Sniping in Black Ops

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Disclaimer: I agree with most if not all adjustments Treyarch made to the Sniper Rifles.

When I played World at War and Modern Warfare 2 I would snipe; just snipe. Every match, every game type; snipe. I despise camping for kills and I don't like Quickscoping, camping bores me and quickscoping seemed too ridiculous.

I preferred to skulk around the edge of the map and knife stragglers and snipe defenders; I liked playing "Ninja-Style". So I bought Black Ops thinking it would be all the same.

First thought: With Stopping Power gone, I thought that suppressed Sniper rifles could still be 1-hit kills. WRONG

Second thought: The Dragunov is exceedingly difficult at achieving 1-hit kills. Great disappointment.

Third thought: There seems to be a start-up sway on sniper rifles, probably to further nerf Quickscopers, it is now impossible to defend against ambushing rushers at mid-range. Now it's just depressing.

Treyarch won't patch the game just for me, but could someone tell me how to snipe in this game?
 

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Stop, look, listen wait, spot, kill, move. Maybe slap a claymore down, if your feeling like the enemies a behind you.

While running to your next spot equip a hand gun or the ballistic knife, thats what there for. If you run around with a rifle expect to die.

I don't and have never sniped, but this seems like the obvious way.
 

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It's not worth it. Play BFBC2. That has the best multiplayer sniping I've ever experienced.
 

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Buchholz101 said:
Treyarch won't patch the game just for me, but could someone tell me how to snipe in this game?
Unlock the G11 Assault Rifle and pick people off faster/easier from across the map then any sniper rifle could ever hope to. The best sniper rifle in the game isn't even a sniper rifle. True story.

If you want to actually snipe... well, then I'd suggest going back to CoD4 or MW2. Unless it gets patched, which I doubt, sniping is officially dead in Black Ops.
 

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MetallicaRulez0 said:
Buchholz101 said:
Treyarch won't patch the game just for me, but could someone tell me how to snipe in this game?
Unlock the G11 Assault Rifle and pick people off faster/easier from across the map then any sniper rifle could ever hope to. The best sniper rifle in the game isn't even a sniper rifle. True story.

If you want to actually snipe... well, then I'd suggest going back to CoD4 or MW2. Unless it gets patched, which I doubt, sniping is officially dead in Black Ops.
I know, I started using the M16 ACOG /w Suppressor, it's a better sniper than the actual snipers!
 

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Sniping hasn't really been destroyed on the PC. You can still perform quick kills close to long range.

Spawning is the main thing that messes it up. You can't sit still for long due to enemies having a habit of appearing right behind you.

To be fair, the Dragunov has only ever been good once, and that was in the first Modern Warfare's campaign.

Edit: Just put an acog on every rifle.
 

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GuideBot said:
It's not worth it. Play BFBC2. That has the best multiplayer sniping I've ever experienced.
It was for me too, if only because I can't snipe in any other online game. It just seems so much easier in BC2 than anywhere else.

I haven't played COD:BO yet, but from what i heard it seems like more of a challenge, which may appeal to some people.
 
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Simple Bluff said:
GuideBot said:
It's not worth it. Play BFBC2. That has the best multiplayer sniping I've ever experienced.
It was for me too, if only because I can't snipe in any other online game. It just seems so much easier in BC2 than anywhere else.

I haven't played COD:BO yet, but from what i heard it seems like more of a challenge, which may appeal to some people.
It's not really a challenge, it's more frustrating than anything. Snipers pretty much no longer one shot kill unless it's in the head and the hit box is ridiculous. I've had my crosshairs on multiple targets, pulled the trigger and... nothing. I don't know if it's just me but the hit detection is horrible.
 

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Buchholz101 said:
Disclaimer: I agree with most if not all adjustments Treyarch made to the Sniper Rifles.

When I played World at War and Modern Warfare 2 I would snipe; just snipe. Every match, every game type; snipe. I despise camping for kills and I don't like Quickscoping, camping bores me and quickscoping seemed too ridiculous.

I preferred to skulk around the edge of the map and knife stragglers and snipe defenders; I liked playing "Ninja-Style". So I bought Black Ops thinking it would be all the same.

First thought: With Stopping Power gone, I thought that suppressed Sniper rifles could still be 1-hit kills. WRONG

Second thought: The Dragunov is exceedingly difficult at achieving 1-hit kills. Great disappointment.

Third thought: There seems to be a start-up sway on sniper rifles, probably to further nerf Quickscopers, it is now impossible to defend against ambushing rushers at mid-range. Now it's just depressing.

Treyarch won't patch the game just for me, but could someone tell me how to snipe in this game?
I haven't had too much experience with Black Ops as of yet, but I do still have a basic understanding of how the game works. Some of my tips will be CoD based, some just generally good tips for all shooters of the CoD veriaty. Take them with a grain of salt.

