Show me more proof. (Boston bombings)

[CriticalMiss]

There is no proof, Elvis and John Lennon fed it all to the Loch Ness monster because the Illuminati reptilians told them to so that corporate America can control the oil so they can afford to make a fake Mars landing video. Cookey enough?

Seems like there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that puts the suspects in the guilty category.

 

[Animyr]

Well, I just read through the article and was scanning the comments. One thing that stood out to be me was "They wanted people to accept Police State Lock Downs, and door to door searches. With no warrants." It's a stretch for sure, but plausible as a motive.

I saw that comment. What, there's never been any lockdowns or house-to-house searches while looking for a dangerous fugitive before? I haven't checked the history of manhunts recently, but I find that very hard to believe.

 

[Seydaman]

Apparently, confession. But even if they didn't do it, they committed enough other crimes as to make it beside the point, regardless, it makes people feel safe. Although I feel bad for the surviving(?) bomber, I cannot imagine the horror he'll go through if he survives, most likely execution.

 

[lacktheknack]

Its to make the public calm the fuck down, in about four years time they'll release a statement declaring that those two boys were wrongly prosecuted all along, however we'll have solved the actual case a year prior to that discovery and just not told anyone out-loud.

Impossible. The survivor has already committed insane amounts of crimes.

Life isn't a video game. If you kill a cop while escaping because you didn't do the crime in question, YOU GO TO PRISON.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

...Yeaaah, I don't buy that. Judging by their actions... the perpetrators seem pretty guilty.

 

[The Inquisitive Mug]

Jesus folks, way to overreact. OP wasn't proclaiming the suspect's innocence, just asking for more evidence. Trying to learn more before forming an opinion, which is admirable. No need to follow up said evidence with hostility.

"...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." -Hermann Göring

 

[hentropy]

The funny thing is, these conspiracy theorists seem to want to have a several different camera angles of the exact crime that they are accused of, yet these are the same people that freak out about police states whenever a new camera goes up outside of a privately run store in a public place. We never really have "proof", clear video evidence of the people doing what they are accused of, but it's about linking the accused to the crime using physical and circumstantial evidence. In this case, they have a wealth of both.

If you want to complain about lacking of physical evidence, there are many murder and other trials going on right now with much less evidence, but will probably still end in convictions. This one is about as clear-cut as it gets. I'll be the first to say that the Boston police pretty much overreacted and probable did some legally grey things, and I'll be the first to bash the media for reporting things with little to go on and assuming too much, as well as the law enforcement agencies who put a city in lockdown without telling the people who lived there what was happening for eight hours only to finally admit that they lost the guy, only for him to be found once the lockdown was lifted. But these guys really didn't go to great lengths to conceal the fact that they were the ones who did this.

 

[NiPah]

You guys are probably not aware of it, but the guy you're arguing with is the same guy who was asking how to take down a predator drone for when the police start targeting US citizens, and also called the police searching houses in Boston evidence of a "police state."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.406662-Poll-Police-State-USA-Boston-Area-Raids?page=1
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.405773-Any-Ideas-on-how-to-take-down-a-predator-drone

So paranoia is probably pretty accurate.

Anyways, do we have any evidence that points to anyone else? Because there is evidence that points to him, so I don't see how it's crazy to proceed in that direction.

Ah thanks, while it's fun to debate better stay away from this.

 

[Asita]

The public don't need the evidence, the judge does... and in the case of home grown terrorism it is usually classified information not releasable to the public anyway... This is the type of thing where you just have to trust the professionals to do their jobs!

