our fundamental right in favor of the "greater good"? WHY? and please dont give me that crap about the right thing bla bla bla, why should i have to be born as a ticking organ donation until i reach 18 years instead of signing up of my own free will, as a personal moral decision when i reach 18?

Why is YOUR idea better than the current one?

And just because of that i have to give up MY organs for no profit whatsoever to my family because people need them? where's my right to choose not to? why can't i just choose if i want to? that's the real question why is signing up so bad and being forced to donate so good? why do i have to help out a stranger? because he needs it?
Forced socialism didn't work for the russians it sure as hell wont work for other countries

Because you don't need your organs after you are dead.

You cannot profit from your organs, as the buying and selling of organs is illegal in almost all countries.

You are dead and have no use for them.
Your family cannot profit from them, because organ trade is illegal.

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

you want to play that card then fine with me

and what about the worms and beetles? they perform an essential function to keep the soil healthy allowing plants to grow (as well as being a food scource for birds) and help the cycle of life continue, they have a use for both the body and its organs, why is one terminally ill persons needs greater than the life cycles needs?

and you know, for all the talk about saving lives and value of life you pro opt out lot quickly become rather callous once a person is dead, its rather two faced and cowardly if you ask me

The life cycle is just fine without your precious organs.
Besides, most caskets in western countries made so that these worms and beetles cannot access your body, much less feast on it.

Two faced and cowardly?
By acknowledging that you have no use, whatsoever, for organs once you are dead?

 

[Vitor Goncalves]

Hmm its a tough question. Well i know that many people would/un able to donate citing religious or medical reasons so that would rule them out. But if it was made mandatory you would have I would imagine a substantial population of individuals protesting about the lack of choice and oppossing the concept on moral grounds. Ultimately i believe it should remain voluntary, even though there is not enough volunteers as it is.

In Portugal for 10 years now is a opt out thing. So almost everybody is a donor. People despised a lot the idea before the law came out but apparently was not worth for them to go out their way to request a court order to prevent their organs to be donated in case of their premature demise.

 

[Hiname]

So you think people deserve to die if they cant afford your organs? You cant deny thats kinda sick. Being alive and having functioning organs should NOT require a price. Food should. Having a kidney that doesnt slowly poison you isnt a lot to ask for, and it shouldnt cost money.

I did not said the people who need them are to pay. I will not "donate" my organs just because my body stopped working. So if some docor from the nearest hospital comes up to my brother and says "So, we could need your sisters liver and her heart.", then he better comes up with a nice bit of money for my family for them. A death in the family is costy enough without adding charity.

 

[TheAceTheOne]

I would rather keep 'em. I know it sounds selfish, but during life, I've come to be rather attached to my bits and bobs. Only things I'd give up would be whatever my family/girlfriend would need, IF they would need it.

 

[Trasken]

My real question is, why is this opt-out system based on solidarity so much better than the opt-in system? why do we have to be born as a walking bag of organs ripe for harvesting at the need of some powerful and influential person who happens to be in the room next to yours and "convinces" the doctors that you are dead and therefore your heart can go to him.
The problems with opt out are WAY bigger than with the opt in system , and let's not forget it would a violation of our rights, but hey im sure that helping others is more important than enforcing our rights

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

The opt out system is better, because most people don't give a shit and can't be arsed to opt in nor out.

As for the scenario you are describing at the top...
farfetched and paranoid, at best.

Ok people tell me what is so wrong with the current
system? why is obligatory organ donations the right path?
And why should we forfeit some of our fundamental right in favor of the "greater good"? WHY? and please dont give me that crap about the right thing bla bla bla, why should i have to be born as a ticking organ donation until i reach 18 years instead of signing up of my own free will, as a personal moral decision when i reach 18?

Why is YOUR idea better than the current one?

And just because of that i have to give up MY organs for no profit whatsoever to my family because people need them? where's my right to choose not to? why can't i just choose if i want to? that's the real question why is signing up so bad and being forced to donate so good? why do i have to help out a stranger? because he needs it?
Forced socialism didn't work for the russians it sure as hell wont work for other countries

Because you don't need your organs after you are dead.

You cannot profit from your organs, as the buying and selling of organs is illegal in almost all countries.

