Skyrim is bad and overrated(change my opinion)

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AuronFtw

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I play skyrim because the modding community lets you make the game whatever you want it to be. Don't like the default skill trees? Skyrim Redone/Perkus Maximus. Want more worldly immersion? Grahpics overhaul for trees, grass, water, rocks and towns... hi-res road signs, even mods that add chimneys to every building that has a fireplace. Want harder combat? Deadly Combat, Ultimate Combat, or Duel - Combat Realism... and add on a light sprinkling of Combat Evolved for even more difficulty. Want Dragons and wild bears to kick your ass? Throw on some Dragon Combat Overhaul or Animal Tweaks. Don't like realism? Add anime/jrpg armors and weapons, npc hireling waifus, and mods that crank the bloom up to make the game feel videogamey. Want guns? Add project flintlock rifle. Want magic to be fucking amazing? Try Perkus Maximus (mentioned above) or a magic-dedicated overhaul such as Simple Magic Overhaul, Forgotten Magic Redone, Invested Magic, Smartcast, Empowered Magic... the list goes on. Want the athletics system from Morrowind, where running and jumping levels up your ability and lets you run longer, jump higher, and even unlock perks like running across water? Throw in Athletics Training. Want to roleplay as Corvo from Dishonored? There's a mod that adds all the Dishonored spells, another for his mask, and another for an animated folding steel rapier. Want a totally absurd experience? Give mudcrabs tophats and monocles or turn dragons into flying Macho Man Randy Savage. Throw in lightsabers while you're at it. For real - all of these actually exist.

I mean, shit. There's basically no end to what you can do with it. If you seriously can't make Skyrim fun with the tens of thousands of mods available, the problem is you, not Skyrim.

That said, vanilla skyrim is... pretty bad. One of the "required" mods that nearly everyone runs is unofficial patches to fix hundreds(/thousands) of bugs Bethesda couldn't be bothered with. Without them, even going through the story mode will often find you with game-halting bugs that you have to dig through console commands to fix. The skill trees are somewhat redundant, magic is a weak shitfestival not worth speccing into, and it's "sorta pretty" but it's not 10/10 amazeballs. Even on the hardest setting, combat is a joke; dragons and wild animals are very weak and require no strategy. In that regard, Skyrim is far worse than past legendary games such as Baldur's Gate 2 or Planescape: Torment, which were fucking amazing out of the box and modding simply made them more amazing. Skyrim follows Oblivion's lead; the games are shitfestivals out of the box and absolutely need mods to be any fun at all. And, as mentioned above, the collection of mods you throw in will vastly alter your gameplay experience. But if you can't make them fun at all, you simply aren't trying hard enough. You should probably go back to Baby's First RPGs like Fable or Dragon Age.

I just threw together a collection of 180 mods not long ago and started taking screenshots, you can view 'em here [http://imgur.com/a/qxKgQ]. It's pretty much like playing a movie.
 

Ihateregistering1

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I think it's hysterical that Skyrim is almost 4 years old now, and people are STILL talking about it constantly, and it's not even a MMORPG. There really aren't too many games you can say that about.

Anyway, in my opinion the vanilla game is just ok, but with mods it's absolutely incredible, you can basically do whatever the hell you want with it. It just improves everything.
 

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See, that's the funny thing. I agree with all your points, yet I love this game so much, and so do many others.

Not everything is perfect. I could point out dozens of flaws in Mass Effect 2, one of the most beloved games out there, and one of my personal favorites.

The real question is why you "managed to finish the main campaign, the civil quest, dark brotherhood basically every side quest-line", and yet you think it's "bad".
 

Tilly

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Feels like Skyrim was really one of those games that you needed to play on release to appreciate the hysteria. Bit like Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy 7.

It was just such a step-up in terms of sheer scale that I think a lot of us kinda fell in love with that level of immersion. Now that games like GTA5 have come along, it doesn't really look as good in retrospect. I imagine Witcher 3, Xenoblade X, FF15 and Zelda U will probably all surpass it quite significantly.
 

Sleepy Sol

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Nah man. I've got better things to spend my time on than trying to change someone's opinion on the internet right now.
 

bug_of_war

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Congratulations, you're exactly one half of all the people who played Skyrim. Fuck, not even ME3 lasted this long...
 

baddude1337

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Can't dissuade you because I agree with you. Only think that made Skyrim enjoyable for me is mods. Didn't like any of the armour or weapon designs, companions, quests.... The list goes on. Thankfully modders have added plenty of the stuff, even fixed the awful UI to be useable with K + M. Basically, get mods you want to improve it.
 

JohnZ117

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Walk into one of the taverns and listen to this: If you don't at least like the game afterwards, you have no soul.
 

Denamic

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"I think [Popular Thing] is overrated." Yes, you're very unique. The solution is pretty simple; don't play it. It's fine to not like things. There is no need to go online and complain about everything you don't enjoy.
 

