Smoking?

[The_Graff]

i hate to break it to you OP, but you to will one day die. surely its better to enjoy yourself en-route? and if you don't enjoy smoking then hey fair enough, I can't quite get my head around why people would get tied down and whipped for sexual pleasure, but its not really that important a question.

 

[Lawyer105]

I'll put it again but more clearer.

So WHEN you start driving i can throw bowls of puke over you 3 times a day, as you are poisoning my air? fair play mate i look forward to that day

Original post clarified... And your argument is just as flawed as Spinozaad's. You smokers CREATE the problem (see revised post - I'm not typing it again). Public urination is also considered unacceptable by a significant majority of people, and nobody tries to assert their 'right' to pee in public!

 

[Odbarc]

I've never tried one. 90% of my family smokes and the ones that don't are the only ones with any success in their lives.

You are aware that correlation does not imply causation, right?

I said a bit more in my OP. I just know that something that costs money and gives me nothing in return is equal to burning money. Where actually it's worse than burning money because I'm literally worse off for smoking than not smoking.
Family income is low. Every cent invested in cigarettes is a cent not saved. I make the least amount of money (I'm young, sue me. ^_^) and I manage to pay rent, bills, my own food and I still manage to save money when they cannot.

Plus investing in such avoidance stress relievers (as I'm sure is the only real reason people smoke - and thus create stress from not smoking) also prevents you from practicing basic problem solving skills. You mind atrophies, so does your body. You wither away, become miserable and blame others for your own problems and consequences.
Or at least that's what I've lived around my whole life.

 

[Marmooset]

My apologies, but I do not get the implication for A (I blame my English, apologies). Cars have filters, but so have cigarettes. Both still pollute the air with toxins, right?

Sorry. I can be a bit unclear from time to time, and language has nothing to do with it. My first point was in response to you saying that secondhand smoke was filtered. It's actually less filtered than the smoke inhaled by the smoker.

Still, likewise I find you more reasonable than other opponents on this issue, as you seem more consistent. I believe we differ more that you are more lenient to both while I'm more strict. I can respect that.

One side: Studies show smoking is great in every way!
Opposition: Studies show smoking is bad in every way!

Well, if one side is 3% of the medical community (with suspicious funding and/or addiction), and the opposition is the other 97%, maybe.

As the debates on global warming and evolution illustrate, two views does not necessarily mean equal likelihoods.

Huh? I don't get what point you're trying to make.

I was just saying, I have all smokers telling me that smoking is good and all non-smokers telling me that smoking is bad. I have no idea who to believe.

I'm more inclined to believe that the people preaching that smoking is bad are 'enhancing the truth' for their own cause. Mostly because i'm led to believe that smoking just one cigarette will instantly turn you into an addict, but i have a lot of friends who only smoke like once every few months when they're feeling stressed and can carry on life as normal afterwards.

What I'm saying is that the issue of whether or not smoking is bad for you is not a controversy. It's established. Most smokers themselves will admit it's bad for you. Where they often differ (read: rationalize) is whether smoking is a problem level for them: "I only smoke socially/once in a while", etc.

If someone is telling you that smoking is not bad for you (let alone 'great in every way'), they are either A) an addict, B) of questionable motive, or C) a fool.
And if you're giving their advice weight, well...

 

[Continuity]

3. Cigar's are almost entirely about the image.

There speaks a person who doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

1.How do you feel about it being dangerous for your health?

Nothing.

2.How did you feel the first time you tried?

Lightheaded.

3.Ever tried a cigar?What's so special about it?

No idea. I started with Kent 8 and moved to Pall Mall Gold(Or Orange. Same shit if you ask me)

 

[lacktheknack]

I gotta say, im pretty offended by the question "How can you live with yourselves?"

Why honestly, does everyone care so much about people smoking? Studies show that second hand smoke does not harm anyone, the only reason that people think so is because of smear campaigns against the tobacco industry.

That said, I'm only a party smoker. I'll do it occasionally but wont go out to buy cigarettes or anything. I just stinge off other people. Someone before me got it absolutely right; moderation is the answer.

I didnt know Malboro put out studies. People think second hand smoke causes damage because of the damage caused by second hand smoke. Also you have no right to be offended because you have a bad habit that harms others. If smoking did nto harm anyone but yourself, then fine, but it doesnt.

http://knol.google.com/k/second-hand-smoke#

While it's not exactly a credible source, it pretty much lays down all the fine points that are accurate. I'm in a rush to go out somewhere so I havent had time to go get all the sources i read initially, but the one that started my change in views was watching an episode of "Penn and Teller: Bullshit". I don't know if you're familiar with the show but it presents hard evidence against the second hand smoking studies. Penn and Teller abstain from smoking anyway and still present this stuff.

