Should You Have to Get a License to Raise Children?
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No, this is a very bad idea. I think this would discriminate against a lot of people who might be good parents, and would be hard to enforce.
One particular err I have with the idea is the "medical" part. What fucking right does anyone have to say that anyone elses genes aren't good enough for them to be able to have kids. Adoption might work for some of those people, but for most it wouldn't. That in my mind is overstepping the line for when the state should interfere.
One particular err I have with the idea is the "medical" part. What fucking right does anyone have to say that anyone elses genes aren't good enough for them to be able to have kids. Adoption might work for some of those people, but for most it wouldn't. That in my mind is overstepping the line for when the state should interfere.
While we all claim that our problems are usually a lot worse than others, it's good to say that whilst many people are worse off than yourself, your problems are still tragic and very difficult for YOU. Because it's your low point, your life getting screwed over. Sure there's that girl down the street who has a neglecting father and it's a whole worse situation than yours, but yours is still relevant.
Anyhow, yes, fucking tests to weed out shit parents. Yes, I'm jaded by a particularly nasty divorce and infuriatingly stupid logic of a woman scorned who thinks that some bad experiences gives you a Get our of Jail Free card to be a complete dick-weed, that problem is just one on a pile of jillions that we could all amass. There's the abusive ones, the violent ones, the ones who knocked up a chick/got knocked up without the resources to actually RAISE a kid, the ones who turn their kids into monsters, the ones that leave their toddlers in a pool alone to answer the phone.
I wish there was a test to see if someone is going to ruin everyone's life when divorce inevitably rolls around (sometimes I think other generations forget that Gen Y has pretty much the most divorced parents ever) just because they have some self-entitled right to fuck shit up. But such a thing really is quite hard to gauge, so I'll settle for REALLY horrible stuff. Abuse violence and neglect. I'm a firm believer in prevention, not picking up the pieces.
Anyhow, yes, fucking tests to weed out shit parents. Yes, I'm jaded by a particularly nasty divorce and infuriatingly stupid logic of a woman scorned who thinks that some bad experiences gives you a Get our of Jail Free card to be a complete dick-weed, that problem is just one on a pile of jillions that we could all amass. There's the abusive ones, the violent ones, the ones who knocked up a chick/got knocked up without the resources to actually RAISE a kid, the ones who turn their kids into monsters, the ones that leave their toddlers in a pool alone to answer the phone.
I wish there was a test to see if someone is going to ruin everyone's life when divorce inevitably rolls around (sometimes I think other generations forget that Gen Y has pretty much the most divorced parents ever) just because they have some self-entitled right to fuck shit up. But such a thing really is quite hard to gauge, so I'll settle for REALLY horrible stuff. Abuse violence and neglect. I'm a firm believer in prevention, not picking up the pieces.
No. It would mean that people who suffer from things like Autism would be disallowed kids, even if they are fully capable, and, funnily enough, at sometime in my life I would quite like children.
I do, however, think that there should be evaluations on peoples skill as a parent, and that some people should be banned from having them, due to a record of misbehaviour, and lack of responsibility. For example, ex-cons, who were incarcerated for murder, GBH, and the like, however, it should still be an individual evaluation, for example, a known con-man could be a perfectly capable parent, while there's a good chance that a murderer isn't.
I do, however, think that there should be evaluations on peoples skill as a parent, and that some people should be banned from having them, due to a record of misbehaviour, and lack of responsibility. For example, ex-cons, who were incarcerated for murder, GBH, and the like, however, it should still be an individual evaluation, for example, a known con-man could be a perfectly capable parent, while there's a good chance that a murderer isn't.
absolutely not, though you should only get a tax break for doing so(and increase this break) if you take classes and pass an exam.
This pretty much, the government has no right to tell you how to raise your children or if you should have a children. If you deny a person to have to children, you deny that child life. And as this guy has said, only a small minority of parents are shitty, believe it or not but most parents actually love their children and do the best job they can in raising them.Blitzwarp said:
Every time I see this kind of question I remember a lot of civil rights issues, especially pertaining to blacks in America and the right to vote. I can see the pros, but abuse of power on all levels would make this a very ugly prospect.
I remember a woman that graduated from a college my mother worked at and went on to work in journalism and broadcasting. She was young, and wanted to have a family of her own. She also happened to have been born with a deformity of the hands that fused her fingers together like claws. She was told that odds were very good her children would also have this same birth anomaly. She went ahead and had a child anyway. People criticized her for doing so because they felt it was not her right to knowingly condemn her unborn children to a life with a "handicap". The argument was that the state should have intervened and prevented her from having children.