Imperioratorex Caprae

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Change your opinion? Why should I care? I like Skyrim, and beyond that other folk's opinion of the game do not affect whether I like it or not. I don't know you, don't know what your likes/dislikes are and such and am not invested. The reason I'm replying is just to point out that there's a baiting edge to your post that I'm suspecting that no one can actually say anything to change your opinion.
You're well within your rights to dislike the hell out of Skyrim for its flaws, which there are many, and many of which can be fixed with mods... if you're not playing on console.
Beyond that, well I doubt your opinion is going to change no matter what anyone says, me least of all. So enjoy my lack of doing anything you asked.
*shrug* I guess it just seems odd whenever someone posts something with the "change my opinion" challenge. Opinions are notoriously hard to change. However if your asking someone to explain something that you don't understand, and don't have all the facts for or have a lot of totally wrong information about, that is easier to do and in my view much more worthwhile than trying to change your opinion on anything.
 

RedDeadFred

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While you make a lot of valid points, several of them can be solved with mods. I don't know how to change your opinion on quests not being fun.... To me, they are. There are some fetch quests, but most of those are the really tiny things in the miscellaneous section.

For me, Skyrim is about being in an immersive world and being able to explore it. I disagree that the world is too spread out. It's not just dungeons that are spread across the land, there's plenty of forts, camps, settlements, and other small things all over. There's also lots of wild life and random events that help add life to the word. Honestly, I'd prefer it to be even more spread out. This seems to be your biggest complain with the game and for most people who enjoy the game, this is one of their favourite parts. Seems like the game really isn't for you.

I'm not sure what you mean by bad writing. Does a lack of humor equal bad writing for you? I won't disagree with you, the only humor in the game are some of the more ridiculous glitches. The thing is, a bunch of humor in the game wouldn't really fit the tone of the world. If by bad writing, you mean you just didn't find the quest lines particularly interesting, well that's a valid point. I disagree. For me, the only uninteresting questline was the civil war.

Anyway, combat, animation, and physics are all things that I completely agree with you on (though I do love stealth, even it it is completely over powered), but mods can fix those all to a pretty great extent.

Ultimately, just because Skyrim is a very popular game, it doesn't mean it's perfect (no game is) and you shouldn't feel like you need to get people to change your mind. Different people like different games. Go play something you actually like.
 

IamLEAM1983

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As others have said, it's just a game. We don't have to or need to change your opinion, it's your opinion. As in, it's not ours to change. If, on the other hand, you'd stated that you were looking to give the game a second chance, there would've been some sort of discussion value involved. As you haven't done that, we're left feeling that we're talking to a brick wall.

As for Skyrim having terrible writing and plot, I'd say you're half-right and half-wrong. The text strings associated to quest progression don't make for a riveting experience, true enough - but the Elder Scrolls series excels in giving you lore to peruse. There's hundreds of pages on offer, several regional guides and short stories, and there's even cases where reading books is the only available means of progress. You haven't read of or stumbled upon the legend of Red Eagle? Unless you accidentally trigger a quest by wandering into the correct areas, then you won't get to become involved in that particular story. Deep down, games in the Elder Scrolls series are made for people who like to read, to take their time digesting the universe they're in. If you're in it for the gameplay or for the sake of minmaxing yourself an Argonian in as little time as possible, then you won't get so much as a third of the potential enjoyment.

It's as much a strength of the series as it's a weakness. They're giving you an entire world to canvas, but that means the central plotline pales in comparison to the rest. The sense of urgency is inevitably lost. That's why you felt the plot and dialogue felt weak - you're never pressured into giving any credence to the narrative's tone.

The same could be said of your criticisms regarding animation. Bethsoft designed on a macro-scale, so the micro-scale has to suffer for it. As their focus has always been massive open-ended RPGs, they'll implement better animations on a progressive basis. Compare Skyrim to Oblivion, for instance, and you'll realize they've come a long way.

As for the game not having fun or humorous quests, I'd like to know if you dabbled in the Daedric questlines... If you did, did you encounter a gentleman going by the name of Sam Guevenne? If you haven't, head up to Whiterun a few hours into the game, once you're around Level 7 or 8... You're in for a fun ride. The same applies to the Pelagius wing of the Blue Castle in Solitude, as well as to a fairly unique dog you might encounter along the Southern roads...

Skyrim isn't focused on being humorous, but the game's sidequests contain plenty of lighter fare to balance out the central narrative's initially bleak story. You just have to look for them. Honestly, the fact that the game doesn't go for constant tongue-in-cheek entertainment makes the more humorous bits pop out from the rest. Most Daedric questlines are better tackled at the end of a play session, I think - as a kind of off-kilter treat to yourself. They're a great way to book-end an hour or two spent playing.

