Should organ donation be manditory?

[Shio]

Trust me in emergency situations where they don't have time to test or simply don't trust testing your blood they'd just use my friends anyway.

What? Are you suggesting they'd give a different type of blood to someone in an emergency? I hope not. That would kill them and result in a murder charge.

 

[A Free Man]

Of course it should be.

Says the person with the user name "A Free Man" XD

Irony is awesome!

Haha good call. Just for future reference my name is actually a play on my surname and has nothing to do with the literal interpretation. Even so I enjoy a decent level of freedom in my life but once I am dead I won't care what happens to my body because I won't be able to care and so it might as well go towards a good cause.

 

[Shio]

Of course it should be.

Says the person with the user name "A Free Man" XD

Irony is awesome!

Haha good call. Just for future reference my name is actually a play on my surname and has nothing to do with the literal interpretation. Even so I enjoy a decent level of freedom in my life but once I am dead I won't care what happens to my body because I won't be able to care and so it might as well go towards a good cause.

Good is a subjective term. Don't force your ideals upon others.

 

[A Free Man]

Of course it should be.

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Good is a subjective term. Don't force your ideals upon others.

OK sorry for that, your totally right, we should just let thousands of people die because of a disagreement over the word good.

And besides I am not forcing anyone to do anything, I am merely saying that in my opinion it should be mandatory, obviously it would never be unless a vast majority of others agree with me in which case regardless of the its subjective nature it would be considered the right thing to do. If you do not like the concept of a majority determining what is considered right or wrong perhaps you would function better not living with other people, as that is essentially the only way to avoid that scenario.

 

[Shio]

And besides I am not forcing anyone to do anything, I am merely saying that in my opinion it should be mandatory.

I see... That's one interesting way of putting it.

"I'm not going to make you. But I would if I could."

 

[Vault101]

Personally i see organ donor(ing?) as a bit unneeded if we invested more in stem cell research we could just grow organs any way.


I would never donate my organs to anyone regardless if Im living or dead if they couldn't look after their own organs they can die just like very one else my organs are staying in me.

yeah....serves thoses sick people right! I mean who do they think they are? getting sick! fuck'em

in all seriousness..not all sickness is directly somones falut

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

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I'm just going to sum up my entire argument for you;

'DEAD people need NOTHING'

'Stop dwelling on things like money/food/shelter etc, they mean jack shit when you are DEAD'

'If you are ALIVE, donation of ANYTHING is down to you. However, If you are DEAD, it doesn't have to be up to you because you don't need anything anymore.'

 

[YunikoYokai5]

Organ donation can be a dodgy subjects at times. My will would say only my family get my organs if they need them (else cremate me), because I don't want to sustain someone who destroyed their liver (for example) through alcohol abuse only to destroy my own as well. That's my greatest fear. That you can't control who the organs go to makes me weary. Someone has kidney disease, fine, my kidneys were working before I died (maybe...). And before people say 'But you'll be dead!'. I'm one of these people who believe you spend some time in some sort of afterlife before getting reincarnated. During that time I also believe you can (opt-in ) watch life as it plays out. And if I saw someone wrecking my organs, I'd be heartbroken. Call my belief system anything you like, I don't care XD .

As someone said, the opt-out option is bad for babies, since they can't, unless the mother has the right to opt them out. It could possibly scar the mother for live to learn that her stillborn is going to be opened up to salvage its organs (of course, there will be some who say 'no problem') . Me, personally, I prefer the opt-in.

Now, in life, if my brother/mum/sister (My dad's is a different blood type so I can't donate to him) needs a kidney, I'll be first in the line. Family always comes first for me.

Also, if people are living to about the 100 age, won't their organs be weakened with time and be more likely to cause problems? I'm not in the medical field, so someone will have to tell me.

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

"no longer in anyone's possession"

You can't have them.
Family can't have them.
Government can have them.

Fuck you.

Sigh, oh dear....

YOU can't use them, you are dead.

YOUR FAMILY may need them, In which case I presume they would get first service.

THE GOVERNMENT will give them to somebody who can use them on account of the fact that they are not dead. (bare in mind that this could be a member of your family).

So no, I am not denying them to everyone, I am merely denying them to the dead because they no longer need them.

 

[Hugga_Bear]

I love the bullshit "THEY'LL KILL YOU FOR YOUR ORGANS!!!"
Yeah, so they're going to let you die or kill you in order to take your organs so they can...try and potentially save someone else's life?

I call retardation on that argument. My god.

