'Slut' Parade

[Baby Tea]

If you're protesting strictly for idealism then you're wasting your time.

A few people walking along a street isn't going to change thousands of years of human nature. Rape is one of humanity's oldest crimes to itself, and it isn't going away because a few proud-to-be-scantily-clad women walk together and hold signs.

You don't have to convince me that rape is horrific, and should be stopped.
Marches by women holding 'proud slut' signs aren't the solution. At all.

Ah generation x and its defeatist belief nothing you do or say will ever matter so why bother. The age where people stood up for what they believed in tragically over. Now is the age of sit on your ass and whine about it.

Uhh, no.
You're either misinterpreting, or misunderstanding, what I'm saying.

Protesting strictly for the sake of idealism is naive.
Protesting in general, for an attainable cause, isn't at all.

The civil rights movement, for example, wasn't wasted time.
The protests against oppressive regimes and governments aren't wasted time.

And though I've since learned this protest isn't 'stop rape' so much as it is 'stop blaming women for rape', the idea of a protest to stop rape is, indeed, totally naive. Rape isn't a government policy. You can't really protest it, because when you protest you are showing your anger over the issue to...who?

Any normal, sane person already thinks rape is horrible. The community, government, laws, policies, and all of sane humanity is already behind you. So who is the protest for? The rapists? And does anyone think that someone who has the capacity to commit such a horrible act as rape, will really be moved by a protest? That is naive, and a waste of time.

Please don't suggest, based on one misunderstood post, that I'm suggesting to 'sit on your ass and whine'.
That's not true.

 

[AgentNein]

Snip.

It came from the American Journal of Orthopsychiatry. And you're right, 16 and 21 don't make 100. Then again, it also listed other reasons why rapes were committed, so that's kind of a pointless argument.

This comes from the university of Liverpool, 100% of rapes happen to drunk "sluts".

Yes, I just made that up. It isn't hard to put some professional sounding place before some percentages and pull a fact out.

I'm sorry, then you're just being a fucking twit here. Purposefully obtuse. What do you want, something mailed to you? Do your own research at this point, the source has been cited. You are pointed in the right direction. It's like me telling someone the sky is blue and that they can feel free to open their eyes and look in the direction of UP to confirm it, and them insisting on keeping their eyes shut.

 

[JonnWood]

rapists aren't famous for snubbing targets because of high standards or the possibility that "she might be a really girly dude."

Anecdata supporting your point: Article in Reader's Digest about a serial rapist. One woman told him she had AIDS. So he used a table leg.

Google is turning up an uncomfortable amount of results, but it may have been Arohn Kee.

 

[AgentNein]

rapists aren't famous for snubbing targets because of high standards or the possibility that "she might be a really girly dude."

Anecdata supporting your point: Article in Reader's Digest about a serial rapist. One woman told him she had AIDS. So he used a table leg.

As if this thread wasn't disturbing enough.

 

[Darkauthor81]

If you're protesting strictly for idealism then you're wasting your time.

A few people walking along a street isn't going to change thousands of years of human nature. Rape is one of humanity's oldest crimes to itself, and it isn't going away because a few proud-to-be-scantily-clad women walk together and hold signs.

You don't have to convince me that rape is horrific, and should be stopped.
Marches by women holding 'proud slut' signs aren't the solution. At all.

Ah generation x and its defeatist belief nothing you do or say will ever matter so why bother. The age where people stood up for what they believed in tragically over. Now is the age of sit on your ass and whine about it.

Uhh, no.
You're either misinterpreting, or misunderstanding, what I'm saying.

Protesting strictly for the sake of idealism is naive.
Protesting in general, for an attainable cause, isn't at all.

The civil rights movement, for example, wasn't wasted time.
The protests against oppressive regimes and governments aren't wasted time.

And though I've since learned this protest isn't 'stop rape' so much as it is 'stop blaming women for rape', the idea of a protest to stop rape is, indeed, totally naive. Rape isn't a government policy. You can't really protest it, because when you protest you are showing your anger over the issue to...who?

Any normal, sane person already thinks rape is horrible. The community, government, laws, policies, and all of sane humanity is already behind you. So who is the protest for? The rapists? And does anyone think that someone who has the capacity to commit such a horrible act as rape, will really be moved by a protest? That is naive, and a waste of time.

Please don't suggest, based on one misunderstood post, that I'm suggesting to 'sit on your ass and whine'.
That's not true.

Thank you for clarifying. My understanding of your post was clouded by my expectation for more "Hah! People believing, marching, voting, or boycotting. Idiots!" posts I've seen so much of and have come to expect. My apologies.

 

[Rhiehn]

They're right. There's nothing wrong with being promiscuous. Especially when men often have just as much sex as these alleged sluts, and they're only encouraged.

 

[JonnWood]

In the end, I think it would be more effective to actually address the fact that we as a society tend to judge a woman's worth based on her sexuality and sexual conduct.

Don't be silly. We have to focus on policing words rather than their causes. It's the only way to change anything!

