'Slut' Parade

[Jimbo1212]

The issue is though, that slut has never meant anything else and it would still mean the same thing, they just don't want the negative connotation that comes with it. This is not an issue with grammar but with societies view on girls who sleep about and I doubt some silly protest will change that, especially when biology would disagree with them.

and what exactly does biology say about society's view of women who sleep about?

Not societies view, but natures view. Women are not meant to sleep around because they can get pregnant where as men do not have this issue hence testicle sizes, emotional attachments etc. Yes, we now have contraception, but for that to evolve out is going to take a very long time...if every.

 

[matt87_50]

WHERE!!!! WHEREEEREREREE!?!?!??!??

ahhh, this ole chestnut again... I brought up the same thing not to long ago and got shot down by a bunch of idiots...

yes, 'slut' was a poor choice of word.

no wait, no it wasn't it was a perfect choice, short, simple, universally understandable... everyone knows exactly what it is, because women AIM to do it... this of course does not mean they ARE a slut, or have any intention of having sex, or even being hit on... some of them aren't even doing it to tease, or even be noticed by men... its just what everyones doing...


if a gas station gets held up by a guy with a bat, and then the police suggest that the station should get a security mesh at the counter...

the store owner doesn't get up in arms saying "what??? are you saying I ASKED to be robbed by not having one??? that its all my fault?? this is an outrage!!!"

no, he doesn't, because he's not a ****ing moron... obviously the cop doesn't mean that, he is simply stating the harsh reality that if you get the inconvenient screen, it will help protect you from robberies...

obviously there are others, like cops fining you for going 1 over the speed limit, or for being on your mobile phone while driving... yes its annoying, hell, abstaining from these things will probably make little difference! to you, worth the risk!

but you HAVE to understand the point of view of the police officer... while the worst case consequence of not doing everything to protect yourself might be one in a million to you, they are consequence these officers see and deal with 24/7...

their perspective is skewed. right up to the point where it DOES happen to us... then it won't seem skewed at all...

women, STFU we get it, we know its not your fault if you are raped, in any way, this is obvious to everyone, you don't have to keep telling us, and I am sure they are doing everything else in their power to stop it happening. Listen to the advice, its entirely up to you whether you take it or not, but it is nothing but GOOD, HONEST, FACTUAL advice by a man WHO ONLY wants to help.

 

[KLJT]

I find the poster interesting when fighting sexism they decide say "Teach men not to rape" that is sexist as it presumes all men rape (opinion) and I'm a alcohol consoler in the UK around 75% of rape charges have to be dropped because both parties were so drunk they can't remember the night before, "Sluttish" clothing isn't the problem it's getting so pissed that you have sex with any random person and when you sober up you can't face the fact that you consented to have sex but at heart the message is right, don't blame the rapee because they didn't they didn't put up a good enough defense.

 

[DazBurger]

Or to put it another way:
Would you feel sorry for someone who got mugged when they were walking down a rough neighborhood with cash strapped all over them?
So then why feel sorry for a girl who goes out wearing close to nothing and will be around drunken guys?

1: Yes... I would feel sorry for them.
2: Because... I like looking at women wearing close to nothing... They (the "sluts") like, me looking at them, wearing close to nothing.


Is it their own damn fault when shops-lifters steal.. Because the store had good wares?
If you own a nice car.. Is it then your own fault if someone steals it?


Do I need to bar op all of my windows and cover every single window, where someone might look in and see something of value?


If you cant resist temptation like that, you don't fit into the modern society...

 

[EradiusLore]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

"of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?"

what disturbes me is how your trying to impose your belief onto other people (not religious are you?) so what if they want to be sluts, and how is it there fault if some guys are so uncivilised that they would rape someone! even if a girl was walking around naked i wouldnt be a barbarian and rape her!

if other people like to live a certain way deal with it, its not your problem!

 

[Kingsman]

"What's the point?"
"Wha?"
"What's the point of dressing that way if she'll get raped because of it, when she doesn't want to get raped?!"
"It is symbolic of her struggle against oppression!"
"....Symbolic of her struggle against reality..."

Seriously, seriously fucking stupid reason to march. The people who rape women who dress provocatively are not the people who care about protest marches. What the hell do they think they're going to change by doing this?

