Should the atomic bombs been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

[hippo24]

I'm sorry, the Japanese showed time and time again that they were willing to die before they were willing to rationally surrender. it stemmed to the point that the Japanese were willing to throw their own men, armed with spears, at soldiers with automatic weapons, they were willing to place traps to kill soldiers in horrific ways, they were willing to throw waves of men on suicide missions, they were willing to use planes as human guided bombs, they were willing to march their POWs to death, they were willing to kill Philippine civilians to deny the Americans a victory, they were willing to die in dark tunnels, just to save worthless Islands. They were told, not to retreat to the homeland to ward off invasion, not to hold the enemy off to buy time, not to fight to defend their cities, but to kill 4 Us troops before they die.
After it became apparent that they were loosing, they began to not fighting a war to defend their homeland, but to fight a war against our troops. This means that they cared little for their people for their civilians for their economies for the families and children back on the main Islands. They were content and willing to sacrifice the security of the mainlands, In order to get revenge on troops.

You may say that this was a tactic to ward off the invasion, to coin the phrase "a good offense is the best defense" but it was most certainly not, because the American military strategies allowed for the mainlands to be attacked, even if their were pockets of resistance around that area. Even if the Japanese general had not known this, they left their "defending" force with willfully inadequate supplies.

If the process had continued the US would have had to genocide the entire population of many more Islands and have lost many US soldiers in the process.

 

[Shinny_Explosions]

In that case death and decay is all we have left to look forward to so why worry so much? If it happens there is not much we as servants to our respective governemts can do to say much other then we dissagree with their choice unless you seek to usurp your goverment, in which case I trully feel sorry for you!

 

[Shinny_Explosions]

the nuke has the lasting effect for generations. What makes it worse is that the next generation and the ones after continue to suffer from sickness and deformities.

Balderdash!

The nuke has no effect for anyone who was not physically present in the city when the bomb exploded.

Subsequent generations are just fine.

Actually there is evidence to both ends for the atomic radiation can enter the soil and poison the water and ground and for years mutating the children in the whomb, yet those are only found in very specific instances in which the expectant mother had ingested the contaminated water....

 

[The Black Adder]

Sure. If it never happened none of us would be here right now.

 

[oralloy]

the nuke has the lasting effect for generations. What makes it worse is that the next generation and the ones after continue to suffer from sickness and deformities.

Balderdash!

The nuke has no effect for anyone who was not physically present in the city when the bomb exploded.

Subsequent generations are just fine.

Actually there is evidence to both ends for the atomic radiation can enter the soil and poison the water and ground and for years mutating the children in the whomb, yet those are only found in very specific instances in which the expectant mother had ingested the contaminated water....

These were airbursts. The only people who received radiation injury from the bombs, got that injury directly at the moment of the explosion (and did not pass that injury on to subsequent generations).

 

[Virus017]

Japanese war movies portray them as such.

Methinks you need to reconsider your sources.

 

[Sindaine]

Yes, it was during World War two; that doesn't excuse the fact that they deliberately murdered civillians--and enjoyed it, if the documentary is to be believed. I don't trust our military as far as I can throw them....

 

[Shinny_Explosions]

the nuke has the lasting effect for generations. What makes it worse is that the next generation and the ones after continue to suffer from sickness and deformities.

Balderdash!

The nuke has no effect for anyone who was not physically present in the city when the bomb exploded.

Subsequent generations are just fine.

Actually there is evidence to both ends for the atomic radiation can enter the soil and poison the water and ground and for years mutating the children in the whomb, yet those are only found in very specific instances in which the expectant mother had ingested the contaminated water....

These were airbursts. The only people who received radiation injury from the bombs, got that injury directly at the moment of the explosion (and did not pass that injury on to subsequent generations).

That is not quite the case one was the other was a dirty bomb (yours) and another, in which it hit the ground....as for the radiation the one you are talking about it did affect the soil...the other hit and burn all in its blast radius including whole bodies only leaving chared places where the item/creature was standing. The dirty bomb is a bomb in which is made by using the spent "rods" from a nuclear reactor. There are now many forms one is a dirty (the one that North Korea is said to be trying to create using its spent rector rods) there is a Uranium bomb which leaves radiation all over, as does its other atoms "buddies" a.k.a. Neptunium & Plutonium. There is even a H-bomb that leaves no radiation....these are just a few that are in existance....long story short there is no use fighting over if it should have been done or not it was and that is what allowed the war to begin its end, Yes it was a war the was brutal and thanks to many of the German scientists that worked and learned durring that war we have better war planes and other mechanical utilities along with many other "World Powers" whom the scientists decided to work for after Nazi Germany fell. So in effect to battle over weither it was ethical or not is simply a waste of time and energy, the probelem now resideds in the need to keep those weapons from the groups of people in the world who will use them to force their views and opinions on others rather then as a means to wadge war....a.k.a. the terrorists groups of the world!

 

[Shinny_Explosions]

Actually, maybe it was wrong to say every Japanese movie but it's a general knowledge Japanese soldier would've been prepared to launch kamikaze attack if necessary and if I'm not mistaken Kamikaze is Japanese word.

Yes, it was during World War two; that doesn't excuse the fact that they deliberately murdered civillians--and enjoyed it, if the documentary is to be believed. I don't trust our military as far as I can throw them....