Your kidding right. Trust the professionals who ultimately have a track record of lying to the public, to hide their own agenda. And trust the judge, well thats even if it goes to court, which I'd say there will be a seriously slim chance of. You could nearly place bets that this lads untimely death will surprisingly happen just before any court case can take place. You look at the history of America when it comes to things like this and 9 times out of 10 there is no suspect either thei die of 'natural causes, suicide or some lone ' vigilantly gets to them before anything can go public.
Nope it will all be swept under the rug from the publics eyes and ears then in 10 years it will be used as part of some excuse for another war

...So...are we to take it then that no evidence would satisfy you? After all, you'd only ever hear it from official sources (which you just said can't be trusted) or the media (which not only incorporate the former but you note in the first post as also untrustworthy)...so how exactly would we prove it to you? You don't seem to give us a lot of sourcing options.

 

[Commissar Sae]

We have a confession, that's what.

I laughed too hard at this. I thought it was widely known there was a confession. What more do you need?

Problem is that a lot of people have confessed for crimes they didn't commit in the past. Sometimes the 15 minutes of fame is enough to warrant a life in prison for some people.

That said I still think the police chase, photographic evidence, and other corroborating evidence is plenty to declare the two guilty. Had they just come forward out of the blue and said "Yeah we totally did it." I would be more suspicious.

Even if there was some sort of shadow government secret agenda, how would this help them. Complacent people are more easy to rule that fearful ones, though I suppose they may have read too much Machiavelli and not enough Marx.

 

[Judas_Iscariot]

They threw bombs at and shot to death police officers. Sounds like they are the right guys to me.

Not everything is a huge conspiracy cover up. Just because the media doesn't have the evidence, doesn't mean the government lacks evidence.

 

[alphamalet]

I don't understand what more evidence you need...

-They have surveillance videos of the suspects.
-The suspects killed a police officer, hijacked a car, and confessed to the man they hijacked the car from that they were the bombers.
-They threw explosives and shot at the police that were pursuing them
-The one that lived reportedly confessed while in custody.

Like others have said, not everything is a conspiracy.

End result : americans are reassured , and they prejudice views of muslams are reinforced .

Conclusion :. Whether they did it or not , it doesn't matter . The end result is the same.

I haven't seen hypocrisy like this in a while. You condemn prejudices and sweeping generalizations of a religion, while you insult an entire country with a sweeping generaliztion. Are you serious? A comment like this is not productive and you should apologize for it.

 

[krazykidd]

I don't understand what more evidence you need...

-They have surveillance videos of the suspects.
-The suspects killed a police officer, hijacked a car, and confessed to the man they hijacked the car from that they were the bombers.
-They threw explosives and shot at the police that were pursuing them
-The one that lived reportedly confessed while in custody.

Like others have said, not everything is a conspiracy.

End result : americans are reassured , and they prejudice views of muslams are reinforced .

Conclusion :. Whether they did it or not , it doesn't matter . The end result is the same.

I haven't seen hypocrisy like this in a while. You condemn prejudices and sweeping generalizations of a religion, while you insult an entire country with a sweeping generaliztion. Are you serious? A comment like this is not productive and you should apologize for it.

I won't apologize for it . Of course not EVERYONE thinks that . That's just comon sense . And what insult did i throw towards an entire country ? That they have prejudice views of muslims and islam ? Have you been living under a rock? Prejudice , racism and discrimination towards muslims have been present A LOT since 9/11 . Not to say it wasn't present before . Add the fact that Americans ( or most people in general ) don't care about the truth , they just want to feel safe . So i stand by my comment .

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Best case scenerio : they did it .

Worst case scenerio : they are scapegoats .

End result : americans are reassured , and they prejudice views of muslams are reinforced .

Conclusion :. Whether they did it or not , it doesn't matter . The end result is the same.

As an American I do resent that. I don't judge people by their religion, but by their actions. Muslims and terrorists are two different things, it just happens to be that terrorism is popular with Muslim extremists against the USA, which is why there are a lot of people wary of Muslims here.
Just as there are a lot of judgmental non-Americans who lump all of us in together as lazy, or barbaric, or lacking culture or racists gun toting morons because of what they see/read/hear instead of leaving the judgements at the door.
In other words, don't assume you know all of us because we can just as easily label you and file you away as an asshole.

