Shows, movies, etc. you hate on the conceptual level.

[Rellik San]

This is pretty much a self explanatory thread, what show's and movies and musicals and music do you hate so much on the conceptual level that you haven't even seen them and why?

My big one is the musical; Rent.
I despise it with all my being, y'know who I feel sorry for in that show? The land lord who has to put up with these shiftless layabouts who like claiming being "artists" is what gives them the right to be hedonistic fuck ups all day.

I mean seriously, it's a show about the; "Plight of the artist" but it seems at no point do any of these "artists" think; "Well gee, maybe to fund my living expenses and this project I should get a day job." y'know like most normal artists. It would be bad enough if that's where it finished, but no... instead it effectively then goes on to insist that all these people WHO KNOW THEY ARE HIV POSITIVE! have implied unprotected sex with their significant others they basically just met within the film... ARE WE EVEN MEANT TO SYMPATHISE AT ALL WITH THESE CHARACTERS?!?!?

So yeah I dislike Rent on the basic conceptual level, what are your conceptual hates?

 

[Barbas]

(Snip).

That looks pretty bad. I'm no doctor, but I think I can take your mind off that pain by creating a more acute one elsewhere. With that in mind, please enjoy "Bazinga!"

OT: I dislike lazy propaganda films on the conceptual level. Everyone makes mistakes when it comes to remembering things...but then there's the "History" channel. Half of it is sexed-up war stories while the other half is sexed-up docu-dramas.

 

[Rellik San]

this is secretly a thread about the big bang theory isn't it ?...

captcha says...and i shit you not..."golly jeepers"...which sounds suspiciously like a Sheldon quote...

get out my head ! :s

That, my friend is a thread for another time... and features more than a little raging about why COMMUNITY a much better show is languishing in the ratings. #6seasonsandamovie.

OT: I dislike lazy propaganda films on the conceptual level. Everyone makes mistakes when it comes to remembering things...but then there's the "History" channel. Half of it is sexed-up war stories while the other half is sexed-up docu-dramas.

Fortunately content like that doesn't tend to fly within the UK, not to say we're all stiff upper lip about it, but tend to be a bit more pragmatic about it.

 

[shrekfan246]

Uh... none?

Because a concept alone isn't really bad or good enough to carry something?

Oh, wait, The Hangover, I suppose.

I'm not so stuck up that I don't appreciate "college humor", I mean, I like American Pie. But I've never understood the appeal of The Hangover series, because it just appears to be the film version of those "lel so random" videos you find on Youtube or wherever.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

My big one is the musical; Rent.
I despise it with all my being, y'know who I feel sorry for in that show? The land lord who has to put up with these shiftless layabouts who like claiming being "artists" is what gives them the right to be hedonistic fuck ups all day.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA finally! Finally!

I hated that goddam show so much. "We don't wanna pay rent! Rent! Rent!" I wanted to choke them all. No one wants to pay rent, you lazy fuckers! You do it because it's the right thing to do! "Early 20's Entitlement Complex: The Musical".

That, my friend is a thread for another time... and features more than a little raging about why COMMUNITY a much better show is languishing in the ratings. #6seasonsandamovie.

Community was always a very "meta" show. It's aimed at a niche/geek audience, whereas BBT is aimed at a mainstream audience. Community adores geek culture, and wants to share inside jokes with it. BBT hates geek culture, and wants to make jokes about it.

The fact we had to suffer through a season of zombie Community after Harmon was fired didn't help either.

But I've never understood the appeal of The Hangover series, because it just appears to be the film version of those "lel so random" videos you find on Youtube or wherever.

There is no "Hangover" series. There's one reasonably entertaining film and two abhorrent cash-in follow ups. It's like referencing the "Die Hard" series and pondering its popularity when there was only one film that was ever worth a damn to begin with.

 

[shrekfan246]

There is no "Hangover" series. There's one reasonably entertaining film and two abhorrent cash-in follow ups. It's like referencing the "Die Hard" series and pondering its popularity when there was only one film that was ever worth a damn to begin with.

See, I don't think the one film is worth a damn either, so I lump them all into the same category.



That's just me, though, which is why I figured I might as well bring it up. Out of all the movies I've ever heard of, conceptualized, read about, etc., the only ones I've ever thought "I'm not going to watch these simply on principle" are those three.

 

[Zontar]

The X-men. If you're going to make a series of comic books/shows/movies which are about a group which are hated/feared/discriminated against because of how they where born, don't make it so that said hatred/fear/discrimination is logical and fully justified.

this is secretly a thread about the big bang theory isn't it ?...

captcha says...and i shit you not..."golly jeepers"...which sounds suspiciously like a Sheldon quote...

get out my head ! :s

Ha. I think SFDebris put it right when he called it "Truth in Television or Nerd blackface, you decide". I take it for what it is, a comedy about nerds made by people who aren't, for people who aren't. As much as I love sci-fi, comic books, anime, videogames and pretty much anything with "star" in the title, I never was really close to the archetypes they use in the show (me and my friends are kind of an odd bunch, by looking at us you'd think we where part of the football team, and some of us WHERE part of it, yet at the same time we where the biggest nerds at our high school. Universal appeal and the nerd takeover of culture I guess.)

 

[Casual Shinji]

Pirates of the Caribbean, probably.

The third movie especially. "We must fight for our right and freedom to be pirates, so we can continue to murder, pillage, and rape! Huzzah!"

Also reality soaps. Fuck 'm for destroying the Discovery Channel and National Geographic.

