Everyone can relax; I have the ability to talk to animals. They all told me they actually love getting killed and turned into food for humans, and they wish humans would stop trying to impose their own morals on them. They also wanted me to ask why this topic keeps coming up again and again when it is entirely opinion-based, and the two sides are NEVER going to agree.
Should you feel guilty for eating meat?
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To respect the ways of nature we must treat all food sources with dignity. Animals and plants both have life in some form. So long as we take what we need, respect where our food comes from, and remember that we are also part of the food chain than it is fine.
I can eat the deer so long as the lion can eat me. It is a natural chain that connects us all, and we must treat it accordingly, with reverence and humility.
I can eat the deer so long as the lion can eat me. It is a natural chain that connects us all, and we must treat it accordingly, with reverence and humility.
Plants react to physical stimuli the same way any other organism does, they just don't have similar methods of communicating it as we see with animals.
Humans eat meat. This is indisputable fact. It's what our appendix was for. Some critical B-vitamins in the human diet can only come from meat sources. A major evolutionary advantage that favored humans to the savanna we first grew up in was the simple fact that while not the fastest animal, or the best protected, humans were capable of extreme endurance.
So no, eating meat is nothing to feel guilty about. At the moment the US can still get away with stupid frequencies of protein consumption up shooting 200% of what you realistically need in a day, but some day in the coming centuries as human populations continue to grow and arable land deceases sources of meat that are inherently inefficient (its something like 4 pounds of grain spent per pound of cow- and we don't even eat the whole thing) are going to become much more luxury items than anything else.
Humans eat meat. This is indisputable fact. It's what our appendix was for. Some critical B-vitamins in the human diet can only come from meat sources. A major evolutionary advantage that favored humans to the savanna we first grew up in was the simple fact that while not the fastest animal, or the best protected, humans were capable of extreme endurance.
So no, eating meat is nothing to feel guilty about. At the moment the US can still get away with stupid frequencies of protein consumption up shooting 200% of what you realistically need in a day, but some day in the coming centuries as human populations continue to grow and arable land deceases sources of meat that are inherently inefficient (its something like 4 pounds of grain spent per pound of cow- and we don't even eat the whole thing) are going to become much more luxury items than anything else.
Oh look, it's this thread again. I guess it was due for its fortnightly appearance.
Alright, let's check the list.
-People making absolutely stupid arguments on both sides...check.
-Everyone disagreeing and eating whatever they want...check.
-Nothing coming out of the discussion that we haven't seen before...check.
Yep, always good to see this one.
Alright, let's check the list.
-People making absolutely stupid arguments on both sides...check.
-Everyone disagreeing and eating whatever they want...check.
-Nothing coming out of the discussion that we haven't seen before...check.
Yep, always good to see this one.
Oh please, are you actually trying to say that you can't state which life is more valuable than others? Bacteria are living, tiny organisms that you're killing probably millions of a day. I'm pretty sure that most people would make a distinction between that and an animal dying.jboking said:
Also, pain and suffering doesn't have solely to do with how painful your death is. Plenty of these animals are kept in confined areas and pumped with hormones for their entire lives. If you've ever owned a pet imagine them being in situations like that. Pigs are pretty intelligent animals, so you've got something around the same level of intelligence as a dog or cat being kept in conditions like that for their entire lives.
Having a reaction to physical stimuli and having a BRAIN is a huge difference. The difference being one is actually capable of experiencing pain while the other just has an automated response.acosn said:
I forget who it was, but someone had a very good response to this a couple pages ago. He brought up the Naturalist Fallacy which has to do with the assumption that just because something's natural means that it's right.acosn said:
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Here it isAl Baker said:
The simple answer that I tend to give is that eating meat and other byproducts of slaughter isn't necessary.
As proved by the fact I'm still alive after ten years of vegetarianism, and the fact the OP didn't eat meat until his late twenties. And in fair shape.
Since I don't have to eat that stuff, I choose not to.
For various reasons. Environmental. Ethical.
As proved by the fact I'm still alive after ten years of vegetarianism, and the fact the OP didn't eat meat until his late twenties. And in fair shape.
Since I don't have to eat that stuff, I choose not to.
For various reasons. Environmental. Ethical.
I eat meat. We raise and keep animals. We hunt. We kill animals for their meat. It's very natural, and the animals live good, comfy lives by all accounts.jboking said:
In Vitro Meat is, in short, a horrible abomination. Well beyond the fact that it's a bit too costly, I think it's a complete and utter idiocy. It's a new dimension in overcomplicating things, and I have severe issues with it. I like Tofu or other "ersatz" sources of good nutrients, but In Vitro Meat is even more bollocks than, say, Quorn, which consumes way too much power to basically just grow mold in vats. With lifestock, you have living creatures around you that open your horizon to other ways of living, other ways of perceiving things. In the meat industry, I think it's important to have someone like Temple Grandin around, and people are becoming aware of how certain things are inacceptable and suck beyond all the nasty and gory descriptions.
