Because some women are shallow whores and nothing more. They want attention and think abuse or a douchey boyfriend is the way to get it. Also, women are just walking WTF's sometimes.
Since when was Being a Man Unattractive?
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i understand how you feel
how is being a sexist pig attractive but being chilvarous kind of strange?
although most of the "id do her" or "she asked me out but i was like, no youre a slag" guys are single, have been single for almost all their lives, counting that fling when they were 5.
guys i know in the longest term relationships are nice, kind, sorta weird people
how is being a sexist pig attractive but being chilvarous kind of strange?
although most of the "id do her" or "she asked me out but i was like, no youre a slag" guys are single, have been single for almost all their lives, counting that fling when they were 5.
guys i know in the longest term relationships are nice, kind, sorta weird people
Because a fair percentage of women are psycho and feed on drama and put an overabundance of value on appearances.
Chivalry's quite nice. I have a weak spot for guys who hold doors open for me.
BUT... it bothers me when a guy pays for my meal on a date (I have a good income, probably better than most my age). Not to mention the whole "not cussing" thing. I swear just as much as most of the guys I know... why should I expect someone to hold their tongue? I want to see the actual personality of the guy I'm thinking about dating, not what he thinks my delicate little self can handle.
That being said, I find women who date assholes absolutely idiotic.
BUT... it bothers me when a guy pays for my meal on a date (I have a good income, probably better than most my age). Not to mention the whole "not cussing" thing. I swear just as much as most of the guys I know... why should I expect someone to hold their tongue? I want to see the actual personality of the guy I'm thinking about dating, not what he thinks my delicate little self can handle.
That being said, I find women who date assholes absolutely idiotic.
funnily enough, where I live some girls respect that stuff, and manners count.
Here's a rule of thumb.
If they're wearing more than 1/10th of a centimetre of foundation, they won't appreciate it.
if they spend more than 10 minutes of their time on their hair in the mornings, they won't appreciate it.
Here's a rule of thumb.
If they're wearing more than 1/10th of a centimetre of foundation, they won't appreciate it.
if they spend more than 10 minutes of their time on their hair in the mornings, they won't appreciate it.
Unfortunately, smacking her because she smacked you first won't hold up in court due to the societal double standard. If a woman smacks a man, she's making a statement; if a man retaliates by smacking back, its seen as assault and battery.jasoncyrus said:
most women are just as big of idiots as most men. the key is finding women who are actually worth the time, and the ones who hook up with generic jock #56 or the local hippie of the week aren't. there are good girls out there (from experience i know), you just have to look.
Truth ^coxafloppin said:
What's happened to chivalry? The same thing which has happened to saying 'groovy' and wearing flares; it's died with the passing of generations.
Don't mistake "they like more attractive men" with "they like a-holes".OneBig Man said:
It's not a "chivalry is dead" issue, it's a "women find the same behavior from a guy they're attracted to better" issue. Also, what you describe isn't chivalry, sorry. You're not being gentlemanly or courteous if your intention with being those things is to get brownie points with a girl. You're an asshole who wants to get in her pants, you're just playing a slower (and apparently less effective) game.
I'm not advocating not being a kind person, but you're not being a kind person. A true gentleman (following "true" chivalry) wouldn't need to get a pat on the head (much less a girlfriend) for being "the better guy". And, not for nothing, but why does a girl have to want to date you on that one attribute alone?
Lemme put it this way:
http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=1042
http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp02142004.shtml
http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp02152004.shtml
If you think that "after everything you do" you deserve anything, you're nothing but an emotionally manipulative asshole. Don't complain about the same game you're trying to play, just 'cause you're losing.
I'm not, incidentally, advocating being a jerk, it doesn't help. Jerks are jerks because they can get girls while putting no effort into it. If you're attractive enough, you don't have to work at getting girls. But, for those of us without the bodies of an Adonis, we do have to work harder. My point is that if you're being nice to try to get a girl (whether you say "well, I'm looking for a real relationship" or you admit that if a girl offered meaningless sex, you'd likely take it), you're not being nice. Either play the game to the hilt, and accept that your strategy isn't a winning one most of the time, or stop playing the game.
No one who has said "after everything I do..." hasn't had ulterior motives for what they do. And those ulterior motives make you no better than the jerks you're bemoaning.
totally, we should all agree to leave the trenches because that battle is over now!Wardog13 said:
THIS...MOTHERF@#$$ING THIS!OneBig Man said:
I feel your pain my brother. There was this time I helped this girl and her mother, around the store. Helping and such.
The girl liked me a little and said I was sweet.(Aww
) The mother? she thought I was going to get in her daughter pants.And to qoute the mothe. "Don't trust him, he's like all the other boys."
I kick them out of my aunt store and told them they could go to hell.
My motto? You try to be nice, and it fails? Be a dick.
You're reading it a bit out of context, I didn't say anything like "I get nothing for it, what's the deal?" or "I at least deserve a thank you!" I went on to write that I was raised that way, I don't expect anything for being good mannered, sure it's nice when people appreciate it but it doesn't happen often in today's society.Mr Ink 5000 said:
I gotta ask, was the rest of my post even read in regards to this?
Because you're response was pretty much the short-hand of what I wrote anyway.
*rolls eyes*Zenn3k said:
I like the note of authority in your post, despite having no real evidence to back it up. No research papers, no actual basis for your belief except a half-baked series of pseudo-psychological "facts", and a belief that because you've asked "women" and "players" you must know exactly what's going on.
I wouldn't be surprised if "players" explained their success in terms of being "jerks at the right times", but that's selection bias. You're asking the group you want to analyze to analyze themselves, that's not valid (go talk to a research psychologist, if you'd like confirmation there, or take a statistics class).
So, I hate to tell you, but even if evolutionary psychology were accepted as fact in the psychological fields (rather than being highly debatable) your theory is without foundation. You ignore confounding variables, as well as other possible causal links. It also assumes that all women are the same, which no woman would ever have told you (and I severely doubt one of them would have explained that they chose the "jerk" because he seemed more "dominant").
And, yeah, no, there's no study confirming the "alpha male" thing you claim. And you also misuse the concept of an "alpha male" as used in biology and animal psychology.
To sum up: you've made ridiculous claims without basis in anything even approaching empirical reality, created a posteriori causal argument without the kind of underpinning necessary for it to be logically sound, and you've done it all with an air of authority which makes you sound (at best) like a pompous gasbag, and (at worst) like you honestly don't understand the limitations of your seemingly meager information on the subject (both in terms of psychology and sociology).
If it seems like I'm taking too hard a line here, it's merely because I find statements of "fact" without a basis in real research to be highly questionable, and even a bit irksome. If that counts as flaming, I do apologize.
The real kicker of the whole thing is not only will they ignore us for the assholes, but then they'll turn around and complain about how guys are assholes. *facepalm*
Actually, here's what I think about life: It's a b!%@#, then you get cancer. Then you go into chemotherapy, you lose all your hair. Suddenly, the cancer goes into remission. You look good, you feel good, and then you get a stroke, and you can't move your right side. Then one day, you step off a curb, and get hit by a bus. Then, maybe, you die.hittite said:
XD
Yeah, I know what you mean about the chivalry part. I swear that most (not all, I have seen exceptions) like an a-hole.