1. Camping is your friend. Now, I'm not saying you should stay in one spot for the entire match, but nestling into a sniper friendly position is always a bonus. Try to find a good vantage point, squeeze off a few shots, hope those shots end up as kills and then move on! You would not believe how many people don't do that last bit and end up paying for it. BlackOps is very mobile like it's predecessors, so make sure you aren't dawdling in one sniper spot for too long.

2. Headshot when you can. This seems sort of dumb to put, but it certainly helps make you a better sniper. With a supressor, enemies won't know where the bullet is coming from, so it's to your advantage to try for the headshot and miss rather than get the body shot and reveal your position. Worst case scenario, they'll see the bullet fly at them and you're no worse off if you had taken the body shot to begin with.

3. Engage in long distance combat or multi-level combat. I'm not sure why people find this hard to achieve. You either want to make sure you're higher up than most people, or that you're a good distance away from your targets. Preferably both, if you can swing it. This takes advantage of what a sniper rifle actually does and keeps you far enough away that you aren't getting sprayed with bullets from LMGs or Assault Rifles, which specialize in mid-range combat. Make them play your game. For example: if you have a group of players all charging down your firing lane, try to block off the most direct path by killing one of the players. This will force the others to scatter and take more indirect routes which either gives you more time to kill them with your rifle, more time to prepare for a close-quaters engagement with claymores and pistols, or simply more time to run away and find another vantage point.

4. Use the right gun for the right job. Don't pick a sniper rifle when you're in a small or enclosed map, unless you can get some serious height advantage. Most CoD maps facilitate sniping through either of the two points mentioned above: long distances or multi-level combat, but not every map is the best choice for a sniper rifle. Sometimes it really is just better to pull out that assault rifle with longer distance and better accuracy to lay down the hurt on the opposing forces. Sometimes buildings are layed out in such a way that sniper positions are at a minimum, or that you can easily sprint from cover point to cover point. Overall, map knowledge is a great tool in knowing what gun to bring to the fight.

5. Pick your perks properly. MW2 is a lot different from BlackOps in that snipers aren't still useful if you've been spoted. They wear ghillie suits for a reason, y'know. It's better to miss your shot and not be seen than to make your mark and attract attention from others. Pick perks that help keep you concealed. As long as you're still standing, you can always fire off more shots from different angles, or close the gap without being detected if need be. This is further proven by having a longer wind-up time when aiming down your sights. You want to keep yourself concealed until that body hits the ground, and even preferably after that, too!

Hope this helps. I know they seem fairly basic, but I find even the basics can sometimes be overlooked when you think you know them. Bring your game back a bit and learn from the bottom up. Best of luck to you!
 

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I haven't actually tried black-ops yet, but does sniping in the head still one-hit kill? If so, why not just do that?
 

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Vryyk said:
I haven't actually tried black-ops yet, but does sniping in the head still one-hit kill? If so, why not just do that?
It does, but you can't get a shot off as quickly... Also, for reasons that make no sense to me, a suppressed sniper rifle will not one shot-kill, even with a headshot...
 

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There are 3 things that prevent sniping from being viable. Each one is unique to Black Ops, so people without experience with BO probably don't understand.

1. Treyarch basically broke sniping on purpose. You can't snipe accurately until your scope has been up for at least 3 seconds. This makes camp sniping the only viable option.

2. Black Ops has without a doubt the worst sniping maps of any CoD game. Every map is tight corridors and short alleyways. They're completely unfriendly to long-range combat.

3. On the maps where there are viable sniping spots (which is 2-3 out of 14), you still can't maintain range because of the way the perks are setup. Everyone and their fucking mother runs the Ghost perk, which makes you invisible to radar. So at any time, you can be flanked and have no idea that the enemy is there. Add to that the fact that enemy footsteps are completely silent in this game, and it's very difficult to know where the enemy is compared to previous CoD games.

Any one of those issues would make sniping difficult, but all 3 together make sniping entirely non-viable. You'd be stupid to choose a sniper over an AR in Black Ops if you intend to do well.
 

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J03bot said:
Vryyk said:
I haven't actually tried black-ops yet, but does sniping in the head still one-hit kill? If so, why not just do that?
It does, but you can't get a shot off as quickly... Also, for reasons that make no sense to me, a suppressed sniper rifle will not one shot-kill, even with a headshot...
Weird, it sounds like a developer must have gotten sick of getting sniped on multi. Odd that they would sacrifice reality so heavily in a shooter hinging on the idea of more realistic combat.
 
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There are 3 things that prevent sniping from being viable. Each one is unique to Black Ops, so people without experience with BO probably don't understand.

1. Treyarch basically broke sniping on purpose. You can't snipe accurately until your scope has been up for at least 3 seconds. This makes camp sniping the only viable option.

2. Black Ops has without a doubt the worst sniping maps of any CoD game. Every map is tight corridors and short alleyways. They're completely unfriendly to long-range combat.