They used to say the same about black people and mixed race children (in many cases they still do). They also say that a lot about homosexuals having children. Regulating this would require people be unbiased, and I've yet to meet anyone that is truly indifferent enough to judge whether or not a person is fit to be a parent. On top of which wielding such power can leave a handful of people deciding the fate of our genetic diversity, not to mention that it is a dehumanizing concept.
Too many things could go wrong with this. Besides, who are we to decide who has a right to use their body in a perfectly natural way, and who does not have such a right?
I remember a woman that graduated from a college my mother worked at and went on to work in journalism and broadcasting. She was young, and wanted to have a family of her own. She also happened to have been born with a deformity of the hands that fused her fingers together like claws. She was told that odds were very good her children would also have this same birth anomaly. She went ahead and had a child anyway. People criticized her for doing so because they felt it was not her right to knowingly condemn her unborn children to a life with a "handicap". The argument was that the state should have intervened and prevented her from having children.
They used to say the same about black people and mixed race children (in many cases they still do). They also say that a lot about homosexuals having children. Regulating this would require people be unbiased, and I've yet to meet anyone that is truly indifferent enough to judge whether or not a person is fit to be a parent. On top of which wielding such power can leave a handful of people deciding the fate of our genetic diversity, not to mention that it is a dehumanizing concept.
Too many things could go wrong with this. Besides, who are we to decide who has a right to use their body in a perfectly natural way, and who does not have such a right?
No no no a thousand times no. For one it would be impossible and costly to maintain such a system since it would require untold numbers of investigations and checks and searches and would be circumvented by tons of people to get around the whole issue. For two, do you really want the government deciding who gets to have kids? Big brother much? For three, You're taking away the civil liberty of the ability to have offspring form citizens, that's a horrible idea. For four, The church is going to be seriously pissed what with each child being a gift from god and the government trying to arbitrary take that away. For five, does this really sound like something that would ever happen int he real world... ever?
Yes. Require a license for having children. This is the best idea since...well there has never really been an idea this great!
With the recent excess of stupidity I think it would help...
He didn't say nobody could have children. Just the good parents.
With the recent excess of stupidity I think it would help...
This is only punishing the bad parents. As the OP said, they need to pass a few tests in order to get a license to have children.Rocket Dog said:
He didn't say nobody could have children. Just the good parents.
You know, life is becoming too orderly, things are checked up on by people when they really have nothing to do with anything. Social workers? Fuck off. Police? K. But really. If someone has a kid, they shouldn't need to be checked up on or made to have a 'licence' to raise a kid. They should know beforehand how to treat and bring up a child.
There are too many people having children in this world to even consider making every single person get a licence before having a kid. It's their child, let them act like a tosser and bring it up terribly, or let them treat it with respect and let it have a nice life. It really doesn't have anything to do with anybody else.
I may seem coldhearted, but I just really think the adult should take the responsibility of knowing things before having kids, and not need random people telling them how to bring them up, you know?
Also, it'd just be strange. A kid and mother walking on the street, policeman coming up to them, pointing at the kid and saying, "Do you have a licence for that?" It just seems like we're treating everything as if it's a posession. I most probably make no sense, but there you go, that's what I think.
Simply no, I do not think you should have to get a licence to raise children.
There are too many people having children in this world to even consider making every single person get a licence before having a kid. It's their child, let them act like a tosser and bring it up terribly, or let them treat it with respect and let it have a nice life. It really doesn't have anything to do with anybody else.
I may seem coldhearted, but I just really think the adult should take the responsibility of knowing things before having kids, and not need random people telling them how to bring them up, you know?
Also, it'd just be strange. A kid and mother walking on the street, policeman coming up to them, pointing at the kid and saying, "Do you have a licence for that?" It just seems like we're treating everything as if it's a posession. I most probably make no sense, but there you go, that's what I think.
Simply no, I do not think you should have to get a licence to raise children.
This, this this this... This.TheTaco007 said:
Not only is it unethical to say "You aren't a good enough human to breed. Kindly die so your genes never pass on." but the tremendous amount of power that would be needed to enforce this license could (and probably would) be abused to slowly make the world more white, black, whathaveyou.
No, no, no... No!
I agree that it's not a human right to have a child. However, it is a right to not have anything done to your body against your will.dathwampeer said:
I get that this would mean less strain on the system, but is the cost of personal freedom of what does and does not happen to one's person worth that?
I think most bad parents come from unplanned/careless pregnancies which this wouldn't stop. The only way to prevent those would be government regulated birth control pills starting at a girl's pubescence and free, readily available condoms. I'd be all for that as opposed to my tax money paying for obama to go on vacation twice a month.
On the one hand, it sounds great, and would stop a lot of effing idiots from having kids they can't figure out what the fuck to do them.
But, that means the government would become involved, and NO FUCKING WAY.
But, that means the government would become involved, and NO FUCKING WAY.