Edit for OTness: I think you can just blame it on Bush and Cheney since they're the real scapegoats for anything that goes wrong in America nowadays.
Or you can read a little bit into the story and find out theres photographic evidence and video that shows those 2 guys dropping the packages where the bombs go off, one of which was on his cell a few moments before it goes off and the ONLY one not surprised or panicked when the 1st bomb goes off.
Of course dropping the packages off aren't signs of guilt, amirite?

 

[xDarc]

Second, he graduated from Northeastern, and now holds a job in the area, so something tells me he can speak English just fine.

Excuse me, I misread an article. The suspects were not speaking in English.

 

[xDarc]

You guys are probably not aware of it, but the guy you're arguing with is the same guy who was asking how to take down a predator drone for when the police start targeting US citizens, and also called the police searching houses in Boston evidence of a "police state."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.406662-Poll-Police-State-USA-Boston-Area-Raids?page=1
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.405773-Any-Ideas-on-how-to-take-down-a-predator-drone

So paranoia is probably pretty accurate.

Maybe I'll put that in a signature so I can save you the trouble of following me around with a sign. I was watching federal agents lie about burning people alive in Waco, TX before you were you were even born. When you were 7, I was reading the paper 2 days after 9/11 telling us that yes, we found hijackers' passports laying neatly on top of the pile of atomized rubble, somehow surviving the destruction.

People still talked about the Kennedy assassination when I was little, about how ridiculous the magic bullet theory was and how the whole country was waking up to smell the turd that was the Warren commission after more than 20 years. Maybe it was because people communicated ideas back with more than 140 characters, or in wall posts- but people on average were less distracted and more aware that bullshit was everywhere, propaganda surrounding them.

You can call me paranoid all day long, it does not change the fact that the US government has and will continue to lie to you. They are not to be trusted, the media is not to be trusted because they aren't journalists anymore, they just wait for the state to tell them something and parrot the lines fed to them.

The older you get, the more you will see it, and the less faith you will have in the whole system. Or you'll be like some other folks I know my age, aloof, absorbed in television or entertainment media, blissfully unaware, and totally unequipped to deal with reality when bad shit happens.

 

[Something Amyss]

As an American I do resent that.

As an American, I accept it. I mean, let's face it. A couple of brown people (who we conflate with Muslims, as a whole) were posted in the NY Post, and not even the FBI saying they aren't the guys can stop us from tirading against the Muslim (by which they mean Arab) world and we had Muslims getting assaulted in Boston. The brown kind. Even pictures of two white dudes didn't stop the hate or outrage, and THEN we found out they were Muslim, and....

I feel shame that we are portrayed this way, but not because it is incorrect. America has, as a whole, been decidedly prejudiced with regards to the Muslim/Arab communities across the nation and worldwide.

What krazykidd said does not implicate any given American. While you might not be part of the problem, consider then that you may also not be representative of America or Americans as a whole.

We're a nation where like fifteen percent admitted they wouldn't vote for a black person.

We're a nation where four years after the election, 17% of voters thought Obama was a Muslim. Higher if you don't go with Pew.

More to the point, we're a nation that jumped to the conclusion that the Boston Marathon bombing was an act of religious terror with no actual evidence.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Please, please don't go down this route. Which is easier to believe? That two men with few friends went down to their local hardware store and bought a pressure cooker, an egg timer, and a bag of nails and BBs, or that a vast chunk of our federal government plotted this to do...something?


Just read this article. There really isn't a leg to stand on here.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/04/15/why_the_conspiracy_theorists_will_have_a_tough_time_with_boston.html

I think Alan Moore stated that people turn to conspiracy theories because it's much more comforting to think these terrible things happen because of some vast conspiracy then the reality that shit is just random chaos.

I would never say it's impossible for false flags to happen, it's possible just highly unlikely.