Should You Have to Get a License to Raise Children?

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PunkyMcGee

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Malyc said:
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tomtom94 said:
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In an idealistic society only the genetically perfect would be allowed to raise children.

As soon as you start putting any limits whatsoever on who can breed you start on the slope towards that.
I say let social Darwinism continue running its course for now.

However, to control overpopulation (by far the biggest problem), I maintain there should be a one child per person limit. When your child is born, you declare if it is born for you or your partner. So one couple can have two children but if the father remarries he can only have one more with any new partners he has.

It would mean that the population could not increase. How it would be enforced, however, I don't know.
since when is overpopulation a problem is the western world?
The high population of the western world and the expected high standard of living is causing repercussions the world over.
There's homelessness and poverty over here too.
that may or may not be true be true but the fact remains that putting a limit on children is never going to fly (in the US anyway). also the financial problem is not do to the population it's do to greed, (the rich get richer am i right). and if what you say is true the overpopulation problem will fix itself do to famine and illness (that's dark i know but that's how nature works).
The rich may get richer, but that was because they were smart enough to save their money. I'll be damned if I'm going to feel good about the government using my hard earned money to give to people who don't want to get a job. I work for my money, and I pay my taxes.

Also, greed is the main driver of the society we have today. If there was no greed, no one would be able to go to the restaurant and buy a hamburger. The restaurants exist because someone thought "hmmm, people need to eat, so if i made them food, and they paid for it, i could be able to live on the income."
I have a job as well but that doesn't make me rich i work hard so my company makes more money to save (i prefer the word horde), while i make minimum wage and I've been at my current job for 3 years. and i can't afford rent so i live at home, and can't afford a car so i take the bus. i think that since i work at a multi-billion dollar corpeation (that will remain nameless). they could afford to pay me a livable wage.
now i'm not putting down capitalism, it creates incentive, but it's how the upper 2% handles their money
 

Kalahee

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There is many peoples that have their license and are still bad driver. What to do as a parent isn't that hard, it is to do so that seems to cause a problem with most.

I am parent, I don't consider myself a bad parent... but wouldn't say good either. Maybe too young and still have a lot to go throught before I would consider the subject and had them for the wrong reason, to please my girlfriend [family wise, and else]. BUT, just as much BUTT I can be when I heard crying for 5 hours straight, I can change diapers, cook diner, give bath... last two I hardly do for myself, first about to come. BUT AGAIN, I sometimes just can't think anymore and glare at my computer screen till the crying stops... then I get worried.

So far, nothing really bad happened. My son is healthy, my daughter had three fall where she had some Breath-Holding Spells (crying till breathless and faint), I can tell how freaky it is to be holding a seemly lifeless baby body in your arm. Third time I wasn't as concerned, but still worried. She'll faint, but by doing so stop crying and start to breath, of course hold her so she don't hurt herself. Kids are rough and I won't be bubble-wrapping my house, just make sure the sharper stuff is out of reach.

To me, watching kids play is still a chore, so I need entertainment before I go to bed myself and doing so still take part of my attention. I can't always stop my kids from falling, hurt themselves, throw stuff at each other or cry. Best you can do is at least make sure they are in the same room... harder to do when you have to cook dinner and don't want them to be stabbed or burned.

Playing an addictive game may not be as excusable as gone to cook food, but still could have the same result. Adults die in shameful accidents, don't expect kids to be safe from it because parents are around.

A license would just fill abortion clinics, orphanages and raise fists from pro-choice/pro-life.
 

RicoADF

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Sutter Cane said:
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Wait are you saying spanking a child is wrong? Best thing my father ever did was give me a smack on the butt when I did something wrong, probably the only thing he's ever done right.
No, not at all, but there is a point where is does become abuse.
thats true, unfortunately its getting to the point where its all seen as abuse by idiots who missed the point completely, then wonder why all the kids today are undisciplined and have no respect for the law/authority.
 

DuctTapeJedi

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No, never. That's insane. Firstly, it assumes that people will be exactly like their parents, all of the time. To quote a Mr. Phillip Fry, "...look at me, my parents were honest, hard-working people." Personally, my mom's entire side of the family is riddled with abuse and mental illness. However, I would like to argue that I do contribute to society. Seriously, how many of the greatest people from history had screwed up childhoods?

Then there's the inverse. How many "obnoxious rich kids" do you know? I would tend to resent any proposal that puts Paris Hilton above Motzart.

Seriously, human existence is not a math problem. You can't reduce childhood to this level of simplicity to expect to build a utopia.

This is absolutely insane.
 

