Snipers get a bad rap in gaming?

[Tim_Buoy]

well while snipers tend to get a bad rap i find a good one completely necessary im using BFBC2 as a reference bieng the last fps i played and mostly what annoyed me was in a game of rush my entire team beacame snipers when we were on offense leaving me alone when i tried to get the objective and get ass raped by 3 guys with shotguns although i do also use a sniper (witch im terrible at but have to use it to level up my sniper class)

 

[WanderingFool]

I don't even think camping's that bad an idea. If it's safe enough to stay there yet a fantastic spot to defend/get kills, stay there, it'd be stupid not to.

Gold Rush, first part, after the first point is taken, staying on top of the spawn and covering the tunnel where the rail is one of those sweet-spots where you're useful wit minimal effort.

Good point, actually. I camp in certain Rush maps, for Im defending one of the objectives, those things get destroyed, we lose. So Im typically not the only one camping on the sites, corse a frag is all thats needed to take care of us most times, but still.

 

[DigitalSushi]

I dislike other Snipers in KillZone 2, its quite rare to get one that does what he's supposed to and defend target zones, instead they just shoot other snipers because chances are they are standing still to remain invisible.

In one game the opposing team had six snipers taking pot shots at the opposing teams sniper (me), the game was over very quickly because it allowed us to get all objectives since they weren't defending them.

wow that is such an epic failure it's not even funny. well, okay, maybe a little.

I know what you mean man, although I do love being a sniper in Killzone 2. They really got it right. Even the little things like holding your controller steady, since the designers integrated the sixaxis motion controls into the sniper scope, so you need a steady hand to get a good shot in.

I do prefer to be a bit more active when being a sniper. I'll usually defending the bridges/corridors/back alleys to our capture points and taking pot shots at enemies down the map. If you're gonna be a sniper, be a team player by defending your guys with some distant thunder, or else get lost as far as I'm concerned.

The really funny thing is they each had less then 5 kills, which means neither of them added to their badge count abilities.

And none of them had spot and mark because their teammates were getting shot round corners due to our positions not being broadcast on their radars, for those not in the know your radar only shows up enemies that the Sniper class has done a spot and mark on that person, in other words Snipers need to see the entire battlefield before he takes a lone wolf approach.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I have no time for people who ***** about sniping, it's in the game...it's not a cheat. If the game is balanced you can overcome a sniper, if it's not then it's not a very good game...and maybe not worth your time.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Well, the thing is that sniping can be useful, and it can be annoying. For instance, in Bad Company 2 a sniper can sit at their own base and still spawn camp on the other team. I've played games where I couldn't get five feet out of spawn before I got sniped and the only way to counter them is to become a sniper myself, and then it turns into a big sniper war and no one goes for the objective. It's also not really giving the other person a chance, because a good sniper sees their victim without their victim seeing them. I like what Bad Company 2 does as well because the killcam will often show you exactly where they are for a couple of seconds and even show you if they're going to stay in that spot or if they're starting to move so it makes it a bit more fair. Also, if you see a sniper, you can spot them and they won't be in hiding anymore.

Snipers can help the team that it being sniped against. If you know there is a sniper, you will be more likely to take cover instead of running out into the open, so not only are you protecting yourself from snipers, you're protecting yourself from people with shotguns as well. Another good thing about snipers is that they stand perfectly still and have tunnel vision... if you can get around them, it's perfect for free melee kills and headshots. And there is nothing that screams "jackpot" more than finding a house full of snipers that are all looking out windows and coming in with no one noticing.

 

[gh0ti]

Sinpers are the best weapons to use in any game. For example in Call of duty games snipers take skill, waiting for the enemy laying traps with care packages and claymores and picking off the enemy, While with automatic weapons you hold down the trigger till all organic matter is fused with the wallpaper (Yahtzee) so i think snipers get bad rap from the people who cant use them.

Disagree. Sniping is comparatively easy if done properly. Using automatic weapons in most shooters is actually more challenging for a number of reasons:

First, most other people are using them too. You don't get an advantage in the way you would sniping people across the map. Second, you have to conserve your ammunition and get your kills with as few hits as possible. At least you do if you're actually any good. In my view if you can use automatic weapons well, you'll be able to snipe well too.

In my view the reason why snipers get a bad rap is that they usually don't dominate games. Instead, they're locked up in their own little world and not really contributing to the team. A lot of people you see sniping on MW2 rack up very few kills, and do bugger all on objective based maps.