/sarcasm

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Saying, "Don't tell us how to dress, tell men not to rape", is like saying, "Don't tell me where to keep my money, tell people not to take it".

No, it isn't. How many times does this have to be brought up? There is no correlation between women wearing provocative clothing and rape.

 

[Gitty101]

It's a tad strange to be proud of the fact you're a slut. I mean, it's not exactly a positive image is it? But hey, if these women feel they need to show hoe proud they are of it by all means let them XD

 

[JonnWood]

Like I said up there, I don't buy that. I mean, where was that even pulled from, it could be from trollingamI.com or 100%facts.com I don't know.

It's clearly sourced at the top of the quote. Argument from incredulity and ignorance.

Lets see, according to that, whats the best way to get raped is .... Be drunk, with no drugs, on a premeditated whim, while only raping, can't argue before it and don't have sexual fore play AND ABOVE ALL ELSE DRESS LIKE A NUN!

It's like watching a two-year old try to walk in his dad's shoes, then trip and fall down. Except the shoes are a metaphor for debating. The toddler is you. Possibly literally.

Two of those clash, 21% premeditated the rape but 16% were impulsive/spontaneous, "the victim was simply an easy available 'innocent bystander'". 16 +21 =/= 100%.

You forgot "non-responding". Rapists who simply didn't answer the question.

 

[JonnWood]

Yeah, but it's unreasonable to expect everyone to treat every stranger they pass as a hair-trigger psychotic. In fact, it's rather insane.

I've heard certain feminists insist that it is perfectly justifiable to think of every man as a potential rapist. This is, strictly speaking, true, but I transpose the logic to justify of thinking of every black man as a "potential" thief or gang member, and it suddenly looks exactly like bigotry.

 

[Emperor Inferno]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Exactly. The whole point of freedom as we view it in this country is the ability to do as one desires (within reasonable limits of course) and not suffer persecution for it. Women should be able to dress and act as they please and not be in fear of suffering consequences for it. One of the freedoms we hold dear is "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

And besides, just because a woman is a slut doesn't make it okay to rape her. If you know she's gonna say yes anyway, just ask first.

 

[Grimlock Fett]

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When I read this piece yesterday (Hipster) I immediately thought of this picture!!

OT What is it with everyone wanting to take words back? Is it only straight white males who have no beef? Except *porch monkey! I'm taking that back!!!
(*Movie reference I'm not a racist)

 

[sketch_zeppelin]

...i'm kinda on the sides of the "sluts" I don't really like woman who think they can use and abuse based on there looks but this isn't about that. this is about woman being talked down to because they may or may not be dressing or acting "slutty" the problem isn't what a girl dresses like. she should be able to decided to wear an outfit without worrying about getting raped. The problem is that guys need to learn that even if a girl is running around naked that it isn' an invitation to have sex with them if they tell you to go away.

 

[agrajagthetesty]

Image snipped.

Except for the part where a woman's vagina hasn't been specifically designed to stay "locked".

There's nothing inherently sacred about female chastity any more than male chastity.

 

[sketch_zeppelin]

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When I read this piece yesterday (Hipster) I immediately thought of this picture!!

OT What is it with everyone wanting to take words back? Is it only straight white males who have no beef? Except *porch monkey! I'm taking that back!!!
(*Movie reference I'm not a racist)

...I'm confused, is the bottom qoute about the locks agreeing or mocking the top quote?

 

[Metal Brother]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

Sexual discrimination fail!

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Adult perspective win!

Any adult should have the ability to choose his or her own style of dress AND choose his or her own consenting sexual partners, without fear of being sexually assaulted.

How about you, TB_Infidel? Would it be ok for you to be raped if you were wearing an outfit that turned on your attacker? Would that make it your fault?

Guys seem to think that rape is something that only happens to women - it's not. Put the shoe on the other foot, and it looks a little different...

 

[Torrasque]

Here's how I feel about it all:
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52627000/jpg/_52627183_protest.jpg
I don't really need to add anything to that, it already puts my post at... 1023 words

But why should women have to dress any differently to avoid getting raped?
Should men have to NOT wear their favorite team's jersey at a hockey game at the away city, to avoid getting cursed at and beaten up?
Should women have to avoid talking to men because the men may think they are leading them on?
Should men have to drive inexpensive cars so people will not have a stronger urge to steal them?

While all of these are probably good ideas to exercise if you don't want negative consequences, another person's actions should not have to dictate your own. I am GOING to wear my Arch Enemy shirt that says "PURE FUCKING METAL" on the back, while I listen to Where Is Your God? loudly, if I want to. And if someone doesn't like that, they can go fuck themselves.

 

[crop52]

That's like me wearing a police officer's outfit down the street and then being suprised when someone getting robbed runs to me for help.

Wrong,

Women dress like sluts because they want to look sexy, and that's okay, because i love sexy women,

If anyone who isn't a cop dresses like a cop, then fuck them,