Should organ donation be manditory?
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Well I know about organ donation I just don't wanna do it personally, and I know in your opinion a dead body is just a bag of dead meat (and personally I find that saying offensive to be honest, a person is a person even though I'm hateful to people haha), it's about piece of mind also. Some people want to know that they won't be used for something other then what is promised. But then again who knows, but from what you said about the bag of meat thing...kinda feels like your viewing people once dead as just trash that is re-useable and I don't like that honestly (again even though I'm hateful of people I don't feel the need to belittle a person's self worth). And if we have this forced opt-in where you have to opt-out it's gonna be viewed like that. If people were just a "bag of dead meat" why do we pay a butt load to bury them?Vault101 said:I'm actually for abortion, might seem hypocritical but I feel the need to draw the line somwhereArehexes said:Ok I'll let number 1 go then.Vault101 said:ok thenArehexes said:In response to 1:Vault101 said:1. Im sorry I dont quite understand the conection your making to 3rd world countries, from what I can see this is an entirely different issueArehexes said:Here is what I said when we were talking about my grandmother "When it's time for her to go it's time to go, it's selfish for us to want to hold on to something when there is no chance of it getting better" (I said the same thing to my mom when we talked about what to do if she was in a state of no return, and that rule applies to me). Now you my say but a new organ can save the person, which is true. But what about everyone in the third world who can't even eat, or have clean water or even the medicine we use here. And even though I'm dead I would like to know I can give a final screw you to the worldVault101 said:
2. so are you talking about the fact that your denying somone the gift of life a "screw you"?, thats not being whimsical or cool, thats just being a dick, its one thing to go out with a bang or insult the government or whatever you feel the need to hate, its another thing to laugh at the fact "I COULD save somones life, but screw the world! so no...hehehehe ho ho ho"
The point was I can't really feel bad when little billy can't make it without a new kidney but besides that has the best medical treatment; while other countries as a whole can barely get food/water. Or maybe I'm off my rocker again, I don't know anymore
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Yep that's what I'm talking about plain and simple it's one big screw you to the world. But I am not doing it to be "whimsical or cool" it's just what I believe and how I want to live my life. Thanks though it feels good to be called a dick, and how is me hating man kind in general any different from me hating the government? It's my protest on how screwed up man kind has gotten.
1. seperate issue, we cant fix all the worlds problems at once, and really if you have any issue simply pointing back to starving children in Africa isnt going to solve anything
2. this one actually gets me a little emotional so I'm going into full on rant mode here (as a warning)
for fucks sake mankind is not evil
no we arnt
theres just alot of us and most of us are good people jsut trying to get by, Id say at worst most of us can be apathetic
and "how fucked up mankind has become'? seriously? have we ever been LESS fucked up? this thing you called "fucked up" its called human nature
and It really reall fucking pisses me off the amount of people sitting on their high hoarse and talking about how evil man is, and so they take it as an excuse to be apathetic...or jsut plain sociopathic..the VERY THING they complain about
to deny a normal or even good everyday human being the gift of life because "I hate everyone because the worlds fucked up" THATS fucked up...in other words hypocritical
But lets get one thing straight, I am not on a high horse nor do I think I'm better for my choice (When I say man kind I include myself because my choices are selfish but that is a part human nature). I personally haven't denied anyone the gift of life because they were born nor can I since I can't give birth for being a male (you are thinking of abortion). Besides why give someone a gift of life because they choice to screw themselves up to the point where they need a new organ (and I'm not including those who are sick or terminally ill, that is in no why their fault). I could care less if you don't agree with me I gave my thoughts on the subject, and I'm not going to rant to someone on a computer. Besides what right do you have for making people have to give their organs (and the whole opt-out thing could be a problem when regulations make it hard to "opt-out"), it is their choice what they do with their body and they shouldn't have to go "Yeah let me opt out of giving away my organs". Only you have a say in what happens to your body, makes me sick when people want others to conform to what they feel is the right thing to do.
and yeah I gues people have their reasons
I just thourght of the Idea of waiting...and waiting...and waiting for an organ to save your life, and there being a shortage..not only for the reasons youve given but from lack of knowelge or people not giving it much thourght
and as for "well they screwed up their life" thing...its SO easy to judge people
also it doesnt matter, those people are near the bottom of the list anyway
I mean the way I see it (purley my opinion) is to me taking religin out of it...its almost incomprehensible to me why somone would care, if youre just a dead bag of meat in the end, once youre gone...your gone (plus I didnt think of it as harvesting..more a part of you will live on and enrich somones life)
ANYWAY please let me make it clear Im not using that as an argument, its just how I feel
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deathShio said:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brain+death
Being as the person still has vital functions, albeit supported by a machine, the wording is little more than spin.