3. On the maps where there are viable sniping spots (which is 2-3 out of 14), you still can't maintain range because of the way the perks are setup. Everyone and their fucking mother runs the Ghost perk, which makes you invisible to radar. So at any time, you can be flanked and have no idea that the enemy is there. Add to that the fact that enemy footsteps are completely silent in this game, and it's very difficult to know where the enemy is compared to previous CoD games.

Any one of those issues would make sniping difficult, but all 3 together make sniping entirely non-viable. You'd be stupid to choose a sniper over an AR in Black Ops if you intend to do well.
I don't even understand why they fucked sniping up so badly. It was perfect in CoD 4, why didn't they just revert it back to that?
 

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No real tips except for this, and this applies to anyone playing. Don't stand in the fucking windows! Your just making yourself an easy target. Even if you stand off to the side, we can still see your rifle hanging out the window; stand back, away from the windows unless you need to get an angle on someone. But after he is dead, or you lost your opportunity to kill him, don't just stand in the window.

Same goes for doorways, there is a reason it's called the fatal funnel.
 

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Vryyk said:
J03bot said:
Vryyk said:
I haven't actually tried black-ops yet, but does sniping in the head still one-hit kill? If so, why not just do that?
It does, but you can't get a shot off as quickly... Also, for reasons that make no sense to me, a suppressed sniper rifle will not one shot-kill, even with a headshot...
Weird, it sounds like a developer must have gotten sick of getting sniped on multi. Odd that they would sacrifice reality so heavily in a shooter hinging on the idea of more realistic combat.
A silenced sniper rifle wasn't a one-shot kill in MW2, either, unless you were running stopping power, which doesn't exist in Blops.
The result of all this? No-one snipes in the console versions, apart from a couple of people with insanely good aim, who are forced to use non-silenced weapons.
 

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Sadly the people saying sniping is dead are more or less right. It's certainly way harder.

Personally, I think it's the maps. The problem is identified by Metallicarulez above me. The map design is probably my least favourite of all the cod games I've played(including MW2, which I really wasn't fond of).

The maps are cluttered and lack variety. In cod4, knowing which maps favoured which weapons was very important. Weapon choice played a large role(until everyone started using that bloody sniper). Balance wasn't perfect, but it was important to choose a gun that suited the map. This has steadily declined since then. In black ops, it really seems to make little difference. There is no idle sway, and so the range of the gun isn't a big issue, since most of the maps don't boast many long range areas. The LMGs don't seem to have a bigger reticule than ARs. It's a toss-up between mobility and power for the most part(range does play some part, but it's reduced).

So yeah, sniping is more or less pointless now. Not really because it's slower. The problem is the maps. The maps have a huge abundance of cover, and there is practically nowehere where you will be able to shoot people when they can't shoot or see you(a snipers main advantage). The enemy team is almost always close enough to mean that close range weapons are more appropriate-the bad spawns aid this. It's not that much slower, and if you're not quickscoping you could afford a second or two, if there was anywhere with a large enough range/lack of cover. But there isn't.

Personally, I think the maps are pretty awful. They're too open. Not as in open spaces, but as in you can be approached from any direction. And the spawning means you often are approached from different directions at once. Unlike cod4, and even MW2, it isn't combat that is split between ends, it is random clusters of people spread throughout the map-the spawning usually means there are two or more people each time you run into someone.

Think of any map in cod4. Briefly describe it in your head. It's pretty easy to do. It's much ahrder for black ops. Where in cod4(and some of MW2) there are a few lines of combat and approach, there are now hundreds of potential routes the enemy can take. It is much harder to figure out where the enemy is likely to be based on your spawn-because they could be in any of five or six different areas, or even several of them. I think the maps are too sprawling, and lack focus, and it really makes the game much more arbitrary.
 

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Simple Bluff said:
GuideBot said:
It's not worth it. Play BFBC2. That has the best multiplayer sniping I've ever experienced.
It was for me too, if only because I can't snipe in any other online game. It just seems so much easier in BC2 than anywhere else.

I haven't played COD:BO yet, but from what i heard it seems like more of a challenge, which may appeal to some people.
I still like how it keeps a part of skill needed to so not just anyone can grab one and use it. I still love getting choppered into a sneaky place and then sniping. Love it jungle style.
 

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Yeah sniping is dead in Black Ops, theres almost no reason to do it. Every sniper rifle I used is a 2-3 shot body shot and a 2 shot headshot except for the bolt action. Even if you camp in black ops they found a way to destroy the spawn system even more and the enemies will just spawn behind you in a matter of minutes, and since you can no longer replenish claymores with scavenger and you can't quickscope its extremely difficult to stay alive in those situations. Honestly I just use an FAL with a reflex scope now, It kills faster than any sniper rifle as long as you can see the target.