Smoking?

[Miumaru]

The axeman snippeth.

If you actually read my post, you'd realize that I've already quit. I just don't take kindly to people with an unwarranted superiority complex.

Well, I have a legion of pro smokers at my throat, so Ive been rushing a bit.

I too dont take kindly to such. I do not hate smokers, I hate smoking. Smokers who have no remorse for their actions however, I hate. The first person I replied to I believe was one such person, and that really irks me.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

The axeman snippeth yet again.

And inversely, most smokers take a hostile attitude to such criticisms because they're tired of taking shit for a habit they're generally quite considerate about. Most people here smoke outdoors, or in their own vehicles when alone/with consenting passengers, but take the stance of "fuck you, I'll do whatever I want" because they're tired of explaining their personal choices to condescending people.

So your parents were inconsiderate. I've had significant problems within my own family due to alcoholism, but I never go out of my way to sling mud at people that enjoy the occasional drink; and if I did, they'd probably react to me the same way that the smokers here are getting up in arms over your comments.

 

[Spinozaad]

Still, likewise I find you more reasonable than other opponents on this issue, as you seem more consistent. I believe we differ more that you are more lenient to both while I'm more strict. I can respect that.

Well, I fully understand and support a ban in public buildings. I also understand and support a ban in restaurants and hotels. I don't support a ban in bars, pubs and cafés, however. But that's a different discussion.

It's just when the anti-smoking front goes berserk on smoking in general, that I feel I must defend "my" cause. To be honest, we live in a free society. And standing next to some smoker in the streets isn't going to kill you any faster than walking down an urban center. Live and let live, which includes the occasional 'suck it up', if you catch my drift.

Your argument is flawed... that's like saying "I'm going to set your house on fire because you called the cops when I broke into it." If you CREATE the problem, you're hardly at liberty to get annoyed when people want the problem to go away.

Oh, it definately is. Just as the argument I fixed was flawed as well. The point is not if there's 'an added benefit'. That's just a red herring applied to confuse the subject. The subject is that certain non-smokers do not want to inhale toxins found in smoke. These toxins are also found in exhaust fumes. The cars, whether or not they supply your gatorade, are just as much 'mercyless killers' or any other hyperbole of choice as those who smoke a cigarette, and who's smoke you might inhale slightly from time to time.

Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass that you think that smokers are murderers, although horribly inefficient ones. Just admit that the cars, planes and factories. In fact, society in general is "trying" (it isn't) to kill you with its toxic fumes. That's all I want to here.

You see? I'm not even denying that second hand smoke is not healthy. Although I am doubting it's the vicious killer the stuck up anti-smokers make it out to be.

 

[Miumaru]

The axeman snippeth yet again.

And inversely, most smokers take a hostile attitude to such criticisms because they're tired of taking shit for a habit they're generally quite considerate about. Most people here smoke outdoors, or in their own vehicles when alone/with consenting passengers, but take the stance of "fuck you, I'll do whatever I want" because they're tired of explaining their personal choices to condescending people.

So your parents were inconsiderate. I've had significant problems within my own family due to alcoholism, but I never go out of my way to sling mud at people that enjoy the occasional drink; and if I did, they'd probably react to me the same way that the smokers here are getting up in arms over your comments.

Ill care when they do. I am not so hostile to smokers I know want to quit, and show awareness of other humans, but I am quick to turn on people who show they do not care. If thats the case, then I will not feel bad for them, only superiority. Certainly if I was always covered in stink, I should not be surprised if people are bothered by it. If I do not like it, I should shower.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

Snipping. Again.

You are really missing the point I was making, which is "people tend to get pissy and tell you to get stuffed when you give them attitude first". Like I said, most people here are likely to be very considerate and reasonable, but will go out of their way to spite you because they really don't like being talked down to anymore than anybody else does. Making sweeping generalizations like "all smokers are bad people that couldn't care less about others" certainly doesn't make you look like the reasonable one, either. In fact, I'd say your attitude is more in line with "fanatical, delusional Knight Templar that wants to exterminate everyone that doesn't agree with you."

 

[Miumaru]

Snipping. Again.

You are really missing the point I was making, which is "people tend to get pissy and tell you to get stuffed when you give them attitude first". Like I said, most people here are likely to be very considerate and reasonable, but will go out of their way to spite you because they really don't like being talked down to anymore than anybody else does. Making sweeping generalizations like "all smokers are bad people that couldn't care less about others" certainly doesn't make you look like the reasonable one, either. In fact, I'd say your attitude is more in line with "fanatical, delusional Knight Templar that wants to exterminate everyone that doesn't agree with you."

