"Single player games are still valid" <-WTF!?

[knight steel]

Also, as we all know, giving your game multiplayer AND co-op will make it the next Call of Duty and it will sell 5 million copies. Just wait and see Dead Space 3 do exactly that. Or, y'know, not do that and kill the franchise.
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Dead Space 2 already had tacked on multiplayer and that didnt kill it....at least in this case its optional co-op..so we'll wait and see

because it seems to affect only high-profile AAA games

not always at the expense of good single player tehcnically

but something like that is hard to measure

The campaign in dead space three will have large amounts of content and story plot point's that will only be available if you play coop.

When asked about this in an interview questioning about the people who don't have online connection/don't have gamer friends/like to play alone they answered that was the gamer's fault and that if they wanted all the content that they should nut up stop complaining and get a friend.
It's because of this that I am refusing to get Dead space 3 dispute liking the series instead I plan on simply watching playthroughs.

 

[AsurasEyes]

overall if you want to summary just replace "lemmons" with multiplayer and "life" with "games industry"

This was beautiful. And I completely agree. We need to burn down the game industry's house with single-player games. I miss them, in all honesty. I really do. They were fun as fuck.

 

[Brainwreck]

you know what? -snip-

Gosh darn dangit OP. Capitalize the first letters of your sentences, it feels like I'm reading some stream-of-consciousness shiz.

I guess you're right though. There really isn't a lot to add, other than my agreement that this whole 'single player is for the loner freaks' business is just weird as shit and probably should not be a thing.

 

[Vault101]

The campaign in dead space three will have large amounts of content and story plot point's that will only be available if you play coop.

When asked about this in an interview questioning about the people who don't have online connection/don't have gamer friends/like to play alone they answered that was the gamer's fault and that if they wanted all the content that they should nut up stop complaining and get a friend.
It's because of this that I am refusing to get Dead space 3 dispute liking the series instead I plan on simply watching playthroughs.

scource? I was under the impression that the story would just take a different turn if you were single player, Issac doesnt meet up with whatshisname, which on paper actually sounds better than shoe horning in co-op

kind of like RPG's or mass effect...you do different playthroughs to see all the stuff, granted in DS3's case in the long term it might hurt the game I supose

Yes. Yet another reason for me to never buy another game published by EA ever again.

it always makes me sad when people say that, dont get me wrong, I understand, but I want to suport the devs too

 

[gamernerdtg2]

I came up in the arcades, so I see the value of both. I wasn't a PC gamer at all, and I'm still not. PC gaming with MMO's and all that have made things interesting. I'm not into it, but I see the value.

No way will single player die. It makes no sense...although Pong was multiplayer.

Even if the big companies die, the indie folks may carry on...I'm not worried about it.

I do hear your frustration though.

 

[Irridium]

I just wish games still included bots in their multiplayer modes. Much more fun playing against AI than people. One reason I really liked Black Ops.

Then in Black Ops 2 in order to play with bots and still have the fun of ranking up and unlocking stuff, you need to play with others. What kind of moron thought that was a good idea? Hey, Treyarch, if I want to play with bots, it's because I can't or don't want to play with people. Forcing me to play with people so I can play with bots so I can still rank up won't make me do that, I'll just keep playing the previous game which lets me do that.

Pricks.

 

[darlarosa]

I think this is a fad. What happens is people are mistaking multiplayer for longevity.

Multiplayer is fine, but it doesn't need to be on every game....the thing we should be concerned about is what games are being turned down or altered due to lacking multiplayer

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Yes. Yet another reason for me to never buy another game published by EA ever again.

it always makes me sad when people say that, dont get me wrong, I understand, but I want to suport the devs too

Yeah, I understand that, but at the same time I have no tolerance for shoddy business practices and at this point what use do I have for a publisher who will only publish multiplayer focused games?

 

[Erttheking]

though assasins creed series has had the needless addition of multiplery (arguably at NO cost to their single player...but it does always make me raise my eyebrows)

Just gotta have to say that the Assassin's Creed multilayer is actually pretty good.

