Smacking Children - As a Parents of Course

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mooncalf

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Since Sue Bradford's "Anti-Smacking Bill" in New Zealand, kids have been quoted saying such charming things as "Ha ha, you can't hit me but I can hit you." and essentially good parents have suffered the humiliation of police scrutiny for minor examples of physical discipline. Before the bill, LOUSY parents were getting away with shocking behaviour under the guise of reasonable force.
Assault is assault be it against old or young, but the legislative solution seems woefully ill-suited to it's intended purpose, awareness of the real problems having been obfuscated by alot of witch-hunting fluff.
 

zirnitra

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it's legal in Britain provided it doesn't leave a mark. it's up to the parent's depended on what sort of a relationship you want to have with your kids after they're about 12 whether it will be more of a friend relationship or a master apprentice relationship.

my dad used to hit me all the time as a child and I know have overwhelming feelings of fear and hate for him and will probably never have an open honest relationship with him.
 
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Cheeze_Pavilion post=18.70793.704729 said:
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The_root_of_all_evil post=18.70793.704122 said:
To those that don't agree with smacking, how would you 'inform' a 2 year old about not pulling that boiling kettle down?
I don't think you need to smack a child to stop them pulling a boiling kettle down, you'd be suprised what a firm tone can do. But really, you shouldn't leave a hazard like that within the reach of children anyway.
Exactly--how the hell did a parent let a two year old get within range of a boiling kettle?
I managed it quite easily. And a TV (destroyed), and six wine glasses (bitten through), a radio(short circuited) and a toaster(short circuited).

And before you say anything about my parents, take a moment's thought about my probable reaction.
 

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Mnemophage post=18.70793.703275 said:
I think that hitting should be kept as an option, but a slim option to use when nothing else will fit. My troubles with punishment usually aren't the methods, but the ways in which they're doled out. All too often, parents punish without making it clear what they're punishing or why - the sentence never fits the crime, and often the same punishment is used in all cases. Growing up, my household was a non-violent one, and the reason that discipline didn't work was that I was never told WHY I was being disciplined. Sure, I knew the direct reason, but I very rarely knew why it was wrong or what the consequences of my actions were. I was locked in the basement, left to think about what I had done, but I really didn't know what they wanted me to think about or why I was even there. All I knew was that if I wanted to avoid punishment, I had to not get caught. Needless to say, my morality came in late.

One week, though, I was staying at my grandfather's house while my parents went on vacation, and my brother and myself broke our bed by playing WWF on it. Naturally, we scattered, coming back a half-day later when we figured the anger had blown over. Coming into the house, though, we found Papa waiting there with a pile of scrap wood and three hammers. Instead of punishing us like our parents did, he explained that if we wanted to sleep in a bed that night, we would have to fix what we had done. We were gobsmacked; we had never had to take actual responsibility for our actions before. That was a theme that entire week, and taught me more about child-rearing than my parents did. If I ate up all the candy the first night I was there, I had none for the rest of the week. If I stayed out too late for dinner, I found none waiting for me when I got home. If unrolling two rolls of toilet paper into the toilet clogged it, we would have no bathroom until we plunged it. Papa was always there to help teach us how to repair our own damage, but we were always expected to do the work, and he was always there for us to ask questions of.

That, more than anything, is how I think punishment should happen. It's true that in the heat of anger it's difficult to think rationally, but THAT'S where time-out comes in, allowing you some room to think and calm down. All children want to be treated like adults; that's why they get into your good scotch and paint hideous Joker faces on their heads with your expensive Mac lipstick. Adults have all the power. We can do what we want, buy what we want, go where we want and make other little people to be their friends. I've found that not only will a child take better to punishment if you treat them as you would another adult, but they respect you more for the consideration.

This is, of course, assuming you want the result of punishment to be leaning and progressive modification of behavior, rather than just 'shutting them up'.
This is quite possibly the best idea i've ever heard, so many times we are told how to punish kids, but not to tell them why or to make them take responsibility. The amount of respect and trust that can be garnered from a parent by making the kid repair his/her own damage rather than just punishing them is huge!
 