BTW, OP: God, YES. It is SO nice to know I'm not the only one noticing how stupidly unrestrained and over-indulgent people are becoming.

 

[CarlMin]

If women want to fuck around well then they should be able to fuck around all they fucking want without being judged by society, right?

Devil's advocate: Would you honestly not think negatively if the girl you were going to propose to told you she had had 20 sexual partners before you? Would you not be disappointed if your sister or daughter slept around at say age 16, increasing her chance of catching an STD or becoming pregnant?

I never asked my girlfriend how many guys she fucked before me. I considered it of being "her business" and I think it's about time society started doing the same.

STDs and pregnancy is a different thing all together. If my sister or daughter would have sex with a lot of different partners at a young age I would be worried, not because I think she is slut or anything of the like, but because she is taking risks.

 

[FlakAttack]

"What's the point?"
"Wha?"
"What's the point of dressing that way if she'll get raped because of it, when she doesn't want to get raped?!"
"It is symbolic of her struggle against oppression!"
"....Symbolic of her struggle against reality..."

Seriously, seriously fucking stupid reason to march. The people who rape women who dress provocatively are not the people who care about protest marches. What the hell do they think they're going to change by doing this?

Who rapes women because they dress provactively? Last I checked, all of our psychological research seemed to suggest women were raped as part of a power struggle by some who are mentally ill; it had nothing to do with whether they had a short skirt on or not.

 

[Harrowdown]

The word 'slut' is not only derogatory, but also rediculously sexist, and a police officer of all people used the word in such a way that he managed to insult and accuse womenkind in general. The 'advice' given was a very strong insinuation that a women can be responsible for getting raped because of how they dress. Either you've missed the point of the article, or you've referenced it without even reading beyond the first paragraph.

 

[v3n0mat3]

"Wanna run an epic train?"

 

[Kingsman]

"What's the point?"
"Wha?"
"What's the point of dressing that way if she'll get raped because of it, when she doesn't want to get raped?!"
"It is symbolic of her struggle against oppression!"
"....Symbolic of her struggle against reality..."

Seriously, seriously fucking stupid reason to march. The people who rape women who dress provocatively are not the people who care about protest marches. What the hell do they think they're going to change by doing this?

Who rapes women because they dress provactively? Last I checked, all of our psychological research seemed to suggest women were raped as part of a power struggle by some who are mentally ill; it had nothing to do with whether they had a short skirt on or not.

Source?

 

[Jimbo1212]

1: Yes... I would feel sorry for them.
2: Because... I like looking at women wearing close to nothing... They (the "sluts") like, me looking at them, wearing close to nothing.


Is it their own damn fault when shops-lifters steal.. Because the store had good wares?
If you own a nice car.. Is it then your own fault if someone steals it?


Do I need to bar op all of my windows and cover every single window, where someone might look in and see something of value?


If you cant resist temptation like that, you don't fit into the modern society...

Why do you feel sorry when the mistake is brought about by simple idiocy? I would call it natural selection/common sense doing what it does best.

Well when women advertise themselves around drunken men then it is taking a very high risk, just as if you were to go around and insult every drunken guy you see. If they were sober they probably would not punch you, but add some booze and they will......and the same goes for advertising sex.

If your store has no security and does not lock up, then yes, it is your fault.
If you leave your keys in the car, windows down, and tell everyone this, then yes, it is your fault.
See where I am going with this?
There is a difference between being normal, being paranoid, and being naive and ignorant, sluts normally falling into the latter.

"of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?"

what disturbes me is how your trying to impose your belief onto other people (not religious are you?) so what if they want to be sluts, and how is it there fault if some guys are so uncivilised that they would rape someone! even if a girl was walking around naked i wouldnt be a barbarian and rape her!

if other people like to live a certain way deal with it, its not your problem!

Many people have said what you have and it makes me wonder how many sluts you people have actually met, if any. From my experience sluts are some what broken in the head as they are very insecure, hence why they need attention and are desperate for male acceptance.

 

[Colour Scientist]

But girls, if you want to stay nice and un-raped, not making yourself look like an easy and alluring target COULDN'T HURT. Don't go out alone at night in a skirt looking nervous.