 

[ascorbius]

I'm currently playing through Mass Effect 3 (A late comer I know and I've amazingly avoided most of the spoilers) - Apart from one thing, I've heard that in order to get the best ending (and I'm not interested in what the ending is), I have to play the Multi-Player to improve the Galactic Readiness level... in MY single player game? and that it's impossible to achieve without it.... So EVERY Time I Replay, I have to do this Multi-player part? Assuming the servers are even running? They shut Multi-player servers down all the time... My Game for me to play whenever I want relies on a Multiplayer component to get the best ending?

If this is true, I'm going to flip. The ground will shake!

I deliberately don't play multiplayer on my XBOX. It's my "away from people time". My time, my escapism... I don't play COD, or MW or even TF2. Not interested. Give me a good Single player story to tide me over until I have to deal with people again in the real world tomorrow.


Some of my Fav Games:
Skyrim / Oblivion.
Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata
Rez / Child of Eden
Mass Effect 1 & 2 (3 ongoing)
Dragon Age Origins

Not a lot of Multi-Player there... all of them MASSIVE time sinks where I don't have to deal with other people and their baggage.

I can't be alone on this?

 

[StriderShinryu]

To me, this sort of outcry feels very similar to the one involving difficulty and Dark Souls.

Now I will say that I hate EA for its approach to multiplayer and singleplayer. It is because it boldly stated that it won't publish any game if it doesn't feature online multiplayer,basically forcing developers to tack on multiplayer on their games and spend time and resources that could be used on the single player on multiplayer,if the developer wants to see its game published. That kind of blackmailing "ONLINE PASS OR GTFO" is despicable.

they actually said that?...
[img/]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz02ubq94G1qlq2jj.gif[/img]

No, they didn't exactly say that.

As in the news article that was posted here on The Escapist:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/119449-EA-Turns-Its-Back-on-Single-Player-Games

"FIFA is a perfect example - available across 12 different platforms, FIFA fans can check their standings on their mobile device or tablet, manipulate their teams on Facebook or play an immersive game of FIFA on their PC or console. Everything is connected so the user can pick up just where they left off from anywhere," Gibeau explained. "We're deploying similar experiences in our other popular brands over the next year including Madden, Battlefield and SimCity and you'll continue to see more and more of this from EA."

They basically say that they will not publilsh games without some sort of online connectivity. That means, yes, there mught be online multiplayer. It also means that the "online component" may comprise nothing more than the ablity to share game status on Facebook, make use of Cloud save capabilities or include the ability to use statistics based leaderboards. For example, one of the most vaunted single player experiences of last year, The Walking Dead, made use of similar features for comparing your made choices to those made by others who played the game. Online connectivity without online multiplayer.

Note that I'm not saying that there are no examples of multiplayer modes being shoe horned into places where they don't really belong. I'm also not saying that EA isn't behind some examples of that.

 

[Twilight_guy]

I'm mad too, I'm mad because people don't understand the implications of 'everything is multiplayer'. We're moving into an age where even your toilet is hooked up to twitter (whoo joke stealing!) and connectivity is become ubiquitous. That's what 'everything is multipalyer' means. It doesn't mean the big mean corporation is going to take out your single player campaign, it means your Facebook is going to be full of posts saying that you beat level 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, and so on. You can still live in a cave with an unhealthy obsession with single player games (playing games alone too much is unhealthy, don't try and tell me otherwise) but its going to be far more unusual in the future where everyone is constant communication. (Hell that's already true since the internet is a form of communication and people use it all the damn time).

I just generally don't make threads about what makes me mad. I just write passive aggressive responses to said threads.

 

[Zen Toombs]

and palying with friends? well see heres the thing and perhaps the root of my argument....I don't have any friends

...You have me as a friend....

OT: Single player games are TOTALLY still valid, and game developers who think otherwise are silly and dumb.

 

[OneOfTheMichael's]

Maybe, just maybe, we can simple just not give a single damn about what people say about our beloved games and just play the games freely without care or worry.

 

[00slash00]

if i read that a game has a multiplayer focus, i stop reading because thats all i need to determine that the game isnt for me. multiplayer is something that i might spend an hour or two playing if i want to kill some time or have friends who really wanna play with me. i play games to escape reality and get wrapped up in the story

 

[Vault101]

You have me as a friend....