I'm not saying that smokings good for you, im just saying that people are overly concerned about something thats not harmful anyway (im refering to second hand smoke here of course) -- SMEAR CAMPAIGNS PEOPLE.

EDIT: if you want me to find the sources, PM me and when i get back from going out ill send them your way.

If it's that harmless, then why do my lungs fill with mucous and I have to be rushed to a hospital whenever some jerk blows smoke in my face?

Oh right, I'm asthmatic. But it's clearly all in my head, because Penn and Teller say second hand smoke is harmless.

Actually, I find Penn and Teller to be extremely biased and often outright inaccurate.

EDIT: Also, my friend's grandma worked in a restaurant that encouraged smoking, although she never smoked herself. She died of emphysema. So... yeah. Reality overrules studies, you know.

 

[oktalist]

Even though I have quit smoking (which was easy for me, by the way) I will answer this as if I hadn't.

1. I can take it or leave it. It performs a valuable function in my life. I'm only smoking two or three per day (or six, depending on how far you go back in my life).
2. Headrush. I was already hitting the weed pretty hard, and the cigarettes were just filling the space during a shortage.
3. Yes. I coughed up a lung.

 

[YouCallMeNighthawk]

I'll put it again but more clearer.

So WHEN you start driving i can throw bowls of puke over you 3 times a day, as you are poisoning my air? fair play mate i look forward to that day

Original post clarified... And your argument is just as flawed as Spinozaad's. You smokers CREATE the problem (see revised post - I'm not typing it again). Public urination is also considered unacceptable by a significant majority of people, and nobody tries to assert their 'right' to pee in public!

yeah your earlier post saying that the pollution from cars has it's benefits, yes, but so does smoking. All the taxes we pay for our cigarettes pay for stuff aswel, so without smokers governments will have alot less money to spend on emergency services and so on.

 

[thenoblitt]

1. smoked once tasted bad and just didnt really like the feeling, i do love the smell of second hand smoke though, damn my aunt for smoking around me as a kid

2.same as 1

3.never had a cigar but they look damn fancy

 

[Frankydee]

1.Didn't really bother me. Shame wasn't something particularly on my mind when I did smoke.
2.Again, didn't really care. Thought about it but then remembered that I hadn't really planned on living past 30 anyway.
3.Really really high. Or lightheaded.
4.Yes and they're okay I suppose. I smoked the cheap, flavored sort.

 

[Levitas1234]

3. No. It's about the image.

actually i enjoy smoking a flavored cigar more than a cigarette especially for after toke.

1. I don't really care to be honest, i try to eat healthy and stay active.
2. first time i tried, just like you op i thought it was disgusting i stayed away from smoking for a long time.
3. Cigars are flavored :3 i have a pack of colts sweets that i bought instead of smokes today because i like variety or some shit

 

[Plurralbles]

I'll put it again but more clearer.

So WHEN you start driving i can throw bowls of puke over you 3 times a day, as you are poisoning my air? fair play mate i look forward to that day

Original post clarified... And your argument is just as flawed as Spinozaad's. You smokers CREATE the problem (see revised post - I'm not typing it again). Public urination is also considered unacceptable by a significant majority of people, and nobody tries to assert their 'right' to pee in public!

yeah your earlier post saying that the pollution from cars has it's benefits, yes, but so does smoking. All the taxes we pay for our cigarettes pay for stuff aswel, so without smokers governments will have alot less money to spend on emergency services and so on.

it's commonly said that the savings in healthcare would overcome the collective money made from taxes, jobs, pretty much everything regarding smoking. That's the fault of healthcare artificially made to be expensive for no reason though so a lot of people disregard this.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

1. I'm aware smoking is generally bad for my health... then again, I'm a teenager and long term consequences are difficult to put into context with my current reasoning skills, so there's your honest answer.

2. The first time I had a cigar, I actually had a rather pleasant buzz, however, my first Cigarette made me pretty dizzy and nauseous.

3. Yep, I've tried one. For the special part, they can taste really nice if you've got a good cigar. Other than that, I don't know...

 

[superbatranger]

1. I know it's dangerous to one's health. Everyone knows this. But, if someone wants to smoke, I say let them. It's their choice.
2. I remember coughing the first time I tried smoking. It was also the last time.
3. Actually, the first time I tried smoking was with a cigar.