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I like the idea, although not so much as a standardized test. There are many different approaches to raising children with varying rates of success among them. For instance, some parents like to be hard on their kids to teach them that life is hard. Sometimes this works and you get an efficient and productive child and other times you get a rebellious troublemaker or even a depressed child that either becomes violent or suicidal because, "daddy never hugged me."

Instead, there should be a screening process. They put in there application and a computer then does a background check for to test parenting aptitude.

-The computer checks their criminal record. Then the criminal offenses are reviewed and if anything serious (murder, attempted murder, assault, etc.) is found, then they are denied.

-A check of permanent records from school to check things like grades for intelligence and behavior. If the person had a lot of trouble turning in homework or lacked responsibility, they lose "points" overall. Also this check will look for fights that might not appear on a criminal record. If there are a large number of fights, this person is likely to abuse their child.

-A medical check for any hereditary diseases is done to see if there are serious complications for bringing a child into the world. For instance, my father has a family history of heart disease which caused my 30-something year old half sister to have a heart attack after living a very healthy life. If the medical check exposed this, they wouldn't have let him reproduce with anyone.

If the applicant passed the other tests with flying colors, but fails this test, they are given the opportunity to adopt a child. Or if the spouse passes every test, they could find someone that passes this medical check and have the child with them, but have the applicants raise the child. This procedure is already used for couples where one of the would-be-parents is physically unable to reproduce.

-Finally, a drug test for obvious reasons.

Any would be parents would also have to go to a parenting class. A class that covers the basics like how to change diapers and feed the baby and all that fun stuff. I don't this is too harsh and it removes the chance that the applicant would pass the test with lucky guesses.
On the medical check, no absolutely no.
Ever heard of a crazy stupid thing called eugenics. Let's make the human race perfect, what's wrong with removing nature from the equation? While we remove those possible diseases, let's just remove those traits that could make our baby ugly in the future.

While a medical check isn't exactly that, it is a preventative measure form of it. Oh, parents are obese, well we can't have them make a kid, it will probably be fat as well.

I don't even think you realize how many people have hereditary diseases. If all the back history was known on everybody, I guarantee that you won't find anybody that has a clean history. People that answer that they have a clean genetic medical history just don't know anything about their relatives' histories.

If there are people with clean genetic histories, then it's going to be in the 1%-2% range that by your standards, will be able to have kids.

On the school record checks, that doesn't work either. If you actually pay attention to people in classes around you over grade school to college. Around 90% or more people have on there records that they had trouble turning in their homework, or didn't turn it in at all. Besides, a good potion of that has nothing to do with irresponsibility. Also, don't even get me started on trying to link fights to child abuse, because there is really no correlation. I guarantee there are millions of parents that got into fights and all sorts of trouble when they were kids, but are fine and upstanding parents.


I give an outright no to any of this. No to licenses, just no. I would fear for humanity if these kind of restrictions started being enforced(though they wouldn't be able to, there would be all out global civil war, either that or we would have some kind of bizarre baby speakeasies)

Just let nature be nature, let people do what they want, if something bad happens, well guess what, that is life. I know if such things were in place anytime in the past, I wouldn't exist, my family, my friends and their families, and everybody else connected to them and so on and so on, would not exist. Humanity would have come to screeching halt a long time ago.
 

RelexCryo

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the problem with applying for a liscense to raise children is that, on average, the government is both horribly incompetent and horribly corrupt. As a percentage, there are far more incompetent/corrupt politicians than there are incompetent/corrupt parents. Hence, while being forced to apply for a liscense might stop some bad people from being parents, on average it would probably make things much worse.

Oh, and having the government literally decide whether or not you can even have children-before you have actually done anything wrong-that is just giving the government way too much power over your life.
 

Guitarmasterx7

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The obvious disadvantage to this would be that it would result in a lot more children and taxpayer money that would end up in orphanages.

I would say that there should at least be an option between a test or a couple of pass or fail parenting classes required, either before or shortly after you have your kid. I don't know about the rest of it though. "Don't have a baby" is kind of a hard law to enforce, and there are a lot of different scenarios that could lead to someone being unintentionally pregnant.
A "You don't get to keep your kid unless you do this" ultimatum however, would be much more realistically possible.
 

RabbidKuriboh

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oh sweet jesus christ yes!

there are so many people who live in shit and have nothing to do so they have kids and their kids are forced into the same crappy existence

china has it close but i think they're not far off a working system
 

Magicman10893

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Sonic Doctor said:
On the medical check, no absolutely no.
Ever heard of a crazy stupid thing called eugenics. Let's make the human race perfect, what's wrong with removing nature from the equation? While we remove those possible diseases, let's just remove those traits that could make our baby ugly in the future.