They deliberately murdered civillians and enjoyed it. I think that's the first time I heard it.

He is mistaken in the civilians except possibly on the Philippines, as for the enjoying it what they did was to decimate the dead bodies of their foes by beheading them then placing their genitials in the mouth and placing the head in the lap...They also made captured soliders do a death march and torture them the whole way any that fell behind were beaten then, murdered. Yet we must realize that this was durring a time iin which hate and blood ran amok. Even the United States wasn't completely without blame for they took any that had Japanese heritage and placed them in a "Re-location camp" or a place in the middle of the U.S. so they could not help their blood realities attack them.

 

[sooperg]

actually the crew of the Enola Gay( i know it's a funny name but try to be mature about it(they are also the plane the dropped the,as i so affectionately called it,the "fuck you" bomb)) were ashamed of what they did after they saw what the people looked like. they said looking at those people "was like looking into the Stygian depths." for all you non-college students, Stygian means torturous, hellish, an evil place.

 

[Shinny_Explosions]

the nuke has the lasting effect for generations. What makes it worse is that the next generation and the ones after continue to suffer from sickness and deformities.

Balderdash!

The nuke has no effect for anyone who was not physically present in the city when the bomb exploded.

Subsequent generations are just fine.

Actually there is evidence to both ends for the atomic radiation can enter the soil and poison the water and ground and for years mutating the children in the whomb, yet those are only found in very specific instances in which the expectant mother had ingested the contaminated water....

These were airbursts. The only people who received radiation injury from the bombs, got that injury directly at the moment of the explosion (and did not pass that injury on to subsequent generations).

I was trying to get to the point that not both were airbursts! There is still evidence as to show that one of them hit the ground and exploded!

 

[Imat]

I don't trust our military as far as I can throw them....

Now, that's just a worthless comment. First of all, you can't throw the military, don't think that you can. And if you fully realized that, you are terrible at this whole "nation" thing aren't you. Tell you what, go out and form your own country, but be sure not to give it a military. See how long you last. Make a science experiment out of it. Without some larger country coming to your aid you'll be integrated into another nation by the end of the day. Think real hard about which nation is the most expansionist right now, that may change your decision to split.

The real ignorance of that comment is the blanket nature of it. You don't trust a single member of the military? You especially distrust the president then. And what if one of your friends or family members joined the military, would you still distrust them? It's like careerism against the people who give their lives so that you can be careerist against them. It's people like you who are ruining the country, people who fight the people who give them the right to fight.

I'm not saying the military is perfect, far from it, but the fact that the people in charge make mistakes-A problem with all humans, including yourself-does not mean that the entire military is some sort of evil entity out to destroy your perfect world. Beating a dead horse here, but it's a perfect world they fight for you to have. So do us all a favor and stop being so...anti-patriotism. Have some pride. Show respect for your elders. Be kind to your neighbors. Spend all that money under your mattress. Support your government instead of condemning them at every turn. The government needs to be kept grounded, but this is ridiculous.

 

[Goldbling]

Yes.

...but consider this: would USA have dropped the Atom bomb on Germany if the war in Europe had lasted longer than the war in Japan? Because Germans are white, and Japanese are not, and considering the racism in '40s America, I think using it against white people highly unlikely.

If you known any better, The U.S. put Germans and Italians in the camps along with the Japanese. They also restricted the study of German as a language

 

[Goldbling]

Actually, maybe it was wrong to say every Japanese movie but it's a general knowledge Japanese soldier would've been prepared to launch kamikaze attack if necessary and if I'm not mistaken Kamikaze is Japanese word.

Yes, it was during World War two; that doesn't excuse the fact that they deliberately murdered civillians--and enjoyed it, if the documentary is to be believed. I don't trust our military as far as I can throw them....

They deliberately murdered civillians and enjoyed it. I think that's the first time I heard it.

yea Kamikaze is a Japanese word, I means "Divine Wind" not suicide bomber or whatever most people think

 

[Haiman]

Mass rape, mass murder, death march, unit 731, torture and murder of pow.
You would have such an enemy surrender on THEIR terms? If Nazi Germany and Japan were not beaten so completely and uterly, we would now live in a much darker world.

Oh, and Hirosima and Nagasaki are probably the only reason why Stalin didn't take the rest of Europe.

 

[goodman528]

Yes.

...but consider this: would USA have dropped the Atom bomb on Germany if the war in Europe had lasted longer than the war in Japan? Because Germans are white, and Japanese are not, and considering the racism in '40s America, I think using it against white people highly unlikely.

If you known any better, The U.S. put Germans and Italians in the camps along with the Japanese. They also restricted the study of German as a language

That's a very modern view of the war.

 

[goodman528]

Oh, and Hirosima and Nagasaki are probably the only reason why Stalin didn't take the rest of Europe.

The other reason being the Soviet union's unwillingness to wage war. Why do the west always see the Soviet Union as a warmonger? This is definitely the legacy of too much cold war propaganda. The SU was much more peace loving than the USA, as can be seen from the Korean war, Cuban crisis, U2 incident, and interventions in Africa and S America.

 

[Sindaine]

I'm sure there are servicemen and whomen who are perfectly nice people. They just have rifles and the authority to use them whenever and wherever they please. I get a bit leery of that is all.