 

[AngloDoom]

My main issue with sniping isn't that they camp, or anything like that, it's just that, this is mainly just me, but if you're a sniper, you're ideally going to be too far away from your target for them to be able to actually fight back, and this is where I have an issue. What's the point of killing people online for fun, if there's no challenge?

Speaking as someone who occasionally enjoys sniping, I think you've just kind of missed the point. The challenge comes from staying away from the target. I find sniping makes actually feel a lot more vulnerable- with other other classes I run around Rambo style with a shotgun blasting through people with speed and quick dodging, these moment makes me feel pretty exhilarated and indestructible if it goes well. Being a sniper, I find more of a sort of 'survival' experience; I stay away, I run from my foes, and I pick them off strategically without hoping to alert other's to my presence.

If you're used to running into the fray, sniping can seem dull and unfair, but I crap my pants every time I see a speedy dude with a sub-machine gun running at me with killing intentions - and that's where the fun lies for me.

 

[captaincabbage]

I dislike other Snipers in KillZone 2, its quite rare to get one that does what he's supposed to and defend target zones, instead they just shoot other snipers because chances are they are standing still to remain invisible.

In one game the opposing team had six snipers taking pot shots at the opposing teams sniper (me), the game was over very quickly because it allowed us to get all objectives since they weren't defending them.

wow that is such an epic failure it's not even funny. well, okay, maybe a little.

I know what you mean man, although I do love being a sniper in Killzone 2. They really got it right. Even the little things like holding your controller steady, since the designers integrated the sixaxis motion controls into the sniper scope, so you need a steady hand to get a good shot in.

I do prefer to be a bit more active when being a sniper. I'll usually defending the bridges/corridors/back alleys to our capture points and taking pot shots at enemies down the map. If you're gonna be a sniper, be a team player by defending your guys with some distant thunder, or else get lost as far as I'm concerned.

The really funny thing is they each had less then 5 kills, which means neither of them added to their badge count abilities.

And none of them had spot and mark because their teammates were getting shot round corners due to our positions not being broadcast on their radars, for those not in the know your radar only shows up enemies that the Sniper class has done a spot and mark on that person, in other words Snipers need to see the entire battlefield before he takes a lone wolf approach.

Thats why I think Killzone 2 got multiplayer so right. The Sniper has two of the most powerful abilities in the entire game; Active camoflage and Spot and Mark (The latter of which scans your screen for any enemies and adds the ones it finds to you and your allies radars) with piss poor up close performance and recharge rates on the abilities, just like every other ability.

 

[OneOfTheMichael's]

I am a maniac in modern warfare with the original MoA43 bolt action sniper rifle (if thats how you spell it, quote me if i'm wrong)
JUst the other day i got a 10 killstreak with just the weapon on crossfire and people respected me (strangely) for my carnage, even some guys on the other team said i did good.
I was fair.

Although i have heard that many get picked on snipers. It may be that the snipers were camping and probally being jack@$$es like
"BOOM headshot BEEACH"
But not all snipers are all that way, its just a mocking stereotype to some who are fair and not complete jack@$$es.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Sniping is only bad when your being a lone wolf. Example, in Bad Company 2 if someone is sniping but they don't bother to help allies. That is what pisses me off personally. If your going to snipe then at least provide cover fire, or assist the ground troops.

I hate that, that why I never play recon on cetain maps while attacking (defendings a different story. What sucks even more, if you have a full squad and the three other members are playing recon. I know this is not always true, but it seems anyone playing recon is just boosting to level up the rank and the recon class.

Actually this is the funny thing, my buddy always plays as our squad sniper. (We always have a squad of the 4 different classes) What he does is provide us with fire so we can get to cover, and constantly spot enemies. Combined with my sexy Medic skills and my two firends playing a Engineer and Assault make us a team to be feared. The funny thing is though, instead of him playing an offensive role but rather a support role, he gets more points than any sniper in our games. His points mostly come from savior pins and assist kills.

 

[InGrindWeTrust]

The sniper class that kills you unseen from a huge distance is just doing their job. Hating them for that is like hating a shotgunner class for being superior in a close-range enclosed environment, or hating the guy on the mounted gun for being able to mow down waves of infantry. Sure, it's frustrating to be caught on the wrong side of these guys and their specialities, but removing them would leave the game bland or unbalanced.