You are dead and have no use for them.
Your family cannot profit from them, because organ trade is illegal.

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

By acknowledging that you have no use, whatsoever, for organs once you are dead?

My real question is, why is this opt-out system based on solidarity so much better than the opt-in system? why do we have to be born as a walking bag of organs ripe for harvesting at the need of some powerful and influential person who happens to be in the room next to yours and "convinces" the doctors that you are dead and therefore your heart can go to him.
The problems with opt out are WAY bigger than with the opt in system , and let's not forget it would a violation of our rights, but hey im sure that helping others is more important than enforcing our rights

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

The opt out system is better, because most people don't give a shit and can't be arsed to opt in nor out.

As for the scenario you are describing at the top...
farfetched and paranoid, at best.

Ok people tell me what is so wrong with the current system? why is obligatory organ donations the right path?
And why should we forfeit some of our fundamental right in favor of the "greater good"? WHY? and please dont give me that crap about the right thing bla bla bla, why should i have to be born as a ticking organ donation until i reach 18 years instead of signing up of my own free will, as a personal moral decision when i reach 18?

Why is YOUR idea better than the current one?

And just because of that i have to give up MY organs for no profit whatsoever to my family because people need them? where's my right to choose not to? why can't i just choose if i want to? that's the real question why is signing up so bad and being forced to donate so good? why do i have to help out a stranger? because he needs it?
Forced socialism didn't work for the russians it sure as hell wont work for other countries

Because you don't need your organs after you are dead.

You cannot profit from your organs, as the buying and selling of organs is illegal in almost all countries.

You are dead and have no use for them.
Your family cannot profit from them, because organ trade is illegal.

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

you want to play that card then fine with me

and what about the worms and beetles? they perform an essential function to keep the soil healthy allowing plants to grow (as well as being a food scource for birds) and help the cycle of life continue, they have a use for both the body and its organs, why is one terminally ill persons needs greater than the life cycles needs?

and you know, for all the talk about saving lives and value of life you pro opt out lot quickly become rather callous once a person is dead, its rather two faced and cowardly if you ask me

So wait because people don't care about signing up their liberty to choose should be taken away? that too is against the law

 

[fenrizz]

My real question is, why is this opt-out system based on solidarity so much better than the opt-in system? why do we have to be born as a walking bag of organs ripe for harvesting at the need of some powerful and influential person who happens to be in the room next to yours and "convinces" the doctors that you are dead and therefore your heart can go to him.
The problems with opt out are WAY bigger than with the opt in system , and let's not forget it would a violation of our rights, but hey im sure that helping others is more important than enforcing our rights

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

The opt out system is better, because most people don't give a shit and can't be arsed to opt in nor out.

As for the scenario you are describing at the top...
farfetched and paranoid, at best.

Ok people tell me what is so wrong with the current
system? why is obligatory organ donations the right path?
And why should we forfeit some of our fundamental right in favor of the "greater good"? WHY? and please dont give me that crap about the right thing bla bla bla, why should i have to be born as a ticking organ donation until i reach 18 years instead of signing up of my own free will, as a personal moral decision when i reach 18?

Why is YOUR idea better than the current one?

And just because of that i have to give up MY organs for no profit whatsoever to my family because people need them? where's my right to choose not to? why can't i just choose if i want to? that's the real question why is signing up so bad and being forced to donate so good? why do i have to help out a stranger? because he needs it?
Forced socialism didn't work for the russians it sure as hell wont work for other countries

Because you don't need your organs after you are dead.

You cannot profit from your organs, as the buying and selling of organs is illegal in almost all countries.

You are dead and have no use for them.
Your family cannot profit from them, because organ trade is illegal.

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

By acknowledging that you have no use, whatsoever, for organs once you are dead?

My real question is, why is this opt-out system based on solidarity so much better than the opt-in system? why do we have to be born as a walking bag of organs ripe for harvesting at the need of some powerful and influential person who happens to be in the room next to yours and "convinces" the doctors that you are dead and therefore your heart can go to him.
The problems with opt out are WAY bigger than with the opt in system , and let's not forget it would a violation of our rights, but hey im sure that helping others is more important than enforcing our rights

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

The opt out system is better, because most people don't give a shit and can't be arsed to opt in nor out.

