'Slut' Parade

[Terminal Blue]

Actually, if you had bothered to read the thread, you would notice the debate is about their assertion that most rape victims have had sex with their attacker.

Well, considering that the person who is likely to rape you is your partner, and a large number of rapes involve repeated incidents, particularly when children are involved.

The jury is actually out on the 'most', it depends a lot on the reporting rates which are largely speculative, but it's reasonable to assume that spousal rape is undereported compared to 'stranger rape' due to the fact that it only recently became recognized as a crime at all.

Misconceptions only hurt everyone, and the fact that is whether it's technically 'most' or not, you're far more likely to be raped by a partner than a random stranger. It's still rape, it's still horrible, it still counts.

 

[Hive Mind]

"spent the night with each other" meant they have spent time with each other. I was directly talking about people who are raped after going out to bars.

So now you're stating most rapes occur to individuals who go to bars? Considering the majority of rapes occur upon individuals too young to enter a bar, I'ma need a good explanation and a few sources for that.

 

[Cali0602]

Also, I thought this thread said "Slut Panda"
Am I weird for being disappointed that it isnt'? >.>

I too was anticipating some slut panda, or an article about how a particular female panda is propagating their race better than other pandas. But since this isn't a thread for that. Let's talk about the article:

Three points:
1. Terrible words to come from a police officer, Canadian or not.
2. Noble cause for women to rally under. I see what they're trying to do and I wish them the best of luck with it. Give 'em hell.
3. Ridiculously terrible execution. Flamboyant and outlandish methods are not the best way to "reclaim the word" or redefine its use. "Slutwalks" are not going to make people take the issue seriously. In fact, I think it detracts from the real goal.

Recommendation:
Perhaps they should get people to understand why they wear what they wear and what it means to them. That would be a good start.

 

[SillyBear]

"spent the night with each other" meant they have spent time with each other. I was directly talking about people who are raped after going out to bars.

So now you're stating most rapes occur to individuals who go to bars? Considering the majority of rapes occur upon individuals too young to enter a bar, I'ma need a good explanation and a few sources for that.

Haha, I can see you are being facetious now. No, no I was not saying that. That was simply the subject of our discussion.

 

[SillyBear]

Actually, if you had bothered to read the thread, you would notice the debate is about their assertion that most rape victims have had sex with their attacker.

Well, considering that the person who is likely to rape you is your partner, and a large number of rapes involve repeated incidents, particularly when children are involved.

The jury is actually out on the 'most', it depends a lot on the reporting rates which are largely speculative, but it's reasonable to assume that spousal rape is undereported compared to 'stranger rape' due to the fact that it only recently became recognized as a crime at all.

Misconceptions only hurt everyone, and the fact that is whether it's technically 'most' or not, you're far more likely to be raped by a partner than a random stranger. It's still rape, it's still horrible, it still counts.

Evilthecat, don't worry, the debate is not about the assertion that most rape victims have had sex with each other. He has drawn this from his own bizarre understanding of conversation and no one thinks this apart from him.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.282803-Slut-Parade?page=15#11109360

That is my post that has stirred him up so strangely. See if you can do any better explaining the importance of context to him.

 

[Wondermint13]

...I honestly don't think after this anyone can ask me why I hate the human race.

My thoughts exactly.

OT: Sluts have a place in the world. But not in my bed.

 

[Legion]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Yes, yes they should.

It is still a rather immature way of going about it though. It'd be better to simply state what you did in the last sentence.

 

[Hive Mind]

"spent the night with each other" meant they have spent time with each other. I was directly talking about people who are raped after going out to bars.

So now you're stating most rapes occur to individuals who go to bars? Considering the majority of rapes occur upon individuals too young to enter a bar, I'ma need a good explanation and a few sources for that.

Haha, I can see you are being facetious now. No, no I was not saying that. That was simply the subject of our discussion.

No, I'm simply asking for proof of your claims - some sort of evidence that backs up your opinion in some way. If you do not wish to provide it, that is fine. Sad that you assume I have some other purpose beyond wanting actual facts in the topic of rape - something that has affected me personally.

Also, your exact words were that the majority of rapes occur upon someone who knows their attacker and who "Spent the night at bars with [the attacker] before they go home together." So your claim of "No, no I was not saying that. That was simply the subject of our discussion," doesn't fit.

 

[Ericb]

It would be, but I still doubt you could pull it off. Some people are still going to have the belief that women who are promiscuous are "immoral", "bad", etc and use slut as negative insult. Creating an entirely different word would be much easier because you'd separate people who have the former belief from those who think a women being promiscuous isn't a big deal.

Now what this word would be, I have no idea, someone come up with something that could become popular.

just to add to this. Remember how African Americans reappropriate the N word, but still the word carries heavy negative connotations when used by a white person? It's still offensive. Reappropriation just means that the group doing the reappropriating can use it, not that it loses it's bigoted sting.