And I said I agree, and infact is how I started this. My FIRST post in this thread was at a user who annoyed me by being one of those who do not care about those harmed by his actions. I did not make sweeping generalizations. I said smokers who are bad people are worse people. Smokers who do care though, are people who made bad choices and do a bad thing, and would be better if they stopped if they can. So, maybe I am doing some of what you say I am, but you are too.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

Snipping. Again.

You do remember that your first post is the one I took issue with, right? It didn't really have all the nuance and consideration that you're retroactively saying it did. Y'know, the one where you said something along the lines of "anybody that feels victimized by people like me telling them what to do is a pathetic murderer?" I can quote it directly if you'd still like to argue the intent behind it.

 

[Julianking93]

1. I don't smoke. I stay away from people when they do smoke because I'm allergic to tobacco.

2. Never tried it. I was around someone who was smoking for about 5 minutes. Had to go to the hospital because my throat had closed and I couldn't breath.

3. Never have. Never will.

 

[Zackary Yakumo]

1.Im gonna die anyways, so who gives a shit.
2. When i was 16 my gf introduced it to me and it was weird, but i do it all the time now. mellow out man.
3.For me? Its like five cigarettes in one.

1 carton of Marlboro smooth 100's please.

 

[PurpleSky]

1.Im gonna die anyways, so who gives a shit.
2. When i was 16 my gf introduced it to me and it was weird, but i do it all the time now. mellow out man.
3.For me? Its like five cigarettes in one.

1 carton of Marlboro smooth 100's please.

Stop acting brave,I know people my age (16-17 at the time) that died.

 

[PurpleSky]

-double post-

 

[Zackary Yakumo]

1.Im gonna die anyways, so who gives a shit.
2. When i was 16 my gf introduced it to me and it was weird, but i do it all the time now. mellow out man.
3.For me? Its like five cigarettes in one.

1 carton of Marlboro smooth 100's please.

Stop acting brave,I know people my age (16-17 at the time) that died.

brave? How old are you? must be under 18. because after you turn 18 and get kicked out of your house you realize this: When you die youll be much happier than here.

 

[PurpleSky]

1.Im gonna die anyways, so who gives a shit.
2. When i was 16 my gf introduced it to me and it was weird, but i do it all the time now. mellow out man.
3.For me? Its like five cigarettes in one.

1 carton of Marlboro smooth 100's please.

Stop acting brave,I know people my age (16-17 at the time) that died.

brave? How old are you? must be under 18. because after you turn 18 and get kicked out of your house you realize this: When you die youll be much happier than here.

I'm sorry you have a family like that,but it's wrong to complain about life when people had no choice and lost theirs.

 

[Canid117]

1: I can live with myself just fine seeing as how I smoke only once every couple of months.

2: It was interesting but I smoked the Cigar too fast and my stomach felt a bit queasy afterward.

3: Two things, A: it is a social experience and it hasn't been hijacked by "Nonconformist" goths as a way to piss off their parents and B: Cigars actually have a very pleasant aroma and if you are drawing any of the smoke into your lungs then you are doing it wrong.

 

[Arkzism]

1.How do you feel about it being dangerous for your health?
well its my body ill do it if i want

plus im a special case... i dont find nicotine all that addictive.. so my smoking habit is very irregular.. mainly smoke during stressful times in my life
2.How did you feel the first time you tried?
i thought it wasnt as bad as everyone said it was

3.Ever tried a cigar?What's so special about it?
yeah and i have no clue

 

[Helmutye]

I am not a regular smoker, but I have tried it on occasion, and even though I don't smoke I really don't have a problem with people doing it if they want to.

1. It's important for people to understand just how much propaganda there is out there about drugs. Adverse health effects are almost always massively exaggerated, or they use anecdotal evidence because they know it scares people. The vast majority of drugs that are illegal or viewed as dangerous are perfectly safe if used in moderation and under reasonably safe conditions (smoking crack in a back alley in a bad part of town at night is a bad idea, but even without the crack just being in a back alley in a bad part of town at night would be a bad idea). The problem is that many people today don't understand the concept of Moderation. If you smoke a pack of cigarettes every day, that is a LOT of smoking, and it will be unhealthy. If you drank a 2-Liter of soda every day, it would also be unhealthy, maybe even more unhealthy. If you do anything too much it will hurt you or screw up your life. Drugs will do to you what you do to them--if you use them responsibly and respectfully, they will give you a lot of joy and maybe even some enlightenment. If you abuse them, then they will abuse you.

