Should the legal drinking age in America be 18?

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Raincloud

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Background: I lost 5 friends in high school to a drunk driver and 3 more to suicide because of the grief over the first five.

With that said, I still think the drinking age should be 18. After returning to college after X years, I see students right out of high school drunk all the time on campus. It's readily available to them no matter their age. Most of them drink because of the forbidden, rebel-esque attitude the most young Americans have. Of those students, 75% will flunk out of school. I think drinking should start at home and not out on the streets with people with the same lack of maturity. I blame the parents for not teaching their children about alcohol, it's effects, and responsibile consumption. But what do you expect in a society where children are raised on microwave dinners and McDonald's.
 

xxnightlawxx

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the main reason people drinko at such low ages is because they are nnot allowed now if they are allowed then they really dont drink like insane anymore unless they are alcoholic but really i dont drink so i dont care either way
 

Matronadena

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having lived in several nations with lower ages....I technically see no problems outside of one.

The U.S has not really reached a social maturity for it..

and thats not really a fault one can place on individuals alive " so-to-speak" thats more or less due to the puritan standards on which things were based, drink is a sin, it's bad, it's a taboo, we must hide it..

then that failed and marketing for booze to adults skyrocketed but they wanted to restrict it, which made it more of a shiney toy for kids.... and to be honest.. and not trying to be insulting " and remember I live in the states now"

The weakest parenting skills Ive EVER seen, are in the states, the kids get away with murder and parents freak out and pretend the kids not a terror, or sigh and go " oh he's such a free spirit"

so got a cultural taboo, mixed with generations that don't actually teach the kids enough and rely on school for it......yeah.. bad mix... so I say in time...just not yet.


but at the same time most teenagers CAN drink at home granted their guardian is there, and they do not leave the property ( though having a friend with you can be a Grey spot unless there is consent by said friends parent, then the above rules still apply) but I know thats not every state....I know it is " or atleast was " allowed in New Mexico when I was last there 3 years ago
 

TheEvilDuck

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I have heard that countries without a real established drinking age like Italy and France have lower instances of drunk driving and teens getting drunk and causing damage/killing themselves/injuring people and all that jazz. Which makes sense to me as they are used to drinking a little bit from a younger age, they're more likely to drink in moderation and it takes away the thrill of being a rebel.

I don't party so I don't know if my theory makes sense to hard drinkers but I don't think the drinking age is something people should obsess over. I remember it cost New Jersey's governor a lot when he suggested lowering the drinking age to 18. (Er, he also forgot the drinking age wasn't 18, but that's another story)
 

traceur_

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It's 18 in Australia and it does NOT work well, drinking tends to make young people into fuckwits so if anything raise the drinking age
 

Chinchama

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dragon_of_red said:
I thought of another thing, since its so easy for you all to get guns and such, would you really want even more hot headed gun weilding people out and about, 21 year olds seem to be more responsible than 18 year olds, and mixing guns in the equation just make it sound like Death is waiting...
Getting alcohol and being under 21 isn't normally an issue, everyone has a friend that knows a guy and etc. But the gun thing, not everyone is so gun crazy and wants to shoot people all the time. One of my friend's, when he lived at home, we would enjoy a drinkiasng with his parents occasionally. His dad owns upwards of 300 fire arms, all of which are in the house, and most are pretty easily accessed. However they aren't that big a deal.

The only time people are retarded with guns is if they don't understand the consequences. Being with my friend and another friend who is filthy rich and his father owns upwards of 600 guns, including 3 Barret 50 cals, good fun, but anyways being with them has drilled gun safety into my head. If you had an unloaded gun, with the magazine out, and the chamber showing and you still pointed the gun at someone, you are in to get your ass beat, even though there's no bullets. The only issue is when you have some dumbass off the side of the street walk into a store and buy a pistol.

You can still be drunk off your ass and know not to mess around with guns, it's really not that complicated and I'm sure most of us Americans can handle such a responsibility.
 

Dentedgod

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The drinking age doesn't stop anyone. I was buying 40s when I was 14. We don't need a drinking age, what we need is a parenting test that you have to pass before you are allowed to procreate. Part of that test would cover teaching your kids how to drink responsibly and in moderation.
 

Eclectic Dreck

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Not really, though to be fair there wouldn't be much of a difference. 18 year olds who want to drink still do. 21 year olds still drink to excess and do stupid things. No matter what the age limit is booze is going to destroy lives. Since people seem utterly unwilling to confront the simple fact that their kids ARE going to drink, there seems to be no reason to attempt to train them how to do so responsibly.

Everyone I know went through a period where booze was the most incredible thing ever invented, and it always took some degree of suffering for them to fine tune their consumption. Took me more than a handful of hangovers, one incident of reporting for duty (armY) still drunk (no consequences other than sorely regretting my poor decision while running) and one epic brawl before I tuned by drinking to acceptable levels (socially, and rarely to the point of significant intoxication - usually no more than a pint or two).
 

Rooster Cogburn

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This should be a state and local issue. The Fed should have nothing to do with it.

And 18 should be the age, because I don't think the 21 year limit effectively serves its purpose.
 

