Skyrim truly looks outdated and average

[Arina Love]

don't care about AI. i going to play on easiest difficulty anyway.

 

[Qitz]

Wait....isn't this just recycled video from QuakeCon with new VO? So it's not even anywhere NEAR the product it is now.

Yeah, I'm fairly certain it's QuakeCon's Demo footage. At least the first one is so far.

 

[Ritalynn]

Someone picking apart an E3 Demo............ This person has serious issues. No lie. They seem like the kind of person who just walks around unhappy all the time and just finding flaws in everything.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

le snip

I know, it's almost like it was an alpha build that's been being improved for months. Crazy.

You could say exactly the same thing with Fallout NV but we still saw and had some major bugs and still some bad gameplay now didn't we?

Obsidian made Fallout Vegas not Bethesda. :/ So no we can't say exactly the same thing.

I am well aware f that i was referring to games that come out with bugs in general

 

[RobCoxxy]

At least they've developed a new engine for it.
*cough*
Call of Duty
*cough*

 

[Hashime]

You obviously are not playing it on the computer then. Oblivion looks better than the 360 version of skyrim with even the most basic mods.

 

[Takolin]

Wait....isn't this just recycled video from QuakeCon with new VO? So it's not even anywhere NEAR the product it is now.

Yeah, I'm fairly certain it's QuakeCon's Demo footage. At least the first one is so far.

It's both the QuakeCon and E3 footage seeing they were the same but then in HD.

And I still want the game.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Eh, they are flaws I can accept and still have fun. I am glad I already paid for this game.

 

[Jnat]

"If this with goty"
Oh it will, even how much it sucks (if it sucks).

 

[ChickenZombie]

I have just watched the gameplay videos for Skyrim and I am nothing but underwhelmed.

PART 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2_msV2gGJQ
PART 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7PMYnjGD6g
PART 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAB2QGna_g

First of all, the AI.
Watch from 0:25 of part 2, as the enemy's friend is killed right in front of him, he reacts by putting his fists up and staring at the wall behind his friend's dead body, not looking around, not thinking "Hmm, I do wonder where that sure looking arrow came from" but instead he effectively challenges the cave wall to a duel and is taken advantage of by the player, some would technically call this broken gameplay; Immersion null.

Now watch 3:07, Mr Deathlord is obviously smashing through that wall there, not for fun, but with the sole intention of smashing the said player with his rather large axe.
He smashes through, then stands still for two seconds, also perplexed by the wall in front of him, perhaps the AI is so smart that it is amazed by the visuals you say? I think not.

Not only does this skeletal chap have a stupid AI system working against his favour, but he also appears to be some kind of ghost or spirit, the player slashes and stabs with his blade and the guy doesn't seem to move or react at all to this.

Sigh.. now on to a hilarious one I saw (i'm sure you all noticed this one, but subconciously forgot about it due to it's absolute outrageousness) watch part 3, about 1:17, Mr Giant looms toward the player, swinging his axe (which barely makes the player move when hit) and is then picked up by a passing dragon, and dropped to his embarassing death, watch how the giant just freezes as he is falling (very slowly) to his death, not rotating, not flipping, not even cursing the dragon as he is pulled by the unrealistic gravity of the oh so wonderful Bethesda's Creation engine, another enemy lost in the midst of Bethesda's bugs.

Skyrim's AI looks basically identical to Oblivion as well as the physics, which basically means the new Elder Scrolls is stuck in the past, if this wins Game Of The Year, then it will be a sad time for gaming.

That being said, I should smooth this thing out with some good points about the game:

The dragons are very good.
Combining spells, that will entertain me.

What with the resources, money, staff, expertise and experience Bethesda has at it's disposal, I am saddened that so many of you will accept less than near perfection from this now obviously flawed developer.

dude... this game isn't even out. It's bound to have bugs. When the big guy got picked up, an animation wasnt even played. But the rest of the videos do look great. I think you are being too critical

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

So skyrim looks like shit to you because it doesn't have brilliant AI and a great physics engine? Those aren't really the things that have made past bethesda games exceptional.

Also the only example you gave of bad AI that I'll aknowledge as valid is the first one. Looking at the other times the skeleton dudes come out of the the walls it seems like they were previously dormant inside the walls. He senses something is wrong, wakes up smashes out, and then takes out his axe and charges the player almost immediately. Are you seriously going to make that big a deal out of a one second delay between just coming out of a wall and taking out a massive axe? Because realistically that's pretty good reaction time for somebody that just woke up.