 

[Miumaru]

Well, I never had to sit in a room full of car exhaust for one, and certainly I am all for cleaning up its bad effects too.

Sure, but unless you're out living in the middle of nowhere, you're constantly breathing in toxic fumes. If you're living in the city, it's quite possible that you're doing so right now.

However smokers do not provide ANY positive service such as transportation...

The act of smoking does not provide a positive effect, but smokers not doing anything positive? Carefully phrase your wordings, my friend. Transportation can also be provided through trains or bicycles. Cars, with their exhaust fumes and statistical tendency to kill people dead are unnecessary on their own as well.

...and certainly it would be easier to remove all smoking with positive effect than all cars. People would have more money to spend for one.

That last argument makes absolutely no sense at all. People don't have 'more money to spend'. They have the same amount of money, just less choice to spend it on. An institution that would have less money if smoking were to stop, would be the government. And trust me that the government would find another way to get that money.

Perhaps a tax on videogames. AFterall, when you're playing videogames, you are not contributing to society.

The act of smoking does nothing positive. If someone who smokes IS helping society, then that just helps my side since smoking will remove them sooner than later which would be bad.
If you stopped buying something you buy regularly, you can use that money for other things. And from what my mom says, smoking aint cheap.
My playing video games is not killing anyone beyond the goblins and taliban parodies of their virtual worlds.

 

[Miumaru]

1.How can you live with yourself?
That's an awfully pissy way to ask. I don't smoke anymore, but this kind of feigned self-righteous indignation makes me want to start again purely out of spite.

2.How did you feel the first time you tried?
It felt good. Manly, even.

3.Ever tried a cigar?What's so special about it?
Cigars are fine. Much better-quality smoke. They're special because they're pure, hand-rolled tobacco, as opposed to the processed crap that gets crammed into cigarettes.

I dunno, smokers who dont give a crap have a huge pole up there ass that gets shoved into other's lungs. I realize some smokers are regretful about it and want to quit, and I feel bad for them. Those who dont give a crap or feel opressed however, are pathetic in their murderious ways.

Tell me, what is it about you that's so special and entitles you to be so openly condescending?

My damaged lungs from poor parenting. I do not condescend in a way to suggest only I can. If others wish to condescend with me, then sure. If it bothers you so much, could always quit smoking. Id even give you a back pat.

 

[Miumaru]

"Self-righteous snivelling and pointless aggression"

Spoiler: Not a particularly polite response

You've know told us that you'd love to see fewer cars on the road, but how do you feel about the roof on your house? I'm going to take a wild guess, and say that the roofing product is petroleum-based, and had to be shipped by truck from the manufacturer, after being made in a plant, before which the raw materials were extracted either from a sea-bed deposit, or the oil-sands. So, what's more important, the shelter over your head, or the environmental damage caused by every step of the process that created that roof?

Now could you do us smokers a favour: take your complaining about people that CHOOSE to smoke outside and shove it someplace as appropriate as we'd like to shove your pretentious, self-important soap-boxing? I'll choose to smoke, and you can choose to be a grumpy, stuck-up bint, and keep the hell away from me.

2) I propose that all non-smokers start carrying water pistols with red food colouring in 'em. If we have to live with the annoyance of breathing smelly smoke by-products, the smokers can live with the annoyance of wearing food colouring. Seems reasonable to me.

Spoiler: Another impolite response

If you shoot at me with food colouring, I reserve the right to claim you've assaulted me, and defend myself.

BRING IT.

OT:

1: I smoke because it has a relaxing effect, and because I'm an industrial roofer; I inhale as much (if not more) tar during most days at work as I do smoking over the course of the same day.
2. Little bit of a buzz. Sometimes I still get one.
3. They have a different, richer flavour, and smoke slower, so it's more about enjoying the taste and the socialization, when you smoke a cigar or pipe.

Your paraphrasing of my post just makes me label you a jerk in my mind and shall otherwise ignore your certainly as rude action.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

The axeman snippeth.

If you actually read my post, you'd realize that I've already quit. I just don't take kindly to people with an unwarranted superiority complex.

 

[similar.squirrel]

1.I can't, really. It's a pretty shameful habit, and I hate myself for it. The addictive properties are currently overriding my willpower.

2.It depends. Sometimes paranoid, nihilistic at other times.

3.It tasted like mushrooms. So..Puzzled, I guess.

4.I have. It's nothing special. Makes you feel like Clint Eastwood, I guess. That's got to count for something.