It should be opt out, if you don't care enough then it's not gonna bother you, if you do care then you can...opt...out.

There's no logical reason for it to be opt in except to please the nutters who think we're gonna be cutting up 1 year olds.

 

[J3envolio]

I'd be in favor of making it mandatory. And having to opt out instead of volunteering your organs by way of the card.

I think I'm with you on this one. Personally I couldn't care less as to what happens to my body when I die anyway. I understand that it could be difficult for any living relatives of mine, but they'd need to understand that by donating my organs I'd be saving lives. Quite ironic really, I'll be able to save lives from beyond the grave.

As for making it mandatory, no. I think people should have to option to choose. I think the problem is that many people just can't be bothered signing up for organ donation so making it an opt-out situation would definitely get more people involved. And if people forget to opt-out, well that their fault.

 

[Twilight_guy]

No. There are several religions that do not believe in removing organs from the body and forcing people to be organ donators violates there ability to practice their religion.

 

[DonMartin]

I dont know about mandatory, but it should certainly be encouraged. I think a lot of people would, but they dont think about it or even realize it. Im sure there''s at least one person like this:

Me: "Hey, what do you think of organ donation?"
Straussie von Ribbenfraud: "I think it's great, I suppose. Why?"
Me: "Would you donate your organs when you die? I mean, youre not using them then, are you?
Straussie von Ribbenfraud: "Hm. Never thought about it. Sure, I suppose. Why not."
Me: "Goodie, old chum"

I cant see a reason not to donate either.

 

[Arehexes]

no, nor should it be opt out either for several reasons

1: it infringes on individual rights, personal choice and is unethical
2: there are far too many people on the planet at any rate (7 billion and rising)[/B]
3: why should someone who's specific organs are shutting down be more deserving of a second chance than anyone else who is terminally ill? and why should that be through taking someone elses organs?
4: the double standard/hypocrisy involved, as its essentially state sponsored and enforced grave robbing/organ trafficking
5: even if i am dead it's still my body and i want it to be treated with dignity, taking another persons property without their permission (regardless of whether they're living or deceased) is a crime, theft to be precise, and if we don't own our body what do we own?
6: makes no allowance for peoples religious or philosophical beliefs regarding maintaining the integrity of the body
7: is just plain arbitrary
8: it is never wise to make assumptions on someones part in regards to their final wishes that they may have not communicated prior to their demise, benefit of the doubt is key

Id be interested to see if you still had that attitude if you or somone close to you is slowly dying and waiting for a heart/kidney

also I think if you care so much about what hapens to your body after you die THEN you should make it very clear

otherwise...taking religion out of the equasion, your dead why do you care?

Here is what I said when we were talking about my grandmother "When it's time for her to go it's time to go, it's selfish for us to want to hold on to something when there is no chance of it getting better" (I said the same thing to my mom when we talked about what to do if she was in a state of no return, and that rule applies to me). Now you my say but a new organ can save the person, which is true. But what about everyone in the third world who can't even eat, or have clean water or even the medicine we use here. And even though I'm dead I would like to know I can give a final screw you to the world

 

[DonMartin]

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Just thought I'd welcome you to the Escapist, my good man. Stay out of the basement.

 

[Vault101]

no, nor should it be opt out either for several reasons

1: it infringes on individual rights, personal choice and is unethical
2: there are far too many people on the planet at any rate (7 billion and rising)[/B]
3: why should someone who's specific organs are shutting down be more deserving of a second chance than anyone else who is terminally ill? and why should that be through taking someone elses organs?
4: the double standard/hypocrisy involved, as its essentially state sponsored and enforced grave robbing/organ trafficking
5: even if i am dead it's still my body and i want it to be treated with dignity, taking another persons property without their permission (regardless of whether they're living or deceased) is a crime, theft to be precise, and if we don't own our body what do we own?
6: makes no allowance for peoples religious or philosophical beliefs regarding maintaining the integrity of the body
7: is just plain arbitrary
8: it is never wise to make assumptions on someones part in regards to their final wishes that they may have not communicated prior to their demise, benefit of the doubt is key

Id be interested to see if you still had that attitude if you or somone close to you is slowly dying and waiting for a heart/kidney

also I think if you care so much about what hapens to your body after you die THEN you should make it very clear

otherwise...taking religion out of the equasion, your dead why do you care?