In actuality, the person in question would be considered actually 'dead' at the cessation of all vital functions, heart beat and respiration included, at such a time they are incapable of donating in most cases.
I was saying you've failed to do the research, the dictionary confirms such.
Sorry, did you miss the part where death means you're dead?KosherKrackers said:
[You]: "Actually they can't take them when you're dead."
[Your link]: "Organs are only removed for transplantation after a person has died. Death is confirmed by a doctor or doctors who are entirely independent of the transplant team. Death is confirmed in exactly the same way for people who donate organs as for those who do not."
Interesting stuff!
Interesting sidestep as well, way to miss the point entirely and repeat the same thing.Shio said:
Useful as a parrot or a pseudo-intellectual, not as a tool of debate.
America, nay the world doesn't have a blood shortage...yeah and I'm Santa Claus; listen man, I don't know about America but most certainly here in UK there is a blood shortage I mean there are advertisements all over the place for blood donors and I would well believe the statistics that say 90% of people don't give blood as when I went into the blood donor in the town hall, it looked like a ghost town.NightlyNews said:America doesn't have a blood shortage. I'm AB+ my friend is O+ and gives all the time, but my blood is significantly less valuable and I get headaches every time I give blood.Ramin 123 said:Organs I'm not as sure about but when it comes to blood donation, it should be mandatory. I mean all that excuses I have heard are pathetic. I can't give blood because I'm Diabetic, yeah apparently I'm on the same category as someone with AIDS or something
Why in the hell should it be mandatory to take my significantly less valuable blood? Trust me in emergency situations where they don't have time to test or simply don't trust testing your blood they'd just use my friends anyway.
You obviously haven't been in hospitals too often to see the repercussions of peoples stupidity and lack on interest in donating a totally regenerative part of our bodies...I think you're kind of missing my point here completely, I get that some types of blood are "less valuable" than others, but even at that it's still ludicrous that in this country that has free health care that people wouldn't give back in one way or another.
You can tell me I'm having a rant and I'm narrow minded (which if you did I would laugh in your face) but as someone who's been in hospital plenty of times, I can appreciate the need for blood.
No hard feelings at all, you've proven nothing wrong, all you've done is reiterated something I've already demonstrated as inadequate and inaccurate in real terms, rather than legal ones.Shio said:
You're welcome to your bandwagon.
While I don't think it should be mandatory I think there should be some kind of reward or benefit for it.
I'm already signed up to be an organ donor and I'm basically doing it because I won't need them when I'm dead. However, I'd like to know that my donation can lead up to a death tax write-off or something for my family.
I'm already signed up to be an organ donor and I'm basically doing it because I won't need them when I'm dead. However, I'd like to know that my donation can lead up to a death tax write-off or something for my family.
first time i answered this question it was similar to this. When i am buried, i wish to be buries in one piece, whether my body is using thr organs or not, i wish to be buried in one piece.Hiname said:
That being said i was then attacked for about five pages on being a heartless bastard who didn't about other people's lives. So im gonna. Warn people now. This is my opinion. It is my right to choose and i chose not to be a donor. Call me selfish, heartless, whatever. I chose. Do not send me messages criticizing this choice.
That being said, the person i am quoting has a point. Monetary compensation for my next of kin would be nice, but i dont think i would say i feel it necessary
I'm not sure where you got that from, but you do seem to have a penchant for baseless suppositions.Shio said:
I stated early on that I'm all for organ donation, what I was perhaps not so clear on is that I think how it's presented is misleading to say the least, likely because it's a rather touchy subject.
Mandatory organ donation would be wrong as the psychological effects it could have on a family are rather far reaching.
Medically, legally, and for all intents and purposes, brain death is death, or at least they define it as such, but try explaining that to people of a non-medical background when there family member still has a clear heart beat, that this person will have to be wheeled out of the ICU with the machines supporting their vital functions, and shut down in some nondescript 'elsewhere' location, and that they cannot be there.
It's a remarkably clinical spin on something that is decidedly not clinical in nature, something I have attempted to outline, and that you have rather clumsily ignored despite my repeated elaboration and definition.
I adressed your comment, read the whole post rather than the first line, it helps sometimes.Shio said:
And nothing of value was lost.Shio said:
I went on to explain my stance, rather than riding a bandwagon, again, the whole post.
Not in the slightest bit.
Though I'd like to think more people should do it........ no one has the right to take body parts away from you without your consent, especially after death
Though I'd like to think more people should do it........ no one has the right to take body parts away from you without your consent, especially after death
She wants your organsArehexes said:I don't know about you but your avatar scares me with the subject of organ donating (Pinkie Pie's Smile is just to creepy for the subject matter at hand -_-badmunky64 said: