Show me more proof. (Boston bombings)

[saoirse13]

Is it just me or am I missing something. I'm not condoning terrorist activity, but I have yet to see any concrete evidence that the two accused for the Boston bombings actually did it. All I' ve really seen is that the media have automatically put it put there that those two boys did it and that's all the evidence the public need. The word of the media and the government. The photographs of the alleged bombers walking with backpacks is about as little circumstantial evidence possible considering hundreds were seen to be walking the street with bags similar including members of the FBI. I don't know, I just think a little more evidence is needed before the whole world goes into uproar against two boys who may or may not have anything to do with these events

Edit: I should probably mention that yes I understand that these guys shot a cop and throw bombs out a window while trying to outrun cops. And that there is supposedly a confession. I'm not saying none of that never happened, all I'm saying is look at the track record of the government and their coverups. How many times in American history has their been some sort of disaster where one or two nutcases where to blame, confessions were given, but in reality 10 or 20 years later the truth starts to come out and maybe the government fucked up and it was actually the work of themselves. Also why is it so bad that I'm asking these questions, I realise I have opened a can of worms, and will probably never get the answers I have asked for but I do believe that we as the public should be given more to go on and to believe then just the work of some eyewitness and the media. Thats all. The amount of lies we have been told before is outrageous, yet the majority suck it all up to be the truth without any thought and zero questioning. Jesus just look at Iraq, ' oh we are all going to die they have so many weapons of mass destruction," when what in reality thee was none. And maybe I should be classified as a nutcase because I'd rather question the crap we are told before actually making a judgment.

 

[Jayemsal]

We have a confession, that's what.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Your mistake was using the media as a source of reliable information.

The FBI isn't at liberty to tell faux news about it's goings on.

 

[madkill]

Its to make the public calm the fuck down, in about four years time they'll release a statement declaring that those two boys were wrongly prosecuted all along, however we'll have solved the actual case a year prior to that discovery and just not told anyone out-loud.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

For one the CCTV caught them with the rucksacks walking over to the area the bombs were let off, and walking away without their rucksacks. The hundreds of other people with bags and rucksacks didn't do that.

Secondly when they were accosted didn't they shoot a policeman and drive off in a car lobbing bombs out the window?
I'd say those were the droids you were looking for.

 

[Berithil]

Well...

In addition to getting caught on camera entering the area with bags and leaving it without said bags, they shot a police officer, carjacked someone (told them that they were the bombers), and got into a high speed pursuit while throwing bombs at the pursuing police.

I think that's proof enough.

 

[Quaxar]

I suppose you didn't look all that hard, huh?

Well...

In addition to getting caught on camera entering the area with bags and leaving it without said bags, they shot a police officer, carjacked someone (told them that they were the bombers), and got into a high speed pursuit while throwing bombs at the pursuing police.

I think that's proof enough.

Yeah... and even if they didn't do the actual bombings the one survivor has screwed up so much he'll be in for a long time.

 

[Kolby Jack]

I think the evidence is pretty conclusive at this point. Really the only part that remains unclear is whether or not the two brothers acted without any other help. You're right not to believe the media, as the media is always going to sensationalize and outright lie sometimes for ratings, but there are official statements made by the FBI and police that confirm these two guys as the bombers out there for all to see. The only thing I can't stand in all of this is the media organizations hounding the wife and parents. I mean, it's perfectly justified for the FBI to investigate them in case they ARE connected, but if they're not, then the media is exacerbating the already considerable pain and stress of innocent people. It's messed up.

 

[krazykidd]

Best case scenerio : they did it .

Worst case scenerio : they are scapegoats .

End result : americans are reassured , and they prejudice views of muslams are reinforced .

Conclusion :. Whether they did it or not , it doesn't matter . The end result is the same.

 

[xDarc]

Probably the best evidence I have heard so far is a statement from the guy in the graphic image with both legs off who said he watched the surviving suspect set the bag down that exploded. There's no question these two are involved, but involved in what exactly? The images from the marathon are the only other proof of them being connected to this that we've seen, but we saw a lot of people with backpacks.

Also:

There are many conflicting reports that there were undetonated devices at the marathon, and that the bomb squad performed controlled detonations to destroy other devices, but that can't be or there would need to be more than two suspects.

We haven't seen anything linking them to the murder of the police officer.

The carjacking victim is an unidentified Chinese national who speaks little English. An interpreter was not used to get his initial statements.

The 2nd suspect was shot through the throat and can't speak. We haven't seen any of the actual written statements and everything we are told he is writing is paraphrased.

The explosive devices used in the shootout were nowhere near as effective or sophisticated as the ones used at the marathon.

I don't think there's any question these two were involved, but until I see more with my own eyes, I can't see it being feasible that they were the only ones. I don't believe anything that I am simply told, especially when it comes from the government, not a word, nothing, zero.

Remember how they told he us he took a shot at the cops while he was hiding in the boat so they lit him up? They even had a drawing of him peeking out from under the tarp, a barrel protruding out with an orange muzzle flash... an artist's drawing. I remember thinking, why a drawing and not a picture of the actual event from the FLIR cam? Oh that's right, because it never happened.

That's not the media, they are literally just mouthpieces from the state. They get everything through official channels and repeat the lies often enough so the truth is so muddied and lost it makes your brain hurt.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

The public don't need the evidence, the judge does... and in the case of home grown terrorism it is usually classified information not releasable to the public anyway... This is the type of thing where you just have to trust the professionals to do their jobs!

 

[Deshin]

You're right, hardly any concrete evidence.

There's a massive collection of data the FBI sifted through (more than the few pics/vids the media outlets had running, FBI took phones, camcorders, and CCTV from every camera in a huge radius) and isolated them dropping off their bags them going kaboom.
There's an eyewitness testimony from a dude so close to the blast he lost both his legs.
Then they shot a police officer and fled while throwing pipe bombs at pursing police cars.
They found another 20 or so home-made bombs in their apartment.
And of course the surviving bomber has confessed to everything.

Honestly, what the hell MORE do you want? A broadway musical?

The only thing I can't stand in all of this is the media organizations hounding the wife and parents. I mean, it's perfectly justified for the FBI to investigate them in case they ARE connected, but if they're not, then the media is exacerbating the already considerable pain and stress of innocent people. It's messed up.

Appearing before media and press is not a government mandate. Quite a lot of times people just say "No Comment." If they have their faces plastered all over the news and giving interviews then you can't blame the media outlets. Would YOU be the editor who turned down covering a press release of the Boston Bombers' parents? Too slim pickings for ya?

We haven't seen anything linking them to the murder of the police officer.


The 2nd suspect was shot through the throat and can't speak. We haven't seen any of the actual written statements and everything we are told he is writing is paraphrased.

The explosive devices used in the shootout were nowhere near as effective or sophisticated as the ones used at the marathon.

I don't think there's any question these two were involved, but until I see more with my own eyes, I can't see it being feasible that they were the only ones. I don't believe anything that I am simply told, especially when it comes from the government, not a word, nothing, zero.

Remember how they told he us he took a shot at the cops while he was hiding in the boat so they lit him up? They even had a drawing of him peeking out from under the tarp, a barrel protruding out with an orange muzzle flash... an artist's drawing. I remember thinking, why a drawing and not a picture of the actual event from the FLIR cam? Oh that's right, because it never happened.

That's not the media, they are literally just mouthpieces from the state. They get everything through official channels and repeat the lies often enough so the truth is so muddied and lost it makes your brain hurt.

You know it's not a typical or normal thing for any government whatsoever to publicly release footage or anything written during an ongoing terrorism trial right? You think the local news outlet is going to go up and ask the swat team pretty please can they borrow the tape from evidence to show on tv? Or someone's there to photograph the bomber's written statements and shove it on twitter "interviewing boston bomber #yolo".

I'm all well and for people being critical and analytical but Jesus Christ people, not every nutjob blowing up something is the bloody Da Vinci Code.

 

[Mrkillhappy]

Best case scenerio : they did it .

Worst case scenerio : they are scapegoats .

End result : americans are reassured , and they prejudice views of muslams are reinforced .

Conclusion :. Whether they did it or not , it doesn't matter . The end result is the same.

As an American I should probably be offended by that still doesn't make what you said any less true.
OP: yeah even if they were not responsible for the bombings they still hijacked a car, shot a cop, and threw explosive out into the street during a high speed pursuit so yeah. Now tell me if any of that seems like something two innocent civilians would do.

 

[xDarc]

I'm all well and for people being critical and analytical but Jesus Christ people, not every nutjob blowing up something is the bloody Da Vinci Code.

No, but the United States government and it's federal agencies have zero credibility at this point. Don't see how that's a radical view. Basically, pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Deshin]

No, but the United States government and it's federal agencies have zero credibility at this point. Don't see how that's a radical view. Basically, pics or it didn't happen.

A philosophical conundrum: If a crime is committed and no one took pics, did it make a sound?

Have you personally seen photos of every single homicide ever? Better go petition those prisons then because obviosly the majority of them must be innocent as no pics.

People can't make up their minds, one half is saying "the media's too involved, too much publicity, glorifying the killers" etc etc and the other half demanding more pics and videos because they all want to play armchair detective.

Here's the thing: No government, American or otherwise, owes its people disclosure of any criminal case's evidence at all. Evidence is disclosed to the JURY. AFTER the trial the evidence may be released into the public domain if it was a high profile case.

 

[NiPah]

I'm all well and for people being critical and analytical but Jesus Christ people, not every nutjob blowing up something is the bloody Da Vinci Code.

No, but the United States government and it's federal agencies have zero credibility at this point. Don't see how that's a radical view. Basically, pics or it didn't happen.

Really? Zero? I think that's going a bit far, as said a healthy cynical viewpoint is a good thing but you're straight off the paranoia spectrum. Pics will be present in the court of law where the defendant will be tried for the murder of 4 people as well as a slew of terrorist and other heavy crimes, if you're picked for the jury you'll have a chance to judge those "pics", otherwise most people including you and me will just get what ever is made public.

 

[xDarc]

People can't make up their minds, one half is saying "the media's too involved, too much publicity, glorifying the killers" etc etc and the other half demanding more pics and videos because they all want to play armchair detective.

You're off the mark. I don't expect to see the evidence. I don't expect to ever know the truth. That's par for the course around here. The OP asked what evidence there is, the answer is not much considering a statement by an official or anonymous source is not evidence. Seems logical.

What is ridiculous is believing the things you hear from the media that change from one day to the next, most of which comes not from investigative reporting anymore, but from official statements. I remember when there used to be news without some official feeding it line by line at a press conference. I think it was called journalism?

Ah what the hell, it's pointless.

 

[PhiMed]

First of all, law enforcement agencies do not owe it to you to try and convince you of anything. You are neither judge, nor jury, nor executioner, so your opinion on whether they did it or not means little more than that of an ant. Thus, they aren't going to show you the evidence they're going to present in an ongoing criminal prosecution.

Second, really? No evidence? Film of them walking with backpacks, film of them setting them down, then film of their backpacks exploding and killing people. Remove the tinfoil hat, dear. Reality is having a hard time getting in.

Besides, not that this invalidates your opinion (there are lots of other things that do that), but do you even live in this country?

 

[Compatriot Block]

No, but the United States government and it's federal agencies have zero credibility at this point. Don't see how that's a radical view. Basically, pics or it didn't happen.

A philosophical conundrum: If a crime is committed and no one took pics, did it make a sound?

Have you personally seen photos of every single homicide ever? Better go petition those prisons then because obviosly the majority of them must be innocent as no pics.

People can't make up their minds, one half is saying "the media's too involved, too much publicity, glorifying the killers" etc etc and the other half demanding more pics and videos because they all want to play armchair detective.

Here's the thing: No government, American or otherwise, owes its people disclosure of any criminal case's evidence at all. Evidence is disclosed to the JURY. AFTER the trial the evidence may be released into the public domain if it was a high profile case.

I'm all well and for people being critical and analytical but Jesus Christ people, not every nutjob blowing up something is the bloody Da Vinci Code.

No, but the United States government and it's federal agencies have zero credibility at this point. Don't see how that's a radical view. Basically, pics or it didn't happen.

Really? Zero? I think that's going a bit far, as said a healthy cynical viewpoint is a good thing but you're straight off the paranoia spectrum. Pics will be present in the court of law where the defendant will be tried for the murder of 4 people as well as a slew of terrorist and other heavy crimes, if you're picked for the jury you'll have a chance to judge those "pics", otherwise most people including you and me will just get what ever is made public.

You guys are probably not aware of it, but the guy you're arguing with is the same guy who was asking how to take down a predator drone for when the police start targeting US citizens, and also called the police searching houses in Boston evidence of a "police state."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.406662-Poll-Police-State-USA-Boston-Area-Raids?page=1
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.405773-Any-Ideas-on-how-to-take-down-a-predator-drone

So paranoia is probably pretty accurate.

Anyways, do we have any evidence that points to anyone else? Because there is evidence that points to him, so I don't see how it's crazy to proceed in that direction.