Should there be gun control in the United States
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A handgun was made for killin',
ain't no good for nothin' else.
And if you like to drink your whisky,
you might even shoot yourself.
Saturday Night Special, got a barrel that's blue and gold,
ain't good for nothin', but t'put a man six feet in a hole.
ain't no good for nothin' else.
And if you like to drink your whisky,
you might even shoot yourself.
Saturday Night Special, got a barrel that's blue and gold,
ain't good for nothin', but t'put a man six feet in a hole.
wait, if no one is allowed to have guns how do the criminals magically get them? Gun control in Canada is great and the homicide rate from Detroit alone, and this is homicide not just gun crimes, often approaches that of our whole country.addiction21 said:
It's firearm's homicides often surpass Canada's.
correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the average wealth in Switzerland very high? People who are well off have little need to forcefully take things from others.Ratman95 said:
The gun control issue is a perfect demonstration of the fact that one doesn't need to be religious to believe blindly. Despite the mountainous evidence, people are so eager to believe what their governments and media tell them that they'll surrender anything and everything.
If handguns or rifles are banned, I will own and use them illegally. I don't happen to live in California, where stricter laws (still not outright bans) are in place. But if I did, I'd break their law in the name of liberty.
If handguns or rifles are banned, I will own and use them illegally. I don't happen to live in California, where stricter laws (still not outright bans) are in place. But if I did, I'd break their law in the name of liberty.
1st the homicide rate in Canada is not because of gun control ,its because there is no inner cities(or not as many) with crackhead running around killing people to satisfy there addiction.
2nd criminals get guns the same way they get drugs and how they got booze during Prohibition, they brought it in from other countries(in the case of drugs, its Mexico).If people want something they can get it. Supply and demand.
3rd Canada does not have the same kind of smuggling America has from Mexico.
2nd criminals get guns the same way they get drugs and how they got booze during Prohibition, they brought it in from other countries(in the case of drugs, its Mexico).If people want something they can get it. Supply and demand.
3rd Canada does not have the same kind of smuggling America has from Mexico.
No, I don't think so. People determined to be whack-jobs will go out and procure arms illegally if they must, and in doing so, probably get their hands on more powerful stuff as opposed to what's already sold in stores. Tighter background checks, psyche checks and regulations are required.
I live in California, a state bearing some of the strictest gun laws in the US, and shootings are still going to be common in economically depressed areas whether guns are totally banned or not.
I live in California, a state bearing some of the strictest gun laws in the US, and shootings are still going to be common in economically depressed areas whether guns are totally banned or not.
I have got to ask this. Do you really think that someone who intends to break (and do so violently) is going to care that the gun they are carrying is illegal?addiction21 said:
I would also like to point out that banning firearms will not make them simply disappear. Banning them would only create a more profitable black market for them, and there will still be arms companies churning them out every year. It would also be incentive for people to make them and sell them illegally. Any schmuck with access to a machine shop can easily make a semi-auto (or automatic since they are actually easier to make) rifle or pistol.
Another couple of reasons for Canada's lower violent crime rates when compared to the U.S.:
1. Relatively low population density; especially outside of the large cities.
2. Lower population. Last time I checked, Canada had a population around 30 million. The population of the U.S. is somewhere around 300 million. That's 10 times the population of Canada! Canada has fewer people, and they aren't packed nearly as close together. This usually results in lower crime rates.
tsb247 said:
Rage... building... Addiction21 needs to read my (first, i think) post. Good lord people are ignorant. Does ANYONE on this forum actually think that criminals, hitmen, mafia members, drug lords down to the dealers, purchase things legally? And if you do, are you dense? are you retarded or something? I don't mean to be mean or cruel, but seriously, wake up. Yes, it is true that people do buy gun legally from gun shops and go on killing sprees and rob banks. However, there is a HUGE underground network of illegality that spans the globe. How do drug dealers get drugs? how do they also get their weapons to protect the drugs? there's a Black Market for EVERYTHING.
Let me just show everything this. This is an email I recieved a couple days ago, and I support it.
"A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet
Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Germany established gun control in 1938
and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were
unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
---------------------------
China established gun control in 1935.
>From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
------------------------------
Guatemala established gun control in
1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
-------------
Uganda established gun control in 1970..