Marbas

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Past a certain age even light smacks become counter-productive. Or that could have just been me.

I learned to block. It caused some tense moments.
 

Fronken

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i think punishing your child is okey to a degree, i mean, abusing a child is just sick, but giving them a slap for doing something you've told them NOT to do multiple times is only a good thing, sure it'll hurt for a while, but they'll know that if they do it again, they'll get hurt again, so they wont do it again.
 

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internutt post=18.70793.702899 said:
A small smack was a very easy way for me to know not to do something again. So long as the parent is not savagely beating their child I believe parents have every right to discipline their child without having the government attacking them.
Ditto.
 

SenseOfTumour

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Another /agree.

(I had a huge rambling post, but it timed out, and I really cba to retype it, but yes, I'm all for smacking kids and anyone banging on my front door who I didn't invite.)
 

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I was never hit but I know what was wrong and what wasn't...well I did sooner or later. I have mild Asperges and it took a while for my parents to know about it but still I never got harmed...just loudly saying SMACK! got me crying my eyes out and soon I was punished by not being allowed out and having things taken from me...I'm a little spoiled but I'm not as bad as todays kids *shivers unhappily* God I hate mentioning today's kids...makes me sick knowing most of them are idiots who think everying always works for them.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion post=18.70793.706199 said:
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Compare child rearing to pet training. If a dog pees on the floor, you rub his nose in it. All the words in the world won't get the point across, it doesn't understand... But rubbing a dog's nose in its own mess DOES give the dog the idea that what it did was wrong. Not to start up a parallel argument on how to raise pets, but if a dog does something wrong you give it a light tap on the nose with a rolled up paper, or a thwack on the behind. It's accepted and normal training for such pets. Children aren't that much different.
Actually, I don't see The Dog Whisperer doing any of that. Really, isn't that an issue? That we inflict less pain on our dogs than on our children in raising them? Why is that necessary?
Nor does Victoria Stillwell, from "It's Me or The Dog." Its actually bad dog-training/rearing to do that. And those kids not being physically disciplined and being obnoxious brats, probably aren't being disciplined in ANY way, so you can't draw a conclusion from that.
 

SenseOfTumour

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Actually the more I go out and see the public in stores etc, the more I think it should be legal for parents to hit other people's kids too. Hell not just parents, either, if you have arms you should be allowed to take a swing at certain kids.

Sorry armless people, I don't advocate kicking children, I'm not some kind of loony.
 

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I'm moderately impressed. Cheeze has said almost everything I wanted to, in a manner I agree with. That hardly ever happens.

When I finally have kids, I'm going to raise them right, like my parents raised me. Proof my parents raised me right... I'm educated, with a good job that pays me well. I have my own house and car, I pay my bills and am in no unreasonable debt. I don't rely on medication or drugs to get me through life, I don't even smoke or drink.

Now compared to my brother, who they spoiled rotten and never enforced the same rules on... He's a chain-smoking alcoholic who often blows his rent cheque on weed. He's in debt to the government for not paying income tax, hasn't kept a job for over 2 years, and has been in jail numerous times. Abusive towards his girlfriend, socially inept, and can't string four words together without one of them being "fuck".

He was rarely if ever punished as a child, I was punished for every slip up. Sure he had it easier, but I'm tremendously more satisfied with my life.
The reason that you turned out well - and, similarly, the reason that your brother didn't - is not because of a specific kind of punishment. It's because you faced punishment at all. You were given boundaries, and, if you crossed them, you were rebuked. The fact that the consequences were physical doesn't matter. You appear to be under the impression that pacifist parents cannot be strict.
 

Fire Daemon

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I think if a child deserves to be smacked than the child has to know why it is being smacked. If it doesn't know why it's being smacked then the child will learn nothing apart from the fact that daddy/mommy is mean. This might make them ignore the parents even more and do more harm then good. Before a child can be smacked they need to know what is wrong and what is right. If you don't set this up before you start smacking then you have failed as a parent.

In my opinion a smack without the child knowing why is child abuse.