I think what is most important in this chapter of your argument is this: In Vitro Meat is not, it's declared concept is that it would be this and that. I personally think it's a complete waste of everything, and an unnatural abomination.
Humans are only omnivores because they can think.s28 said:
A human who solely eats vegetarian will become weaker and sick eventually a not well planned vegetarian diet will kill you.
Humans are meant to eat meat so it's justifiable in that alone.
Take a good look at the vegetarians you know in europe most of them are pale and a lot of them need to take supplements to stay healthy?
Supplements, you can see it in the word itself.
It's supplying something you're not getting somewhere else as a vegetarian.
I can deal with vegetarians who are vegetarian because of animal cruelty, but people who think eating meat is not "justifiable" need to get off their high horse and look into some decent biology.
Originally plants made us sick but we adapted to them.
Basically a vegetarian is poisoning himself (He is susceptible to diarrhea, paleness, Iron and other deficiencies in the blood. and more)
Do you take supplements or have any health issues (And when I say ANY I really mean ANY)thylasos said:
If apples screamed in pain every time I started slicing their skin, I might feel a little bad. But then I'd forget about it when their screams died away, and I'd eat that fucking apple.
Hey, it's the apple's fault. He couldn't run away fast enough.
Hey, it's the apple's fault. He couldn't run away fast enough.
Not sure how to interpret what you went for there.Kuroneko97 said:
We have apple trees, as in we own them. We didn't put them there, the old folks say some students rented a room some thirty or fourty years back, and they had the bad, bad habit of spitting out the seeds in the back yard. So we got apple trees now.
I think it's wonderful to see apple trees just outside your home when you wake up and manage to catch the sunrise moment, with the light coming through the branches and leaves.
We free the trees from strangling, parasitic vines. We help them when insects of all sorts give them a hard time. We would be willing to help them if some other lowly critters or things were to try to infest them and do them harm. Right now, I'm looking at one of those trees, and it's only a month or two now before those apples turn golden and red and sweet. All in all, we spend an average ten hours working on/for those trees. We get free apples in return. I like that. And I like to have the children understand that throwing stuff away in nature is only OK when it's bits of nature, such as seeds or minimal amounts of waste. No plastic, no metal, no painted stuff. They seem to understand that very easily, as they really like apples.
We always leave some fruit to rot on the ground, as the ground seems to like it, and the wasps really go for it, leaving us mostly alone in return.
It's not about running away. Some of the animals that are to be hunted as long as they keep breeding merrily as they do are really, really quick and we wouldn't stand much of a chance in a hand-to-hooves/teeth combat. We have big brains to enable us to solve problems, not keep coming up with new ones.
Nothing wrong with eating meat. I hunt and fish every opportunity I get so in a way I feel as if I have a deeper and more profound respect for the animals I hunt. Does that mean I am against buying it in the store? No. I often buy steaks from the store but I always have something I got as a side and for really special dinners I try to get local seasonings to go along with the wild game (morel mushrooms, watercress, wild rice etc.). I also make sure I can use everything I can off of the animals I kill. Very little goes to waste, the hides go to the local native tribes (Ho Chunk mainly) and they make them into gloves, bags, and traditional clothing and the extra meat either gets frozen or donated to food pantry's.
In what other country do the homeless have the opportunity to get prime cuts of venison and game birds like pheasant and grouse?
Its important to note that I only donate to food pantry's where people are actively trying to get jobs. Some people need help while others don't need another crutch to lean on (IMHO).
I would also like to point out that hunting has nothing to do with finding pleasure in killing. I still find that difficult. It has much more to do with providing low cost food along with wildlife management. Look up CWD in Wisconsin or watch the documentary "Pig Bomb" and you'll understand why its so important why hunting is so important in the U.S.
I also do a lot of volunteer work with the DNR in my state and with Pheasants Forever & Ducks Unlimited. They basically help set up habitats and educate people on how to responsibly harvest said animals.
Did you know that a percentage of every hunting gun purchase goes to set up wildlife preserves to help ensure a steady recharge of the population every year? That has done more to bring back the deer population in the state of Wisconsin in the last 3 years than PETA has done in 20.