Above all, Skyrim isn't meant to be shelved and forgotten. You don't "one-hundred-percent" Skyrim, or else you'd go nuts. It's meant to be revisited at your leisure and at your own pace.
 

Doom972

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Why do you need us to change your opinion? There are plenty of other games out there. If you don't see the appeal about 30 minutes after making your character, this game probably isn't for you.
 

MHR

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Yeah, the quests and story suck. Everyone knows that, I'm not even gonna argue with you. But it's like saying the campaign of one of these multiplayer shooters is generic and boring. That stuff isn't the main attraction. Those shooters are about the multiplayer, and Skyrim is about the exploration and immersion that you don't get in other games. The stories and experiences you have are going to be better than the quest lines fed to you in the game anyway, like that unbeatable toll troll blocking you on the way to the greybeards mountains (It vastly overleveled me at the time and caught me off guard) or that one time a butterfly picked up your companion on its back and flew them around. And then there are all the mods.

-Physics and animation, who cares? I've never played a game and saw a janky animation or a plate fly accross the room for no reason and think "this game is less fun for me now," so I can't say anything about that for you.

-Sounds like the combat is too easy for you. Combat can't be boring if you crank that shit up to a higher difficulty. Running up and axing it a question becomes a lot harder, and all of a sudden you have to be doing things like dodging and sneaking and thinking.

-Travel times and lack of focused gameplay? Really? You realize part of the point of Skyrim is that there's a big world to explore and free-roam. Not knowing where the road is and getting lost is almost a bonus. Once you've been to a place once, you can fast travel there again all you want. Are you telling me that having to run/ride there once is too big a gameplay investment for you? Skyrim just isn't your game pal. The whole game is about the journey, not the destination; and if you really disagree on that point, then I don't need to change your mind, you've provided clear enough evidence for all of us to know the score here and not have to agonize over the post-game replays.

I'd say more, but these other ninjas obviously gave it more thought than I did, so there. Skyrim is one of the best games I've ever played, but even so when I'm in the deepest trenches of my fanboism moments even I realize that, "Hey, probably not everyone is going to appreciate running loot back to their house 100 times trying to make a homemade singularity in their bedroom trunk, but I do because I'm crazy." I think the different strokes for different folks thing really applies here, and I'm the kind of person that's usually against wishy-washy all-encompassing appeasement opinions and that kind of bullshit, but this time it's true. I don't know if the game is for you. But what I do know is that you don't scream your way up to the greybeards place, slap them around, and try to get the main game done as quickly as possible to milk the best gameplay experience you can out of a game like Skyrim, and then call it "done." That's doing it wrong.

Captcha: For keeps

Damn right captcha. Gotta loot everything I can!
 

SneakyBastard

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Skyrim is great at being what it's supposed to be. If you're looking for a game with great story then you're playing the wrong game:D
 

GabeZhul

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AuronFtw said:
That said, vanilla skyrim is... pretty bad. One of the "required" mods that nearly everyone runs is unofficial patches to fix hundreds(/thousands) of bugs Bethesda couldn't be bothered with.
This is something people keep bringing up and I keep shaking my head at it. It's not that Bethesda "couldn't be bothered with" fixing the bugs, it's that they literally couldn't fix all the bugs. Skyrim is not a linear game. It's not like a couple of hours long shooter that a playtester can finish in an afternoon and can report on, there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of hours worth of content there. On top of that, every person plays it differently, which means an almost infinite combination of variables and scripts that could conflict each other, and no playtester brigade could find all-- Hell, even a fraction of them! In fact I was pretty damn impressed the game even functioned as well as it did.

As for the complaints in the OP... I don't think there is anything I could add. You are entitled to your opinion; no one can change it but you; your complaints are legitimate but most people don't really care because they focus on different aspects; yada-yada; yada-yada.

Also, mods. There are mods for everything and I can pretty much guarantee you can find something you liked no matter how unusual or lore-unfriendly. Case in point, lately I have been playing around with BDSM related stuff from Loverslab, and while the sex aspect mostly leaves me cold (I have porn for "that", thank you very much), I can't help but marvel at the ingenuity of the modders and the new and weird roleplaying options it provides me (my last character was a female altmer mage completely dedicated to conjuration and illusion, always staying invisible and surrounding herself with multiple summoned/hired companions because of a crippling fear of getting into close-combat and being raped... what other game lets you roleplay THAT?)
 

MHR

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> Sees post above
> Post is using dashes instead of meme arrows to seem less obnoxious
> SMH
 

MHR

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The point of meme arrows is to be obnoxious and hard on the eyes.

Not everyone has the bridge-dwelling spirit I suppose. I guess it's just not for you m8. ;)
 

ForumSafari

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Why would I care what your opinion of a game I like is? You're nothing to me and you're nothing to anyone else on this forum.