OT: Single player games are TOTALLY still valid, and game developers who think otherwise are silly and dumb.

meat-bag freinds...

Maybe, just maybe, we can simple just not give a single damn about what people say about our beloved games and just play the games freely without care or worry.

the hell are you saying? [b/]this is the internet[/b]

I think this is a fad. What happens is people are mistaking multiplayer for longevity.

thats the hilarious part.....if anything multiplayer kills longevity

You can still live in a cave with an unhealthy obsession with single player games (playing games alone too much is unhealthy, don't try and tell me otherwise)

how is it unhealthy?

 

[Strazdas]

you know what? I'm mad

Again.
Sorry, its just that every topic i see started by you opens with this.

As for the rest of your argument, i have to agree (for the first time?) with this. i want my single-player games to be single-player, not some random wanker69 running around screaming into my ears with his shitty microphone. In my opinion there should be two kind of games, singleplayer and multiplayer. each developed on their own. you know, something that MMOs and online shooters (WOT) do for multiplayer and for example TES series do for singleplayer. And then its up for everybody to decide.
I spend most of my time playing singleplayer. but i do play MMOS. however in MMOs i spend 90% of my time chatting with people and doing that alone. because i play them for the social aspect alone. MMOs are like a modern mirc for me. Its funny when companies boost about how they improved multiplayer and whatnot. i dont care, ill buy a game, play its singleplayer and drop it without even opening the multiplayer option. i dont want multiplayer in those games. exception is for some hotseat games for turn based stuff, like heroes and civilization. gota love sitting with 4 friends playing civilization in hotset working together against a team of AI that are given bonuses to outweigh our human thinking.

Sadly, we are the minority. Multiplayer is pushed for for a reason. most people want that only. if i got a penny for every time i met a person in SAMP whom i had to show where things are because he never played singleplayer and thus never learnt how the game works id be a rich man by now. Most gamers, whether we like it or not, like multiplayer. and thats the sad truth.

And ill be your friend if you want, unless you hold a grudge on me. judging from my posts you probably do, and i dont blame you, im an asshole.

how is it unhealthy?

you start making threads like these.... [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.398558-I-am-F-ing-sick-of-people-justifying-piracy?page=1]
sorry, coulnt resist.

i play games to escape reality and get wrapped up in the story

you can do that in multiplayer. granted, not in every game, but i played games where you get invested into your character and turn this into a wholedifferent universe and other people around encourages it. and it wasnt even a MMO. its just a matter of community really. if you got real life threads (aka LOL style) of course this wotn work, but there are games where it will. But i do agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Vault101]

Sadly, we are the minority. Multiplayer is pushed for for a reason. most people want that only. if i got a penny for every time i met a person in SAMP whom i had to show where things are because he never played singleplayer and thus never learnt how the game works id be a rich man by now. Most gamers, whether we like it or not, like multiplayer. and thats the sad truth.

I wouldnt say that just yet.....

aside from the popularoty of skyrim and the relitive popularity of stuff like Deus ex and dishonoured (its sad I have to stop and think to pick out games with no multi) its seems alot of games may have multiplayer but its not the same focus, I HIGHLY doubt the main draw of the assasins creed franchise is multiplayer...in fact I find it amusing that a story driven primaryly single player game is one of the "big cash cows", I could even say aside from COD I can't think of many games that dont have a decent single player aspect....even if multiplayer is getting shoved in like a "frankensteined" extra limb

 

[Twilight_guy]

You can still live in a cave with an unhealthy obsession with single player games (playing games alone too much is unhealthy, don't try and tell me otherwise)

how is it unhealthy?

Doing anything too much is unhealthy. That's obvious. It's especially a problem with games though since people have become addicted tot hem and, as if any other obsession, separated from the world from the world. Aside from that extreme case, Playing games alone exclusively means that a person is alone for longer and has less time to interact with others. In excess, that can be a bad thing even if it doesn't reach an unhealthy level. Being a hermit doesn't make you a bad person but it does limit your life p[potential and solitary activities in excess become being a hermit. That's my point is that, bashing any multiplayer and praising exclusively single player is a step below saying human interaction is bad. There has to be a grey area.