You're so right, I'd never thought of this before!
You know, why stop there? I think when I go home later I'll shave my head and put an iron to my face just so I don't entice the rapists by looking somewhat pretty and never leave the house after eight o' clock just in case the sight of me after dark turns a perfectly normal guy into a crazed raping machine.

I really can't get over the opinions of a lot of people, men and women, on this site. The thought that women dressing "provocatively" justifies rape is bizarre, I don't even know how to respond.

 

[JonnWood]

Except for the statistics that state that women who are raped because of their clothing are the overwhelming minority. Dressing soberly is, statistically, more likely to end up with the victim raped.

Good of you to mention the word "statistically". The majority of rape victims are familiar with the rapist, and as such, are already a target regardless of what they are wearing. They are more likely to be attacked in their own home, rather than out on the town. For that reason, it would be incorrect to infer that it is the conservative dress that increases the chances of rape.

My post was meant to rhetorically imply a false causality between dressing soberly and being raped, by way of "reduction to the absurd" with your logic. There is a statistical correlation, but most rapists say they don't actually care what the woman was wearing.

In the minority of instances where a woman is targeted by a stranger, it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to assume the rapist would be most attracted to the one with the revealing outfit who already appears to be "asking for it".

The operative word here being "assume". An assumption is, by definition, a leap of logic. You don't have anything to back you up.

I like how you moved goalposts from 'women' to 'women who are targeted by strangers'.

 

[DazBurger]

Why do you feel sorry when the mistake is brought about by simple idiocy? I would call it natural selection/common sense doing what it does best.

Well when women advertise themselves around drunken men then it is taking a very high risk, just as if you were to go around and insult every drunken guy you see. If they were sober they probably would not punch you, but add some booze and they will......and the same goes for advertising sex.

If your store has no security and does not lock up, then yes, it is your fault.
If you leave your keys in the car, windows down, and tell everyone this, then yes, it is your fault.
See where I am going with this?
There is a difference between being normal, being paranoid, and being naive and ignorant, sluts normally falling into the latter.

Wait wait wait... WAIT!
You are saying that theft, violence, rape and murder is... Mistakes?

And at that, "mistakes" bought on by simple idiocy from the side of the victim?..!!!

Iv seen enough lunatics to know when to pull out of a discussion, BAI!

 

[honestdiscussioner]

The idea is that they want to change the word, and let people know that even if a woman is the biggest slut that ever slutted, they are still allowed to say "no" when they feel like it. A woman being a slut does not mean it is legal to rape her.

 

[Amarok]

The point of the protest is not to say "We are proud of being sluts"

The point of the protest is not to say "We should be allowed to dress this way without fear of rape"

The point of the protest is to say "Men are responsible for their own actions; if a woman is raped, it shouldn't make a blind bit of difference to an officer whether a victim comes along wearing a tube top or a turtleneck".

They are protesting the callous dismissive-ness of a police officer here, and damn right too.

The amount of people on this site condemning the women doing this march is staggering.

I mean come on, put your latent misogyny aside for one second and think. Most of you here are male, I presume? Most of you have, in your time, seen a woman wearing something rather provocative.
Was your first instinct to rape her? Like some sex-crazed robot? No? (I hope not...)

This protest isn't so much about rape as it's about victim-blaming. If a rape is committed, the woman is in NO WAY responsible for it, not even if she was wearing a shirt with "FUCK ME" written on it in big gold letters.

 

[Cheesus333]

"Sluts say Yes"?

Yep, that's pretty much the exact prerequisite for being a slut. The ability to say 'yes'.

I don't really like sluts. I don't know why. Good for them if they're proud of it, though.

Read the story. Its the first sentence of the article.

"Thousands of women in the US and Canada have marched in response to a Toronto police officer's comment that women should try not to dress like "sluts" to avoid being raped or victimised."

Let me break it down a bit. "Sluts say yes". "Girls getting raped are not saying yes". Get it yet?

I don't want to make any comment on your reading comprehension but perhaps you should do more than look at the pictures.

I did read the article. I chose to comment on the immediately available picture anyway.

Besides, if you think about it, people who see that sign may well not know the context (they won't have an article to read).