While a medical check isn't exactly that, it is a preventative measure form of it. Oh, parents are obese, well we can't have them make a kid, it will probably be fat as well.

I don't even think you realize how many people have hereditary diseases. If all the back history was known on everybody, I guarantee that you won't find anybody that has a clean history. People that answer that they have a clean genetic medical history just don't know anything about their relatives' histories.

If there are people with clean genetic histories, then it's going to be in the 1%-2% range that by your standards, will be able to have kids.

On the school record checks, that doesn't work either. If you actually pay attention to people in classes around you over grade school to college. Around 90% or more people have on there records that they had trouble turning in their homework, or didn't turn it in at all. Besides, a good potion of that has nothing to do with irresponsibility. Also, don't even get me started on trying to link fights to child abuse, because there is really no correlation. I guarantee there are millions of parents that got into fights and all sorts of trouble when they were kids, but are fine and upstanding parents.


I give an outright no to any of this. No to licenses, just no. I would fear for humanity if these kind of restrictions started being enforced(though they wouldn't be able to, there would be all out global civil war, either that or we would have some kind of bizarre baby speakeasies)

Just let nature be nature, let people do what they want, if something bad happens, well guess what, that is life. I know if such things were in place anytime in the past, I wouldn't exist, my family, my friends and their families, and everybody else connected to them and so on and so on, would not exist. Humanity would have come to screeching halt a long time ago.
With the school check I meant the kids that are constantly not being responsible. I know I've missed a few homeworks but I am talking about the kids that go an entire semester without turning in a single bit of homework. It's just a test of responsibility. Another test would be looking at job history and asking their employers how often they were late for work or how well they focused on their work. And while linking fighting to child abuse is a bit much, admittedly, I was just trying to check for a history of violence. A person that has a history of picking fights would probably indicate that they have a short temper, that may or may not cause them to verbally or physically abuse their child.

The medical check is admittedly too over the line. I know there are tons of undesired traits, but the kind of family history that would inhibit the life span of their kids. To my example of my dad's heart disease: he hasn't been able to go to work for most of my life which has put my family in a bad financial state. He has to have someone with him at all times when he goes out to ensure his safety and he is in dire need of a heart transplant and he has even told me that if he makes it past the next ten years it will be a miracle. This will also most likely be my future in about 10-15 years and he has felt really bad about bringing me into this world. Not to mention that I am apparently genetically predisposed to carry breast cancer which may or may not affect me, but will affect any daughters I have. For this reason I am going to do everything in my power to avoid having kids all together so as to not pass these traits on further.


Also, the whole licensing thing probably is a bad idea, but if there was one, I imagine the processes I listed are probably the best approach to it rather than a standardized test. Another problem with the whole thing would be how to enforce the license because it's not like the police would could stop everybody they see to check if they have parenting license. Not to mention people doing everything they could to try and hide their child if they couldn't pass the licensing application. Then having a kid locked up in an attic or the basement in hiding their entire life is probably more detrimental than the life that the license is trying to prevent.
 

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Malyc said:
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How would to enforce this? couldn't you just hide your child, also how long is this exam as some people just get tired of looking after children and snap due to stress resulting in the death of the child.
... Then those people should never have had a goddamn kid in the first place. This kind of logic explains why so many people die through stupidity.
I agree what I meant was depending on the length of the exam are you going to be able to catch them before they snap i.e see sings of meantal instability.
 

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Phwoarrr... "Parenting Test?" This is full blown eugenics.
God damn.

Hitler would like it though...

I honestly can't see how you would think this is a good idea.

The phenomenon of child neglect is so ill-defined and situational, the best looking people with the most money and the nicest genetics can have all these things and still subject children to horrible sociopathic mental abuse which you could in no way screen for.

Just horrible, plain plain horrible.
I hope you never are in any situation to legislate anything.

A eugenics thread on the escapist...
Never thought I'd see the day.
 

Amphoteric

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Impossible to enforce, a test like this could NEVER work. people can have as many children as they like no mater what their financial situation and it is going to stay that way.
 

0p3rati0n

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So much can go wrong and yet so much can go right. If this was in Congress and I was a Senator I would give the vote to pass it!
 

sam13lfc

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I don't think it would work to be honest, abusive parents can start out has good parents but subdue to alcohol and substance abuse etc, so you could easily 'fake' having the skills for a license. And knowing the UK government they'd set up a service that deals with this and charge you £77 for some fucking retards to process your application, arrange an interview and fuck things up.
 

Nieroshai

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My problem with this: who gets to decide? Who guarantees that this isn't just some form of ethnic or political cleansing? I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but can we really trust ANYONE with that kind of authority in America or Europe?