2. The first time I really smoked was a cigar (a few puffs of cigarettes and pipes here and there doesn't count). It was pretty cool for about the first 1/4 of the cigar--I felt really warm and happy, a little like being drunk but also a little different. I really enjoyed it. But when I had smoke 1/2 of it I started feeling really weird and unpleasant, so I stopped. It was a few hours before I felt normal again, and until then I felt like I had a hangover--nausea, headache, and aversion to most stimuli--but at least with a hangover you generally feel like sitting still and trying to sleep it off. With the cigar I was wide awake and wired in addition to all of the above. Not a fun time for me, but that's probably because I smoked too much at once. If I do it again I'll know to take it a little easier.

3. As I said, the only time I really smoked was a cigar. It was pretty nice--nice flavor, and I didn't have to inhale it to get the effect. I could see someone really getting into it, just like a person might really get into wine, and that's actually how a lot of people view it. Cigars are the wine of smoking, while cigarettes are the beer. Some people prefer one form over another and enjoy the experience of one as opposed to the other. But chemically they do the same thing to you. Cigars are @$#%-ing expensive, though, so if you smoke them make sure you enjoy it enough to get your money's worth.

 

[Zackary Yakumo]

1.Im gonna die anyways, so who gives a shit.
2. When i was 16 my gf introduced it to me and it was weird, but i do it all the time now. mellow out man.
3.For me? Its like five cigarettes in one.

1 carton of Marlboro smooth 100's please.

Stop acting brave,I know people my age (16-17 at the time) that died.

brave? How old are you? must be under 18. because after you turn 18 and get kicked out of your house you realize this: When you die youll be much happier than here.

I'm sorry you have a family like that,but it's wrong to complain about life when people had no choice and lost theirs.

well what im saying is that ive been smoking for four years. yes ive seen my family members die from smoking but it doesnt stop me.ive seen patients in the hospital i work in die from lung cancer but it wont stop me. this is the choice ive made and im sticking with it.

 

[Helmutye]

1) Isn't it amazing that smokers are endlessly asserting their 'right' to smoke but get all annoyed when people question that 'right'. And then complain that you're being unfair and whining when you assert your 'right' to breath air that doesn't stink? Fun times... and the kind of logical argument that only makes sense in the mind of crazy people.

2) I propose that all non-smokers start carrying water pistols with red food colouring in 'em. If we have to live with the annoyance of breathing smelly smoke by-products, the smokers can live with the annoyance of wearing food colouring. Seems reasonable to me.

Oh, get over yourself! If it bothers you that much then just leave! You can forbid people from smoking in your own house, and I don't have a problem with forbidding it in certain other public spaces where people must go and can't easily just leave and go somewhere else, but otherwise who are you to tell people what they can and can't do? A few breaths with a little bit of smoke in them are not a legitimate health concern. And you don't have a right not to be offended.

My city recently banned smoking in bars, and I think it is absolutely ridiculous--firstly, a bar is private property, and I don't think any kind of government should be passing laws on what can be done in contained private property. Secondly, bars are the way they are, and there are plenty of people who enjoy them that way. They are loud and filled with drunk people. Do you have cause to demand that alcohol can no longer be served because you don't like it when drunk people yell or say silly things? It should be up to the owner of the bar to decide if smoking is permitted or not, or at the very least they can require some sort of license to have smoking and collect a small fee to give bars at least some economic incentive to go smoke free if they want. But nobody has to go to a bar. There are plenty of other unhealthy activities that go on at bars--drinking, brawls, casual sex in the bathroom, etc. If you have a problem with what goes on at bars then you should do something else with your evening.

As I said in my earlier post, I am not a smoker, but even I think it's pretty crummy to get so sanctimonious about smoking.

 

[cainstwin]

1. I can live with myself very nicely. Then again, being a magnificent bastard who only lives to fulfill his own desires makes easy livin' easy. No, just kidding. But I felt I had to make such a comment in response to your loaded 'HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF?!?!' phrase. How do I care about smoking? I don't. I like it, and I tend to enjoy the company of smokers. Probably because they tend to be free of any poles stuck up their collective arses.

2. Probably buzzed. Quite likely already drunk. How should I know? I'm not a person with the unhealthy habit to fondly remember "first times".

3. Most certainly. It's the taste that matters. Cigars are not ment to be smoked 'over the longues'.

I dunno, smokers who dont give a crap have a huge pole up there ass that gets shoved into other's lungs. I realize some smokers are regretful about it and want to quit, and I feel bad for them. Those who dont give a crap or feel opressed however, are pathetic in their murderious ways.

Basically i agree with this. I will add though my problem isn't that its bad for their health but alot of the time they are putting non smoking frineds at risk from a habit they didn't choose to take. I'd rather it wasn't a health hazard to have a varied group of friends.