'Slut' Parade

[Astoria]

There's nothing wrong with being proud of being able to pick up easy but being proud of being a slut? That's just pathetic. I don't care if you're male or female, if you're a slut I have no respect for you because you clearly have no respect for yourself.

Why don't they have respect for themselves?
At what point is "really enjoying sex" disrespectful to yourself?

There is a difference between enjoying sex and throwing yourself on everyone and anyone. Being a slut doesn't just mean you have sex a lot, it's also about the attitude and image you protray.

No, it's the attitude and image other people portray of you.

That's the whole point of the protests, to tell people to fuck off with their labels and preconceptions.

That doesn't make sense to my sleep deprived brain. And labelling people is just part of human nature. People don't call a girl a slut just because she's wearing revealing clothes or just because she is exceptionally flirty. They call a girl a slut because she does both of these things and more. The word slut gets thrown around a lot so some people don't really understand what a slut really is anymore.

 

[matt87_50]

So do you keep a dust sheet over your car at all times in case some people think it looks nice? Do you bar all your doors and windows with the curtains shut just in case someone sees inside and takes a liking to it? Are you gonna cover any children/future children in a full length burka in case a wandering pedophile takes an interest in them?

no I don't, and I wouldn't, it makes sense, but probably wouldn't be worth the effort... same as they have yet to stop me going a few ks over the speed limit. in fact I put the GPS in the glove box so people can't see it.

anyway, my point is, I would not throw a fucking parade berating the cop for suggesting any of these things!

which people damn near do EVERY time someone suggests this... by all means, don't do what he says, you are more than free to do that... you don't need to start a debate every time someone suggests it...

the fact that you have a POLICE OFFICER stating agreement with the 'I couldn't help myself your honour, she was asking for it with the way she was dressed' point of view

really? where did it say that in the article? I thought the cop just suggested that women would reduce their risk of being raped if they didn't dress like a slut.

obviously, this, and what you are suggesting, are two very different things...

 

[monkey jesus]

Oh hell I wanna throw my 2 cents in along with the rest of you, here's what I make of it:

1. Cop has seen one too many rapes and rightly or wrongly attributes some of them to the way the victim was dressed.

2. Cop makes well intentioned yet spectacularly bad attempt at offering advice to women to protect themselves.

3. Shit gets crazy.

Personally I'd stand on the barricades to defend peoples right to dress however they damn well please but would I let my daughter go out on the town dressed like a "slut"? No I fucking wouldn't. It's a horrible fact but there are people out there who will see they way you are dressed as justification for raping you. It doesn't matter how abhorrent this fact is to most people, its still a fact and you can't pro-actively cull them before they show themselves. In some situations you are putting yourselves in harms way by the way you dress.

Personally I think Victoria's Secret should sell shoulder holsters.

 

[matt87_50]

Nope, I don't see why it should be socially acceptable for men to sleep around...

I don't think it is, is it?

just look at Barny in HIMYM...

 

[Jimbo1212]

Well wouldn't it be nice if we all lived on a big fluffy cloud and held hands singing hymns.........



sometimes the victim puts themselves in such a stupid position that you leave yourself wondering how can anyone be so void of common sense.

Sorry, I can't agree with that. What you're describing is not a simply a lack of idealism. What you're describing is the same position used by Muslim zealots who insist that all women wear clothing that shows no skin other than the eyes (if that) because men cannot control themselves if they see a woman in revealing or provocative dress.

You're also flying in the face of all research around rape and sexual assault. You can choose to believe what you want, of course, as many people do...

P.S. This is like the 10th CAPTCHA in a row where I have been able to read it without reloading a new one. Good job Escapist!

Ah, but well all know that a burka is over the top. However if you have a drunk guy and girl in the same room, and the girl has been flirting with him all night and has gone home with him.....not all drunk men could say no, which is the problem.

 

[maninahat]

Except for the statistics that state that women who are raped because of their clothing are the overwhelming minority. Dressing soberly is, statistically, more likely to end up with the victim raped.

Good of you to mention the word "statistically". The majority of rape victims are familiar with the rapist, and as such, are already a target regardless of what they are wearing. They are more likely to be attacked in their own home, rather than out on the town. For that reason, it would be incorrect to infer that it is the conservative dress that increases the chances of rape.

My post was meant to rhetorically imply a false causality between dressing soberly and being raped, by way of "reduction to the absurd" with your logic. There is a statistical correlation, but most rapists say they don't actually care what the woman was wearing.

Well my argument did actually conform to your statistics about the majority of rapists attacking women regard to what the woman is wearing, however:

In the minority of instances where a woman is targeted by a stranger, it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to assume the rapist would be most attracted to the one with the revealing outfit who already appears to be "asking for it".

The operative word here being "assume". An assumption is, by definition, a leap of logic. You don't have anything to back you up.

I like how you moved goalposts from 'women' to 'women who are targeted by strangers'.

Someone's been reading their logical fallacy handbook a bit too much.

I didn't move the "goalposts"; Despite the fact that I was talking about the minority of cases regarding women being raped by strangers, taht doesn't change the original point that women in general are at greater risk when dressed slutty, as it increases the chances of them being targeted.