Here is what I said when we were talking about my grandmother "When it's time for her to go it's time to go, it's selfish for us to want to hold on to something when there is no chance of it getting better" (I said the same thing to my mom when we talked about what to do if she was in a state of no return, and that rule applies to me). Now you my say but a new organ can save the person, which is true. But what about everyone in the third world who can't even eat, or have clean water or even the medicine we use here. And even though I'm dead I would like to know I can give a final screw you to the world

1. Im sorry I dont quite understand the conection your making to 3rd world countries, from what I can see this is an entirely different issue

2. so are you talking about the fact that your denying somone the gift of life a "screw you"?, thats not being whimsical or cool, thats just being a dick, its one thing to go out with a bang or insult the government or whatever you feel the need to hate, its another thing to laugh at the fact "I COULD save somones life, but screw the world! so no...hehehehe ho ho ho"

 

[Jewrean]

No it should not be mandatory. People have many reasons not donating their body parts. Among these are their culture / religion or quite simply being uncomfortable with the practice entirely. Yes, logically it's the right thing to do. But the human brain isn't always a logical thing and forcing something upon it that just doesn't feel right is fascism. Don't be a dictator. If people want to donate, good on them.

 

[A Free Man]

And besides I am not forcing anyone to do anything, I am merely saying that in my opinion it should be mandatory.

I see... That's one interesting way of putting it.

"I'm not going to make you. But I would if I could."

I don't know if you are familiar with the whole concept of quotes, but generally when you use a quote you have to actually quote what the person said, not make up your own interpretation of the wording. Like I said before, I am only putting forward my opinion, if that opinion is one that is generally shared by the population then I would assume that means it is a valid opinion, if not I am open to other reasoning but so far all you have done is isolate parts of my reasoning and attempt to discredit them in something that I can only assume is an attempt at humour. But going from one of your previous arguments how exactly do you think these issues should be handled?

Lets take murder as an example, I think the murder of other people (in general not for all specific cases) is wrong. Therefore I think that it is not good. But as you pointed out good is a subjective term and I shouldn't "force [my] ideals upon others". So what do you think should happen in this case, I keep quiet about my opinion and those that think murder is morally correct should be able to kill anyone they want?

 

[Arehexes]

no, nor should it be opt out either for several reasons

1: it infringes on individual rights, personal choice and is unethical
2: there are far too many people on the planet at any rate (7 billion and rising)[/B]
3: why should someone who's specific organs are shutting down be more deserving of a second chance than anyone else who is terminally ill? and why should that be through taking someone elses organs?
4: the double standard/hypocrisy involved, as its essentially state sponsored and enforced grave robbing/organ trafficking
5: even if i am dead it's still my body and i want it to be treated with dignity, taking another persons property without their permission (regardless of whether they're living or deceased) is a crime, theft to be precise, and if we don't own our body what do we own?
6: makes no allowance for peoples religious or philosophical beliefs regarding maintaining the integrity of the body
7: is just plain arbitrary
8: it is never wise to make assumptions on someones part in regards to their final wishes that they may have not communicated prior to their demise, benefit of the doubt is key

Id be interested to see if you still had that attitude if you or somone close to you is slowly dying and waiting for a heart/kidney

also I think if you care so much about what hapens to your body after you die THEN you should make it very clear

otherwise...taking religion out of the equasion, your dead why do you care?

Here is what I said when we were talking about my grandmother "When it's time for her to go it's time to go, it's selfish for us to want to hold on to something when there is no chance of it getting better" (I said the same thing to my mom when we talked about what to do if she was in a state of no return, and that rule applies to me). Now you my say but a new organ can save the person, which is true. But what about everyone in the third world who can't even eat, or have clean water or even the medicine we use here. And even though I'm dead I would like to know I can give a final screw you to the world

1. Im sorry I dont quite understand the conection your making to 3rd world countries, from what I can see this is an entirely different issue

2. so are you talking about the fact that your denying somone the gift of life a "screw you"?, thats not being whimsical or cool, thats just being a dick, its one thing to go out with a bang or insult the government or whatever you feel the need to hate, its another thing to laugh at the fact "I COULD save somones life, but screw the world! so no...hehehehe ho ho ho"

In response to 1:
The point was I can't really feel bad when little billy can't make it without a new kidney but besides that has the best medical treatment; while other countries as a whole can barely get food/water. Or maybe I'm off my rocker again, I don't know anymore

In response to 2:
Yep that's what I'm talking about plain and simple it's one big screw you to the world. But I am not doing it to be "whimsical or cool" it's just what I believe and how I want to live my life. Thanks though it feels good to be called a dick, and how is me hating man kind in general any different from me hating the government? It's my protest on how screwed up man kind has gotten.