As for the scenario you are describing at the top...
farfetched and paranoid, at best.

Ok people tell me what is so wrong with the current system? why is obligatory organ donations the right path?
And why should we forfeit some of our fundamental right in favor of the "greater good"? WHY? and please dont give me that crap about the right thing bla bla bla, why should i have to be born as a ticking organ donation until i reach 18 years instead of signing up of my own free will, as a personal moral decision when i reach 18?

Why is YOUR idea better than the current one?

And just because of that i have to give up MY organs for no profit whatsoever to my family because people need them? where's my right to choose not to? why can't i just choose if i want to? that's the real question why is signing up so bad and being forced to donate so good? why do i have to help out a stranger? because he needs it?
Forced socialism didn't work for the russians it sure as hell wont work for other countries

Because you don't need your organs after you are dead.

You cannot profit from your organs, as the buying and selling of organs is illegal in almost all countries.

You are dead and have no use for them.
Your family cannot profit from them, because organ trade is illegal.

Therefore there is no reason for your organs not to go to someone who can use them.

you want to play that card then fine with me

and what about the worms and beetles? they perform an essential function to keep the soil healthy allowing plants to grow (as well as being a food scource for birds) and help the cycle of life continue, they have a use for both the body and its organs, why is one terminally ill persons needs greater than the life cycles needs?

and you know, for all the talk about saving lives and value of life you pro opt out lot quickly become rather callous once a person is dead, its rather two faced and cowardly if you ask me

So wait because people don't care about signing up their liberty to choose should be taken away? that too is against the law

Your liberty to choose?
You are dead, you have no liberty.

On a different note.
Your quoting seems rather broken, it is getting a little confusing.

 

[probunk]

Of coure it shouldn't be goddamn mandatory. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. My body, my right to decide whether it will be used or not, and how it will be used. I don't care if it can help someone else, and yes, it is 'selfish', but you have no right to demand parts of my body from me.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

So you think people deserve to die if they cant afford your organs? You cant deny thats kinda sick. Being alive and having functioning organs should NOT require a price. Food should. Having a kidney that doesnt slowly poison you isnt a lot to ask for, and it shouldnt cost money.

I did not said the people who need them are to pay. I will not "donate" my organs just bcause my body stopped working. So if some docor from the nearest hospital comes up to my brother and says "So, we could need your sisters liver nd her heart.", thenhe better comes up with a nice bit of money for my family for them. A death int he family is costy enough without adding charity.

Of course you think like that. You've never had the fear of dying so you never know what it's like. People cannot understand each other until they experience each others suffering. If you felt what thousands of people are feeling everyday waiting for a heart or a liver you'd understand. As it stands, you're to selfish to give a shit which leads me to believe you're quite young and have never experienced or seen the hardships people go through everyday. I hope someday you'll feel what people waiting for organs feel everyday so you might better understand them. Until then, there's absolutely no reason discussing anything with you. You simply don't understand.

To be honest, I think I've found the perfect solution to organ donation. In order to receive medical treatment you'd have to be an organ donor. You're free to opt out at any time but the moment you do so your access to healthcare is denied. I find this a fare trade off.

 

[fer-]

It scares me how self-righteous so many of you lot are, how lordly you act deeming that people are dead and have no need for their organs, deeming that people are too stupid or too lazy to become donors on their own volition.

I have an idea, how about instead of you callously judging people as too ignorant to understand what is good for people, and forcing people to comply with your elitist belief...you channel that energy into educating people on the benefits of organ donation. Don't work against people, work with them to help society, don't twist society into something that removes liberties.

Donate your time to those organizations...they exist and even visit many public and private schools every year in this country.

Educate, don't dictate.

 

[Hiname]

Of course you think like that. You've never had the fear of dying so you never know what it's like. People cannot understand each other until they experience each others suffering.

Speak for yourself before making assumptions, thank you.

 

[The Lugz]

what's with the mad amount of communism that's appearing on the net recently?
my organs, they do not belong to the nhs, or the government or 'the people'
they be mine.

if i don't get cremated as per my instructions ill bend the universe to haunt the ass that desecrates my corpse!

 

[Zhadramekel]

I wouldn't exactly say it should be mandatory but they should make it so organ donation is assumed unless requested otherwise.