Should you be allowed to kill children in games?

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GotMalkAvian

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I'll start by admitting that I don't see children as particularly sacred, so I tend to hold atrocities against them on par with atrocities against any other human being. That being said, if a game allows for slavery, forced prostitution, drug use and abuse, robbery, and cold-blooded murder, why shouldn't harming children be included?
I know the Fallout 3 example has been thrown out quite a few times before, but it bears repeating. The team behind Fallout 3 did a pretty good job of allowing the player the freedom to be as good or evil as they wanted, and that freedom extended to killing pretty much anyone in the world except for necessary plot characters... and kids. This wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't populate an entire town with particularly mouthy and grating kids. Now, if anyone else in the game spoke to the player like that, the option is given to respond with a bullet to the face. By not having that option in Little Lamplight, much of the immersion and feeling of freedom in the world was lost.
Oh, and no one else has mentioned nuking Megaton. It's implied that everyone in Megaton (except for one person) dies in the blast, including at least two kids.
Now, let's move on the a game like GTAIV. The development team behind that game decided that they didn't want to deal with the controversy of killing kids, so they made the simple design choice to completely remove them from the game. I actually really like that decision. By not dangling something in front of my crosshairs that I can't actually shoot, my sense of immersion is kept intact. Maybe more game developers need to think about consistency in their game worlds. If part of the story you want to tell will compromise the player's sense of immersion, then you either need to re-write the story or re-evaluate how dedicated you are to keeping the player immersed in the world.
 

ZippyDSMlee

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VikingIncogneto said:
If it has something behind it like a plot device sure. But you shouldn't be allowed to just randomly stab any kid you see.
Then you should not be allowed to kill any one at all other than the defined bad guys who always strike first.....
 

Mechsoap

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if it fits the story, but still it would be a lot of controversy, but its what kind of children mostly, fallout 3 children who annoy the shit out of people: please do, becouse it would fit the story well instead of just having in the end a wasteland filled with super mutants and immortal kids...

for like postal and such, its maybe not as good
 

Ensiferum

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Yes so as not to break immersion, especially if you're playing as an evil character; but it should have severe consequences in the game that would make you think twice before doing it.
 

Tfirmin002

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despite being only a kid myself... almost every kid i know [besides my friends] is a complete dick... they smoke, drink and swear... then think there cool for it!

little kids are almost worse... i hate the way they think there old or smart... but i guess you can't blame them for that... i mean there just kids... [and i think i keep putting in the wrong "there"]

either way yes...
 

The Electro Gypsy

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There's no reason why we shouldn't be able to really, it all comes down to the player in question. If they want to be a sadistic evil whatsit, then they should be allowed to be so as far as they want, if they don't, then they won't kill the kids and it's all good and stuff.

The choice should be there, since our minds shouldn't be made up for us. But hey, at least companies nowadays aren't doing what Interplay did with Fallout 1+2 and just take the image of the kids out but leave in all the questd and weird floating speech anymore :p (Children patch 4tw. If you killed kids in FO 1 + 2, it had an affect on how you were treated for the rest of the game. Most people hated you, but the evil people sometimes liked you a bit more I believe)
 

The Electro Gypsy

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Tfirmin002 said:
despite being only a kid myself... almost every kid i know [besides my friends] is a complete dick... they smoke, drink and swear... then think there cool for it!

little kids are almost worse... i hate the way they think there old or smart... but i guess you can't blame them for that... i mean there just kids... [and i think i keep putting in the wrong "there"]

either way yes...
Yeah you did, as I was reading it the Grammar Nazi in me was screaming, but oh well :p

And yeah, couldn't agree with you more, they get more arrogant with each generation, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you should shoot them.... (although I did try and kill thgat McCreedy and the Princess midget several times :p)
 

DeadEy3

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Allowed to make a game in which you can... sure... limbo is great...

but if i was playing GTA4 and ran over a baby carriage... i'd kinda not like it...
 

Darzen

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Hmmm killing smaller cuter versions of pre-existing NPC characters?i don't see why not.i think you could kill childeren in Fallout2
 

DeadEy3

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DeadEy3 said:
Allowed to make a game in which you can... sure... limbo is great...

but if i was playing GTA4 and ran over a baby carriage... i'd kinda not like it...
That's implying that you feel good running over random pedestrians on the curb. If anything, this would make you feel a little more for the people, wouldn't it?
I don't want to feel for vertices... am i being racist? :p
 

kotorfan04

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I think it should be allowable but it should have serious as hell ramifications, like instead of your karma meter going into the crapper have EVERYONE in the city try to kill you, and have them get a nice rage buff too. Then make the only way to atone be going on a lengthy as quest that yields zero xp, or sacrifice several levels and valuable items. Ya know actually punish the player for being a complete ass.
 

Hawk eye1466

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yes we should if we can run over and shoot young old and and any kind of ethnicity of adult why not a kid yes it sounds awful but this is a game and games should evolve if people didnt push the limits of what was socially acceptable then a lot of things that are common place today wouldnt even exist i think you should be able to besides people of all ages are killed every day its not good but that number wont increase because kids die in games
 

Miffmoff

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God no, dead children are some of the most disturbing things ever. Games like Metro 2033, specifically the chapter called "Ghosts" and the scene in 9 when 9 looks into the car to see a dead woman and a dead child in her arms (from the 5 o'clock position) are moments that have deeply disturbed me, its the one thing that you just can't desensitize yourself about