I have made a point of playing extensively as a sniper in every game I've had since I got a PS2, and I have to say it really is an experience that no other class can match. Both in multiplayer and single, I've found that a decent sniper CAN turn the tide of a battle, and CAN help the other class units effectively. While it might be boring for the guy who gets taken down by an unseen sniper, I suggest that the most cathartic possible solution for them is to experience life from the other end of the scope. There are few things more satisfying in the gaming world than pulling off a successful sniping run: scoring a critical hit on a Badass in Borderlands and saving yourself the hassle of a protracted battle; taking out the campers in a Medal of Honour multiplayer match; hitting that guy on the turret in Battlefront; the immense moment in Gun where you compensate for the reticule to hit some doy cowboy in the head with a bow, and the satisfying squelch when it the arrow thuds into his brain; THAT is the sniper experience as I know it.

Sniper encounters are supposed to be intense. The guy in the crosshairs is the underdog, and gameplay should reflect that. Remember the battle in MGS:Snake Eater with the old sniper, The End? Sniping should be like that: you're in sniper territory, the sniper's wearing camouflage and you can't see him, but you know he's here somewhere. He might even be watching you right now. He might be toying with you and waiting for the most demoralising moment to hit you right between the eyes, or else he might have got up, switched class and buggered off. You have no idea. The entire thing is a collossal mindfuck either way. Do you go further into sniperland and try to flush him out and kill him on your terms, or do you turn tail and go back to fighting the other classes? That's how I want to see snipers represented.

 

[Bat Vader]

I understand why people do not like snipers in online games but I do like snipers and I like sniping. Snipers are supposed to camp and when people start guessing where their position is the sniper should to a different location. If nobody is able to figure out the sniper's position they can continue to camp there. It does take a good amount of skill, practice, and quick reflexes to become a good sniper.

When I first started tried sniping in Modern Warfare 2 and Team Fortress 2 I was horrible at it but with practice I got better at sniping in both of those games. Yes, when facing a very good sniper in Modern Warfare 2 or Team Fortress 2 it does pay to think strategically and try to find ways around the sniper to be able to kill them.

 

[JoshGod]

i never noticed this. besides its hard to snipe without camping.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

I hate snipers, and I know how frustrating it is to take a few steps then immediately die from a sniper. I don't mind one or two snipers, but if more than half the team is snipers, that's where I draw the line.

 

[Alon Shechter]

Snipidi snip

I was on TS3 scouting the enemy base before my heavily armed buddies assaulted the place.
I was making sure nothing was going to destroy them as soon as they come in (That includes launching some artillery)
If that is wrong of me (I was getting advice from higher ranks , some of them combat military in retirement) then I dunno whats right in this game.

 

[Marmooset]

Snipers: Are they really as bad as some think? Or do they just get a bad rap?

Ironically, a lot of bad rappers end up getting sniped.

Way of the world, I guess.

 

[Unesh52]

I dislike snipers in concept. I mean, I actually like sniping, but only for the stealth aspect and the immense payoff of hitting a long-range mark without alerting anyone. This mostly applies to single player though, when I don't have to be fair to others. But the whole point of the sniper rile and sniping tactics is to give the opponent no chance to retaliate. The more skilled the sniper, and the more "realistic" the scenario (weapon damage and cover), the less fun it is for people who aren't sniping. Meaning me.

Sure, when I played for a few hours on 2Fort snipers were welcome, because there were only a few places they could conceivably be effective, and they were easy to spot there. Plus, the TF2 riles have good damage modulation, making them more forgiving. But when I played MAG, snipers could do the job of 10 foot soldiers without being in the slightest hint of danger. You wouldn't know where he was shooting from even after he'd shot you. It was horse shit and it (among a ton of other things in that game) sucked the fun right out.

This is why I say "Modern Warfare" is overrated -- "real" warfare is impersonal, unfair, and not designed to be fun. It's a pretentious theme that does nothing but create gameplay balance issues.

 

[tehroc]

I would like sniping if it wasn't such a mindless experience in most shooters.
A real sniper has to constantly move, hide, fire, watch his ammo, call in enemy positions, account for distance when firing and hope beyond hope that taking a shot doesn't sign his own death warrant by bringing a tonne of soldiers down on him.

Let's not forget real sniping is normally a 2 person affair, requiring a spotter. The longer the shot the more calculations are required to hit.