Chronic Wasting Disease info
http://www.cwd-info.org/
Wild/Feral pigs
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wildlife/publ/wlnotebook/pig.htm|
I'm not saying that EVERYONE should hunt, or eat meat. That's as stupid as wanting to force everyone to eat vegetables. Nobody can win those arguments. Eating plants and or animals is an act of nature and a fact of life and chances are nobody is going to convince anybody else of their views because very few are willing to examine both sides of the argument. All I'm doing here is explaining why, and how I eat meat and why its so important to me, and my culture as a whole.
In what other country do the homeless have the opportunity to get prime cuts of venison and game birds like pheasant and grouse?
Its important to note that I only donate to food pantry's where people are actively trying to get jobs. Some people need help while others don't need another crutch to lean on (IMHO).
I would also like to point out that hunting has nothing to do with finding pleasure in killing. I still find that difficult. It has much more to do with providing low cost food along with wildlife management. Look up CWD in Wisconsin or watch the documentary "Pig Bomb" and you'll understand why its so important why hunting is so important in the U.S.
I also do a lot of volunteer work with the DNR in my state and with Pheasants Forever & Ducks Unlimited. They basically help set up habitats and educate people on how to responsibly harvest said animals.
Did you know that a percentage of every hunting gun purchase goes to set up wildlife preserves to help ensure a steady recharge of the population every year? That has done more to bring back the deer population in the state of Wisconsin in the last 3 years than PETA has done in 20.
Chronic Wasting Disease info
http://www.cwd-info.org/
Wild/Feral pigs
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wildlife/publ/wlnotebook/pig.htm|
I'm not saying that EVERYONE should hunt, or eat meat. That's as stupid as wanting to force everyone to eat vegetables. Nobody can win those arguments. Eating plants and or animals is an act of nature and a fact of life and chances are nobody is going to convince anybody else of their views because very few are willing to examine both sides of the argument. All I'm doing here is explaining why, and how I eat meat and why its so important to me, and my culture as a whole.
"most" of the way we kill our meat is humane so no, i dont feel bad when eating meat. i feel bad for the animals while their alive in those tiny hamster cages treated like shit. if i could afford organic free run meat, god damnit i would 
i get the eggs though
just think of it this way, go watch how animals kill for food, its certainly not a bullet to the temple for (cows) or a shock to the heart for (pigs), its painful and slow, most of them are alive while being eaten, not fun for the prey, we're nice the way we kill them in comparison. i do have one rule for me personally, i refuse to eat anything cute. im happy with only eating chicken, pork and very rarely beef, it gives me a tummy ache anyways.
Nature is cruel.
i get the eggs though just think of it this way, go watch how animals kill for food, its certainly not a bullet to the temple for (cows) or a shock to the heart for (pigs), its painful and slow, most of them are alive while being eaten, not fun for the prey, we're nice the way we kill them in comparison. i do have one rule for me personally, i refuse to eat anything cute. im happy with only eating chicken, pork and very rarely beef, it gives me a tummy ache anyways.
Nature is cruel.
Answer to the question is no.
Chicken, pork, beef, horse meat or fish, its all good. Just don't kill it yourself, and try to sell it yourself, unless you own a farm or butchers. Lol.
Should you feel guilty for letting good meat go unused and rot? Yes, make sure you use it or lose it.
Do you know what happens when you don't milk a cow? If you do, that's a good reason to drink milk.
If we don't eat certain animals etc, the maggots and flies surely will. Just don't eat them all at once, that they go extinct.
Chicken, pork, beef, horse meat or fish, its all good. Just don't kill it yourself, and try to sell it yourself, unless you own a farm or butchers. Lol.
Should you feel guilty for letting good meat go unused and rot? Yes, make sure you use it or lose it.
Do you know what happens when you don't milk a cow? If you do, that's a good reason to drink milk.
If we don't eat certain animals etc, the maggots and flies surely will. Just don't eat them all at once, that they go extinct.
Should a bear feel guilty for eating my moms ex-boyfriend? I think your answer lies somewhere in that sentence.
I like eating meat and I don't think that will change, it might I don't know, but I always feel bad eating lamb :'(
Sure, nature is cruel, and so are many things in life. People are cruel to each other all the time, but still find time to help and stroke animals. If we applied that same kind of treatment to all people first, we probably wouldn't have any pointless wars, poverty and hunger.
Do you want to give up, because nature doesn't hide behind a flag of being humane.
Its funny, because when a dog or bear attacks someone, that's actually in their nature to do so. Funny thing is, our view would be they are dangerous and there's something wrong with them, and put them out of their misery.
Hurrah for being human, and destroying all we survey.
Do you want to give up, because nature doesn't hide behind a flag of being humane.
Its funny, because when a dog or bear attacks someone, that's actually in their nature to do so. Funny thing is, our view would be they are dangerous and there's something wrong with them, and put them out of their misery.
Hurrah for being human, and destroying all we survey.