As for assumptions, you might notice I said a "it doesn't take a HUGE leap of logic", meaning it is not much of an assumption to think the following: that a rapist, in say a nightclub or a bar, is likely to target a woman he finds the most sexually attractive, which will probably the one dressed loosely. He may also target her on the assumption that the girl may already be up for sex, simply judging from the provocative way she was dressed. Seeing as how issues like sexual attraction and a rapist's thought processes are largely subjective, I can't really back any of that up. It does however seem fairly intuitive for the criminal: like a burglar who targets a house with the windows left open, a rapist may target a stranger who puts her attributes on display.

I'm not entirely sure what you are even arguing towards.

 

[Spacelord]

why isn't anyone protesting murder?

 

[Gerdneek]

Im only going to say one thing about this, its okay at party and events without children cause I dont think children should be influenced by that apperal, to think that its okay cause as any every day kinda thing its not. If theres no kids about I dont care.

 

[Goro]

Of all the rapes I've attended, probably 70% would be a woman who has changed her mind, or didn't want to go that far, and been forced along by the male. The male has not been affected by clothing choice, but by an assumed invitation. As far the male was concerned, it wasn't the short skirt, but the fact it came off.
I'll see your stats and raise you 8 years policing experience....

 

[JonnWood]

You can't be an unintentional troll.

All you need is the mentality that whatever says to you, you're right. People agree with you? Because you're right. People disagree with you and ask for irritating little things like evidence and logic? It's because they can't handle the truth you know to be true.

yes, i agree about the dressing part, in a perfect world everyone should be able to wear whatever they want. but if it actively increases your chances of getting raped by doing so, then it's a pretty small and easy step to wear something else instead. keep the sexy stuff at home for your partner.

She spelt slut wrong.

While 'women should be allowed to dress how they want' reality means wearing revealing clothes provokes violence. Much like wearing football colours.

When violence ceases to exist sure ladies wear what you want. Until then dress in a reasonable manner please.

It doesn't, statistically. If there is any casality between clothing and rape, a woman is actually more likely to be raped for wearing demure clothing than sexy hawtness.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.282803.11101292

Your argument was that people don't rape for power, because they can get it legally. If that's true then people don't rape for sex as they can also get that legally.

Don't bother. He just keeps moving goalposts.

 

[JonnWood]

Ah, but well all know that a burka is over the top. However if you have a drunk guy and girl in the same room, and the girl has been flirting with him all night and has gone home with him.....not all drunk men could say no, which is the problem.

It's not about whether the drunk guy says no. If either of them say no, the other should stop.

You want to try proposing a scenario where both of the particpants aren't in an altered state?

 

[JonnWood]

Someone's been reading their logical fallacy handbook a bit too much.

I post on JREF.

I didn't move the "goalposts"; Despite the fact that I was talking about the minority of cases regarding women being raped by strangers, taht doesn't change the original point that women in general are at greater risk when dressed slutty, as it increases the chances of them being targeted.

They're not. Most rapists don't give a hoot. Since most of the time women aren't dressed sexily, that would indicate that one is more likely to to be raped when wearing sober clothing, or there is no real connection between clothing and likelihood of rape.

As for assumptions, you might notice I said a "it doesn't take a HUGE leap of logic", meaning it is not much of an assumption to think the following: that a rapist, in say a nightclub or a bar, is likely to target a woman he finds the most sexually attractive, which will probably the one dressed loosely.

Considering that most rapists already knew the victim, your analogy is a minority case.

He may also target her on the assumption that the girl may already be up for sex, simply judging from the provocative way she was dressed. Seeing as how issues like sexual attraction and a rapist's thought processes are largely subjective, I can't really back any of that up. It does however seem fairly intuitive for the criminal: like a burglar who targets a house with the windows left open, a rapist may target a stranger who puts her attributes on display.

Which is not borne out by statistics. Most rapes appear to have jack-all to do with what the victim was wearing. While it is "possible" that a woman may be targeted because she was wearing a miniskirt and kinky boots, it's not enough of a probability to be concerned about any more than it would be if she was wearing a burqa.

 

[cobra_ky]

She spelt slut wrong.

While 'women should be allowed to dress how they want' reality means wearing revealing clothes provokes violence. Much like wearing football colours.

When violence ceases to exist sure ladies wear what you want. Until then dress in a reasonable manner please.

Define "reasonable manner".

I have yet to meet or see a woman who inspires me to rape, and no healthy human being would feel obliged to attack a woman because of how she was dressed.

You know alot of reasonable human beings do you ? Pyschologists, sociologists and anyone whos ever left their basement would disagree. By and large the mass of humanity is ratshit crazy. 60% beleive in angels, more beleive that invisible zombie carpenters are watching them & listen to their whispers.

Reality was the key word in my statement. Its nice to see you ignored that.

find me any reputable psychologist or sociologist who would say that any significant proportion of the male population is inclined to commit rape.

also, please define "reasonable manner".

Why people care about this is beyond me.

If they want to tempt fate, that's their own choice.

If they get raped, they shouldn't have gotten piss-drunk.