Also the giant getting grabbed by the dragon could probably be done a little bit better, but still it looks fine. Ok he goes a little bit stiff when the dragon grabs him but I would think that you would probably be paralyzed with fear if something 3 times your size rammed its claws into you at 70-100 miles per hour and flew into the sky with you. The dragon drops him as it flies pretty much straight up with him so it's not really something that would throw off ones center of gravity. He wouldn't flip around, he would pretty much balance out to like a limp skydiving position sort of similar to how he did, assuming that he lost consciousness or died when it grabbed him.

Also what are you saying that it looks average compared to? Because it looks miles better than other recent fantasy RPGs like The Witcher II and Dragon age II.

 

[trsmassive]

i agree with you, but your acting like this type of thing isn't ubiquitous among gaming.
lately A.I. improvements have taken a back seat to graphical improvements, or should i say "fidelity improvements" considering the most praised and lionized games are more brown then the turds i leave in the bowl and just as entertaining and engaging.

I do agree that this happens a lot of the time in other games, but the point I am making is Bethesda have apparently put so much time and energy into this game yet the AI is still at a very unrealistic level; I am surprised that these gameplay videos were even released after the huge amount of hype there is.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

The game hasn't even been released yet you guys have already went from "It'll be GotY 2011" to "It'll be fucking shit, Bethesda are always fucking shit". Honestly guys, you only ever seem to agree with the OP.

How is that different from how the community reacts to every game ever?

Usually people wait till there's at least a demo before that reaction. Plus Skyrim, everyone's been waiting for it for years, you'd think there'd be some leeway granted.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Good for you OP, someone has to be the buzzkill.

I, however, will be playing the shit out of it.

 

[TheDarkKing]

Wait....isn't this just recycled video from QuakeCon with new VO? So it's not even anywhere NEAR the product it is now.

Yeah, I'm fairly certain it's QuakeCon's Demo footage. At least the first one is so far.

Yeah, I think its the (full) QuakeCon footage, which was (I think) recorded like 2 or 3 months ago, and I'm pretty sure that they fixed most of those bugs since then... Still looks like an amazing game, and I loved Oblivion and Morrowind, even though they weren't perfect.

 

[trsmassive]

People who get so hung up on small details are pessimists. People who make threads like this are the miserable and pathetic kind of pessimists who feel the need to spread their misery to others. Well let me tell you something: I'm going to enjoy this game thoroughly and there's nothing you can do about it. If this game isn't good enough for you than nothing is, apparently. You must like playing video games because it gives you something to complain about, because nothing could possibly live up to your ridiculously high standards.

Insulting and judging me because of my standards is simply negative and pessimistic in itself, I enjoy games, I love games, but I also want them to keep progressing the best they can, if you despise me and my "kind"; then simply don't come into threads which criticise glaring faults in games that we try to love.

 

[castlewise]

Well, I don't care about graphics and am happy my computer won't get it up the bum this time.

i don't think you get what hes complaining about...
its the window-licking, wall-hugging, shortbus-riding retarded A.I. hes frustrated with.

Shrug. AI is hard. I mean, like computer science PhD hard. You can always hire some computer monkey to add more polygons to your models or pixels to your textures. Its a safe investment.

Edit: Let me put it this way. As games we won't be happy with the AI in our games until they pass the Turing Test, in a sense. You want your AI to play as well (or better) than a competent Human player. That's asking a fair bit.

 

[trsmassive]

Yeah. Whatever the hell. We've gone from nitpicking every new release to death to nitpicking games that haven't even come out yet. I imagine I'm going to play it, and I imagine it will be buggy and less than perfect, and I imagine I'll have a great old time all the same.

I never really understood this stampede to be the first to declare that you don't like something popular. Congratulations at your inability to take pleasure in something that makes a lot of people perfectly happy. Me, I wish I liked everything. I'm sad when I don't like things. I'm especially sad when I don't like something popular, because I assume I'm missing out. All not liking things has ever accomplished for me is to deny me pleasure. Woot woot. Where can I sign up to not like the next thing?

I want games to progress, games of today should not have the quality of games made yesterday.

 

[trsmassive]

Also: We all's postin' in a troll thread.

I am not trolling.