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Cambodia
established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated
people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
-----------------------------
Defenseless people rounded up and
exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
------------------------------
It has now been 12 months since gun
owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal
firearms to be destroyed by their own
Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2
percent.
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6
percent.
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up
44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone,
homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the
law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals
still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years
showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed
drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed
that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase
in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a
loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental
effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society
of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above
prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or
hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens
save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only
the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow
Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of
gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'.
Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to
invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread
this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There
is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the
shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT
TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN
RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANYCIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE
MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING
CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward."
It's crazy how the government (and some American citizens for that matter) just can't seem to see the sense in this.
"A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet
Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Germany established gun control in 1938
and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were
unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
---------------------------
China established gun control in 1935.
>From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
------------------------------
Guatemala established gun control in
1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
-------------
Uganda established gun control in 1970..
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.
------------------------------
Cambodia
established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated
people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
-----------------------------
Defenseless people rounded up and
exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
------------------------------
It has now been 12 months since gun
owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal
firearms to be destroyed by their own
Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2
percent.
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6
percent.
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up
44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone,
homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the
law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals
still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years
showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed
drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed
that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase
in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a
loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental
effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society
of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above
prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or
hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens
save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only
the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow
Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of
gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'.
Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to
invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread
this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There
is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the
shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT
TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN
RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANYCIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE
MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING
CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward."
It's crazy how the government (and some American citizens for that matter) just can't seem to see the sense in this.
Though it's not lying, because of the long block of capital letters in the end and the clear nature of this being a chain mail note, it's highly doubtful the people who ought to listen to it actually would.Berithil said:
It takes a very demagogic, fear-mongering stance and thus will naturally convince people who aren't already in agreement with the email that the writer is a nutjob. That's never a good way to add to a discussion, sadly.
As for the issue of gun control. *ahem*
Switzerland has a full citizen militia which, by its nature, requires everyone to be armed. They happen to have a pretty low gun crime rate, too. Perhaps it's a cultural thing.
All I can say is this:
We Americans are a violent lot. Not as violent as certain knife-toting Brits, but violent enough that the world generally thinks of us when they think of brutish barbarians. If you take away Americans' guns, that's not going to change. Might as well start taking away our cutlery while you're at it--don't underestimate our ability to go out of our way and hurt people. Sometimes for no reason. We're quite good at it.
Don't ban guns, that would be stupid. Instead, allow guns IF you go through training, screenings, and are registered with a militia, along with renewals. You wouldn't need waiting periods anymore since you would have a card that say's you can handle a gun. You would also have a process so people who legally own guns are responsible and well trained. And it would be following the actual meaning of the second amendment, which is the right of the people, in a collective sense, to have an armed militia. That part about a well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state is there for a reason, guy's.
Also, for those who think of gun's as a reset button to keep the government from getting out of control, that logic might have worked several decades ago. The military as strong as it is, civilian gun's aren't going to help you now. The "reset button" argument would only work if people could own nukes and other heavy military equipment, and that would be much more bad than good.
Also, for those who think of gun's as a reset button to keep the government from getting out of control, that logic might have worked several decades ago. The military as strong as it is, civilian gun's aren't going to help you now. The "reset button" argument would only work if people could own nukes and other heavy military equipment, and that would be much more bad than good.
In that link talking about school shootings on the first page. What bugs me most is the first comment blaming schools for lack of security.
Right to bear arms? For what purpose? For what possible purpose would an average american living in the city want a gun for? They aren't going hunting anytime soon. Self defence? Whatever happened to a lock on the door and a blunt object?
The UK has the strictest gun laws in the world, and yet. Nobody really cares for guns over here. When you dangle something in front of a childs eyes, he wants it. When you tell them they can't have it. They want it more. Never show a child something, and they never even think about it.
Right to bear arms? For what purpose? For what possible purpose would an average american living in the city want a gun for? They aren't going hunting anytime soon. Self defence? Whatever happened to a lock on the door and a blunt object?
The UK has the strictest gun laws in the world, and yet. Nobody really cares for guns over here. When you dangle something in front of a childs eyes, he wants it. When you tell them they can't have it. They want it more. Never show a child something, and they never even think about it.