No sympathy for those, on my part.

nobody deserves to be raped, ever. it's that simple.

People don't call a girl a slut just because she's wearing revealing clothes or just because she is exceptionally flirty. They call a girl a slut because she does both of these things and more. The word slut gets thrown around a lot so some people don't really understand what a slut really is anymore.

Yes they do. That's why the word has been thrown around so much. Nobody really understands what 'slut' means, because people will use it against any woman they perceive as sexually immoral.

Ah, but well all know that a burka is over the top. However if you have a drunk guy and girl in the same room, and the girl has been flirting with him all night and has gone home with him.....not all drunk men could say no, which is the problem.

those men have no business drinking. you're still responsible for your actions while drunk, whether you can control them or not.

 

[irani_che]

went to a "Slut March" I was appalled
it was full of Mingers
Someone should get the Fair advertising office on them

 

[Inglip]

You can't be an unintentional troll.

All you need is the mentality that whatever says to you, you're right. People agree with you? Because you're right. People disagree with you and ask for irritating little things like evidence and logic? It's because they can't handle the truth you know to be true.

Trolling is intentionally trying to provoke a reaction with what you say. It doesn't mean being bad at debating or, as a lot of people on this site think, having a different opinion to you.

 

[Azdron]

I guess they have a point? it would be real nice if dressing like a slut didnt attract rapists? or if there were no rapists? or if all women could beat up a potential rapist? yeah.. that would be neat? so... woo for them. Dosnt change the facts though... or really do anything at all. What? whats the point here? what is this trying to communicate or achieve?

Rapists gonna rape. Not dressing provocatively makes you less likely to attract their attention... what are they protesting?

Also, I dont remember when the "gays" "took back" the word queer, so maybe Im out of touch.

 

[cobra_ky]

I guess they have a point? it would be real nice if dressing like a slut didnt attract rapists? or if there were no rapists? or if all women could beat up a potential rapist? yeah.. that would be neat? so... woo for them. Dosnt change the facts though... or really do anything at all. What? whats the point here? what is this trying to communicate or achieve?

Rapists gonna rape. Not dressing provocatively makes you less likely to attract their attention... what are they protesting?

Also, I dont remember when the "gays" "took back" the word queer, so maybe Im out of touch.

welcome to the thread. it's been brought up several times already, but the fact is that provocative dress actually has very little to do with rape.

 

[Astoria]

People don't call a girl a slut just because she's wearing revealing clothes or just because she is exceptionally flirty. They call a girl a slut because she does both of these things and more. The word slut gets thrown around a lot so some people don't really understand what a slut really is anymore.

Yes they do. That's why the word has been thrown around so much. Nobody really understands what 'slut' means, because people will use it against any woman they perceive as sexually immoral.

Maybe I should've said people shouldn't call a girl a slut just because of how she's dressed and people who know what being a slut means call them that because of the things I said before.

 

[Trolldor]

There's nothing wrong with being proud of being able to pick up easy but being proud of being a slut? That's just pathetic. I don't care if you're male or female, if you're a slut I have no respect for you because you clearly have no respect for yourself.

Why don't they have respect for themselves?
At what point is "really enjoying sex" disrespectful to yourself?

There is a difference between enjoying sex and throwing yourself on everyone and anyone. Being a slut doesn't just mean you have sex a lot, it's also about the attitude and image you protray.

No, it's the attitude and image other people portray of you.

That's the whole point of the protests, to tell people to fuck off with their labels and preconceptions.

That doesn't make sense to my sleep deprived brain. And labelling people is just part of human nature. People don't call a girl a slut just because she's wearing revealing clothes or just because she is exceptionally flirty. They call a girl a slut because she does both of these things and more. The word slut gets thrown around a lot so some people don't really understand what a slut really is anymore.

And why should we then accept them?

A girl is free to sleep and flirt with as many other people, gender irrelevant, as she wishes. It is her life and her choice to make, and so long as no harm is being done we have no cause to judge and make fact these absurd notions of propriety.

 

[agrajagthetesty]

As for assumptions, you might notice I said a "it doesn't take a HUGE leap of logic", meaning it is not much of an assumption to think the following: that a rapist, in say a nightclub or a bar, is likely to target a woman he finds the most sexually attractive, which will probably the one dressed loosely. He may also target her on the assumption that the girl may already be up for sex, simply judging from the provocative way she was dressed. Seeing as how issues like sexual attraction and a rapist's thought processes are largely subjective, I can't really back any of that up. It does however seem fairly intuitive for the criminal: like a burglar who targets a house with the windows left open, a rapist may target a stranger who puts her attributes on display.

JonnWood has already pointed out the most important flaw in your argument here. I'd also just like to add that what a rapist wants is power over another person - to humiliate, control, and psychologically destroy them - rather than the sex itself. Given this, it actually seems that a rapist would be less likely to target a woman that he thinks would be up for sex. After all, if she consents, he can't have that power over her.

Rapists gonna rape. Not dressing provocatively makes you less likely to attract their attention... what are they protesting?

They're protesting the very assumption that you just made. There's no evidence that how you dress affects your likelihood of being raped.