 

[Rellik San]

My big one is the musical; snip.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA finally! Finally!

I hated that goddam show so much. "We don't wanna pay rent! Rent! Rent!" I wanted to choke them all. No one wants to pay rent, you lazy fuckers! You do it because it's the right thing to do! "Early 20's Entitlement Complex: The Musical"..

I wouldn't mind, but I consider myself a very left leaning person politically and even I find this a horde full of entitled, bratty, spoilt kids who need a swift dose of reality.

Seriously if I was that land lord they would have been out on the streets before the 1st act is even over.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I wouldn't mind, but I consider myself a very left leaning person politically and even I find this a horde full of entitled, bratty, spoilt kids who need a swift dose of reality.

Seriously if I was that land lord they would have been out on the streets before the 1st act is even over.

Likewise. I'm so left of center on some issues I can't even SEE center, but that movie incensed me. I honestly cannot comprehend who the intended audience is. Squatters?

 

[Casual Shinji]

"We must fight for our right and freedom to be pirates, so we can continue to murder, pillage, and rape! Huzzah!"

film aside "the pirate code" was real y'know ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_code ) ...rape is near always specifically mentioned as a no, no punishable by death...you need discipline on a ship, no ship ran without "articles" and they were ultimately businessmen of sorts...hell some the greatest of them all were "officially" in the navy...Drake, Morgan...

I'm sure you need discipline to run a crime syndicate too. That doesn't mean they're not very bad people, doing very, very bad things, and by no means heroic characters that we should root for. It was also a no-no to deal drugs in the Italian mob during the "glory days".

 

[TakerFoxx]

The Sword of Truth books. I used to be a fan back in highschool, but the series devolved into nothing but endless author tracts about his philosophical ideas, and the protagonists, who were once likeable, complex characters, also devolved into his perfect Mary/Marty Sues of said philosophy, to the point where the final book was nearly unreadable. It didn't help that a lot of those philosophical ideas were rather repugnant.

 

[Someone Depressing]

Personally, I think with the right storyboarding, music, animation, acting, whatever applies, any concept can be good. John K. (everyone's favourite ego-maniacal faschist, give him a whoop! [sub][sub]I'm kidding I love the man[/sub][/sub]) discusses this in an interview about producing that one episode of Ren and Stimpy where Stimpy gives birth to a fart cloud, but when it dies, he becomes hopelessely depressed.

It ends up being one of the most heart-tugging moments in childrens' animation, full stop.

But a show that pisses me off of a conceptual level.. no, there are several: 6Teen, Total Drama, and Stoked.

The shows can be summarised like this: A group of 16 year olds, who are all sixteen year olds for some reason, parody/satire Canadian animation cliches while being no better than them, usually with horrible, bland animation worse than Family Guy at times and slightly better than Betty Boop post-executive meddling days on its best day, and a concept so painfully Candian that you'll wake up with five rifles, free healthcare, and under a maple tree that's in your house for some reason.

But Total Drama itself is the worst. A bunch of teenagers are put on a game show hosted by a stoner on an issolated island somewhere off the drift of Candialand, and every episode, one of them - on the losing team after a contrived game or something - is booted off the island, often for trivial reasons, because writing is haaaaard (like being attacked by a bear out of nowhere, or not being sexy enough, or wearing a chicken, or picking your nose...)

 

[Thaluikhain]

The X-men. If you're going to make a series of comic books/shows/movies which are about a group which are hated/feared/discriminated against because of how they where born, don't make it so that said hatred/fear/discrimination is logical and fully justified.

Argh, yes. Likewise, True Blood.

It's a show about how gay people are persecuted, instead of gay people, they are vampires who are all rich rapists and murderers out to harm humans for the hell of it. Not to mention what the show did with actual gay people.

...

Also, any show about how great violent crime is. Pirates, drug syndicates, whatever. Or...classy cat burglar types that go round robbing people for the lulz.

 

[Phlogiston]

It's like referencing the "Die Hard" series and pondering its popularity when there was only one film that was ever worth a damn to begin with.

Say what? 1+2 were both on a par although Alan Rickman obviously makes the first that little bit more rewatchable, third one is more than bearable...

then yeah it's a pretty sharp drop off because 50+ yr old actors aren't great in action roles.*

*Notable exception is Sean Connery in the Rock

 

[Adeptus Aspartem]

Basically every show that goes with the premise: We're doing something illegal but work akin to a certain code or live in a certain way so it makes it all ok because we're actually nice people too.

Which includes most gangster, biker etc. shows which mostly just glorify the lifestyle. Can't watch more than an episode of such shows before i've to take a long break.
Also alot of "rawr, revenge!" plots akin to "Life" are often exhausting to watch. The only one who did it right for me was "The Mentalist" because Jane was actually honest about him being an asshole for what he does, but he feels it needs to be done.

 

[Dalisclock]

This is pretty much a self explanatory thread, what show's and movies and musicals and music do you hate so much on the conceptual level that you haven't even seen them and why?

My big one is the musical; Rent.

It's weird you should mention that. I have this ambivalent feeling about Rent in that I enjoy many of the songs, but I really dislike most, if not all of the characters.

 

[Vegosiux]

Reality shows. They can go screw themselves. And I don't care if it's Big Brother or Survivor, or Gordon Fucking Ramsay Swears a Whole Fucking Lot.

Oh, and "(Very loosely) Based on (what might or might not be) a True Story" movies. Seriously, sod that garbage.