TheECP

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I think it's too late for that now. The immaturity involved around it is already there because it's something you normally can't have until you're 21. So the 18-20 years olds who drink, for the most part do it irresponsibly (the ones I know at least), making it legal just makes it harder for them to stop abusing it before they drive drunk and kill someone. The age limit is set and kids grow up used to that. An 18 year old drinker where it's been legal already will generally be more responsible than an 18 year old drinker where it was illegal to begin with, but then they lowered it.

And I'm 18.
 

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Here in Belgium drinking is allowed at the age of 16 and were doing just fine... But then again, in some US states you can start driving at the age of 16 while in Belgium it's 18 which might make it a dangerous combination.
American beer isn't that good anyways ;) So actually allowing them to drink from 21 is some kind of a favor.
 

NeoDeath90

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It doesnt really matter considering most teens who drink start drinking at a very young age anyway. Lowering the drinking age wouldn't make it illegal anymore, and therefore probably less of a thrill.

Still, if you're old enough to serve it, you should be old enough to drink it.
 

TheECP

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BudZer said:
Honestly, alcohol should be illegal, but I guess that didn't work before sooooo: instead of moving the drinking age down to match everything else, lets move the legal age for voting, being drafted and such up to 21.
That's what started organized crime in America, lol. Making things illegal that were legal before seems to be just as bad as making things legal that were illegal before, LOL.
 

Darkmark44

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18. The thing is, the more something is illegal, the more you want it, or most people want it. Its like taking a toy and placing it on the top shelf of some kid that goes nuts for it. One way or another, he will get it, but probably hurt himself in the process.
 

tabarnaque

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First post guys, sorry it it's a bit of a ramble.

First off, I think it's important to establish exactly what you mean by "drinking" age, and whether it should apply just to buying alcohol or to consumption period. Where I am in Manitoba (Canada), the age for buying alcohol is 18, the same as our age of majority. However, kids are allowed to drink in restaurants (but not pubs/bars) so long as their parents are with them, and drinking at home is outside the jurisdiction of the government, unless of course someone makes a noise complaint or something.
When I was in high school here our alcohol education focussed on safety and knowing your own limit - it was never suggested, not even by the most conservative of my teachers, that we not drink. The people supporting the current age of 21 seem to believe that millions of otherwise adult Americans are going to somehow just stay pious, toe the line and not touch a single drop of what their parents (before 1986) freely enjoyed. Is this not far too idealistic? If the law is there to be broken - particularly a piece of low-hanging forbidden fruit like this one - then people are gonna break it, and because no-one ever explained to them how to pace themselves or be just a tiny bit responsible, they are gonna overdo it and possibly put lives in jeopardy. I agree with those who say that education and upbringing is more important than neuroscience. Twenty-one is a completely arbitrary number, and for every study that pegs full development at Chosen Age of Responsibility x, there is another that puts it at Chosen Age of Responsibility y.
I don't want to jump on the anti-American bandwagon or anything, but the 18, 19 and 20 year-old Americans that come up here to go clubbing cavort around like 15, 16 and 17 year-old Canadians would, chugging stuff down like the Apocalypse is coming and acting like complete idiots. For us, we enjoy drinking, but the novelty factor is largely gone once you hit 18, and we enjoy drinking for what it is. Binge drinking is a problem here too, but it's much less significant as a major social ill. Does anyone remember really wanting to buy a game that was rated M/18+, and how it being forbidden just sweetened the deal? It's the same with any age-limited activity.

You guys are going in the right direction with the population density & DUI factor, but are a little off the mark in your comparisons between countries. Even though Canada as a whole has a way lower population density than the US because of our empty north, we a) live almost exclusively in cities, b) live at a higher population density in those cities, and c) are less dependent on our cars. Even in Winnipeg, the most driving-obsessed and spread out city in the country, only two thirds of driving-age people use cars to get around, and buses run late into the night. Because we live closer together, cab fares are cheaper, and people who are too drunk to drive but still making sense are less likely to go "ah screw it, I'm not paying ___, I'll just drive" (it happens, and when the bus isn't there are a backup it happens even more). If people want to get drunk and be idiots (legal or not), it's their right to do so and face the consequences, but it is not their right to threaten the safety of others.
In a way, the US is having to lie in the bed it made. By choosing to build a society post-WWII where everything is built with cars in mind, where every city has a million fat freeways cutting through it, and a person's usefulness to society is entirely dependent on having access to their own private car just to function in day-to-day life (even when they are a child!), it's very hard to prevent the more tragic outcomes. And it's hard to hand down the DUI penalties that should be handed down - losing your license, preferably for a good year or two - because taking away someone's privilege to drive for that long equates to complete house arrest. Up here, a yearlong license suspension is the minimum sentence for merely blowing over 0.08%, and three, five and ten year driving bans are not uncommon.

Leaving the drinking age at 21 is a misguided and ridiculous move that serves nothing except to delay the moment where the idea of drinking responsibly finally hits people upside the head, and puts others in danger for no good reason. Sure, car dependence doesn't help the situation either, but I think that the US should toughen up DUI enforcement and through responsible drinking education and a sane drinking age make the most at risk group - the people 18-20 - into less of a liability.