I get that, but just the fact that the gay community managed to succeed almost completely with the word "queer" stil means that i could be not. Better than not trying at all.

Not that there are not people who still use it in a offensive tone, but when it got to the point that it was used in a tv series, might be a statement to a success in that regard.

Anyway, the n-word example is pretty good though, some words are more hate-charged than others. I still stand for trying to flip as many of them as one has the patient too.

Just to clarify, I don't use either the n-word nor "slut" in regular conversation, thought the idea of flipping them still sounds great to me. Language is a reflexion of thought and to transform its meanings will eventually change overall thoughts behind it.

But your comments are very realistic and I always hope that anyone fighting for change always take them seriously in order to avoid being overly idealistic.

 

[Hive Mind]

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There's more 'date rape' than 'penis ambush' in the world. What about that are you finding so hard to understand?

Your attitude and language in this post are disgusting and immature. You didn't even provide any references or sources. Also, we have already established that the majority of rapes occur upon children.

Please, do some research before flinging mud and attempting to insult others.

I thought you might be able to understand the little words. Obviously not.
Other escapists, I apologise for feeding this one.

Does this post have a point? Beyond childish attempts at insult and an apparent arrogance, there is nothing to this post of worth and it fails completely to contribute to the discussion at all.

 

[Sethzard]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Yes, yes they should.

It is still a rather immature way of going about it though. It'd be better to simply state what you did in the last sentence.

People have said that before but it has made no difference. This has at least got people's attention.

 

[Jackle_666]

If you believe that a woman deserves to be raped for the clothes she wears just because its what men do when they see slutty clothing, then your hatred for both sides of humanity is sickening.

It's like telling the west not to be so capitalist so the Muslim extremists don't bomb you.

 

[Dott]

In theory, you should be able to run around naked without a fear of being raped.

 

[GraveeKing]

Oh dear god what.
"Don't tell us what not to wear, tell men not to rape."
I honestly have no idea what to think of all this stuff, but I find it bloody awesome and highly amusing at the same time. The irony of it is beautiful!

 

[Kargathia]

Aaaahh.... I love the smell of heated nitpicking in the morning. Smells like.... bacon.

Let's simplify, shall we?

Let's say that either we force every woman out there to wear a burka, or something else that'll automatically kill any boner in her vicinity.

Or we quit the whole preconception that if the victim was sexy she probably was "asking for it", and actually treat them accordingly to what happened to them, reducing all the extra trauma added when victims have to suffer these bullshit ideas from police and peers.

This does sound heartless, but quite frankly it'd be an improvement to stop even considering the possibility that clothing has anything to do with it - even if that possibly does lead to a very slight increase of rapes happening.

The issue is though, that slut has never meant anything else and it would still mean the same thing, they just don't want the negative connotation that comes with it. This is not an issue with grammar but with societies view on girls who sleep about and I doubt some silly protest will change that, especially when biology would disagree with them.

and what exactly does biology say about society's view of women who sleep about?

The thing that women should be pickier in their partners because they're the one with the most investment (getting pregnant for 9 months, caring for a toddler for a couple more years).

Can we please remember that homosexuality in a biological sense is even more wasteful? If we can slowly get our heads out of our asses on that topic, can we also try to do that when it concerns judging your neighbours sex drive in an age of contraception?

 

[Jonluw]

Yeah, I see how the police officer was in the wrong (Though in my opinion he only worded himself poorly), but I don't see why women would want the word 'slut' to stop having negative connotations.
It's always meant what it does, and it's always referred to a person (normally a woman) who has sexual relations without going through the proper procedures decided by social norm beforehand.
Protesting won't change that. Rather, they should work to keep women with a liberal sexuality from being called sluts.

 

[Sunrider]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Looks like they've missed the point too.
There was a thread on a similar topic recently, so I'll just re-post what I put there for my thoughts on the topic:

A guy is walking through a rough neighbourhood waving a wad of cash around, and he gets mugged.
Now, obviously the one who mugged the guy is in the wrong 100%. That was illegal, and he should be punished.
And the guy should have the right to wave around money as much as he wants without fear of being attacked and robbed. But it's a naive and dangerous game to play. Ideally, I should be able to leave my doors unlocked, my keys in my car, and my money on my counter. But it's asking for trouble if I do any of those things.

Again, not my fault if someone robs me. I have the right to leave my door unlocked, my money out, and my keys in my car. But, at the risk of sounding redundant, it's dangerously naive to do any of those things.

A thousand times this.

In a perfect world, they should be able to do anything they want within the boundaries of the law, but this is far from a perfect world.

Don't get me wrong, I do support them in their cause, and I want what they want just as much as they do ("slutty"-looking girls everywhere instead of covered-up girls? Yes please!), but that's not gonna happen, because the guy intent on raping them is not going to listen to reason.
As I said, I do support them and wish them the best of luck, but they are fighting a losing battle.