Sniping is officially WORTHLESS in Black Ops

[Denamic]

How is abusing auto-aim a 'legitimate playstyle'?

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

Wait, so Treyarch fixed it? They made it better? Now people complain? Oh yeah, that's how it works, I forgot.

 

[ohgodalex]

Seems like everyone who actively wanted quickscoping taken out is just as whiny as those who support quickscoping.

I'm a huge fan of quickscoping, so this is obviously distressing news. However, this does give me an excuse to do what i love; camping like a *****.
Take the good with the bad, gentlemen.

 

[Octorok]

Two words, and listen carefully:
-Sidearm
-Overkill

Those were put in the game to give snipers a chance at close range, and I think even that's a bit too much of a concession. See, there's such a thing as a tradeoff: a guy with a shotgun can nail you in one shot at close range, but it only shoots so far, and he's at the mercy of everyone carrying a weapon with a rifled barrel; he has a maximum range of usefulness, and he willingly accepts that in exchange for the hell he can raise in a building. A guy with an assault rifle is going to be okay at any range, but will only dominate at intermediate ranges; he's still vulnerable to SMGs and shotguns up close, and vulnerable to snipers at a distance. A guy with an LMG is going to be slow and ponderous, and will make an easy target when doing anything other than squeezing the crap out of the trigger. A guy with a sub-machine gun will be fast, agile, and very good in close quarters, like the shotgunner, and while able to kill enemies at a distance, he'll generally be shit at it and will probably need his enemy to be so interested in whatever's in his scope that he won't notice the 9mm bullets plunking into him one by one; he'll also still get owned by the shotgunner up close.

A sniper, on the other hand, can nail you from across the map, but instead of being the polar opposite of the shotgunner, he can kill you in one shot at any range while jumping around like a lunatic. Tell me, where's the tradeoff? Where's the penalty for being able to reach out and touch someone at ranges where the damage dropoff on assault rifles causes kills to require a third of a magazines? There isn't one, and that's why it's bollocks.

This post was so amazingly, frankly right I feel that it not only summed up anything new I might have added, but probably trumped me entirely as well. Why did I post? To award you the ultimate award of a fellow player who can't stand quickscopers and has the intelligence to explain what's been wrong with sniper rifles for the past 3 years in this series.

Here you go, you've earned it -

Your very own pet Owlmera! For devouring your foes, getting you out of those tricky situations that life presents, and being all round awesome since it's a bear-dragon with four heads, two sets of horns and a beak.

deal

.... You don't get an Owlmera....

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

I can't understand the complain; the main problem with snipers quickscoping was the massive damage they do by default, quickscoping with a pistol or a smg is not as cheap as with Sniper rifles. To me it's fine as it is now, and I play with sniper rifles for the record.

 

[Legendsmith]

This thread is misnamed, it should read: Quickscoping is officially WORTHLESS in Black Ops.

 

[Projo]

IF you use a sniper rifle, it should removed your character's feet.


/thread

 

[squballs1234]

Shotguns have no realistic range in CoD but i guess having an actual range would be Op
Also....hiding in the back of the level with a sniper is not being a "*****-ass" snipper, its called BEING A REAL SNIPER! In real life quick scoping would blow your freaking arm off and it wouldn't hit ANYTHING

 

[Octorok]

IF you use a sniper rifle, it should removed your character's feet.


/thread

.... What?

 

[irishstormtrooper]

I don't understand why people support a game where one of the developers completely breaks a legitimate play style in a game just because he's a noob.

"Quickscoping is a cheap way to play. We?re specifically going to gimp Quickscoping, sorry. Play straight-up!" - Josh Olin

1) The correct term is NERF not gimp
2) Quickscoping is only cheap AT TIMES because of the poorly coded aim assist
3) Even with the poorly coded aim assist, quickscoping wasn't even overpowered, ARing and SMGing would beat quickscoping most of the time.
4) Don't be lazy (and break a play style); properly code aim assist but I guess that's too hard

Wait. You're calling one of the people who made the game a noob? Also, it doesn't matter what term he uses, it means the same thing. And, if Josh Olin doesn't like quickscoping and thinks it makes the game less fun than it should be, then it's up to him to change that.

 

[Jezzascmezza]

Then just keep on playing MW2!
No one's telling you to play Black Ops.

 

[Dfskelleton]

Sweet. Now my friends on Xbox Live don't freak out when someone quick scopes them. Now you just need to find the solution to the 14 other things they freak out about and yell hatred into the mic.
Fix everything else that makes me not want to play CoD, and I might get one of them.

 

[Projo]

.... What?

Think about the function of feet in regards to the mobility necessary to play a legitimate sniper.

 

[Pyro Paul]

When you scope in and shoot with a sniper rifle, the bullet will not go where you are aiming unless you WAIT 2 to 3 seconds to shoot after you scope in.
I don't understand why people support a game where one of the developers completely breaks a legitimate play style in a game just because he's a noob.

"Quickscoping is a cheap way to play. We?re specifically going to gimp Quickscoping, sorry. Play straight-up!" - Josh Olin

1) The correct term is NERF not gimp
2) Quickscoping is only cheap AT TIMES because of the poorly coded aim assist
3) Even with the poorly coded aim assist, quickscoping wasn't even overpowered, ARing and SMGing would beat quickscoping most of the time.
4) Don't be lazy (and break a play style); properly code aim assist but I guess that's too hard

The most important thing for competitive online gaming is balance among classes and play styles. Why buy and play a game where the developer purposefully makes the game unbalanced?

So changing a Long Range only weapon so that it is only long range is breaking the game?

do you expect to reliably snipe with an SMG or Pistol which is a close range weapon? Obviously the game is broken because i can not snipe with the MP5!!

1,) the correct term is 'gimp'. Nerf is when you make the weapon less powerful kinda like how nerf weapon are not real weapons. Gimp is when you remove or inhibit features, kinda like how you're a gimp if you break/amputate your leg. you're no less powerful, you just can't walk.

2,) Quick scoping is 'lame' and 'imbalanced' because it is taking a powerful long range weapon and allows it to reliably engage targets at medium-close range.

3,) again, long range weapon verse medium/close range weapons. by default it should be worse off... except through quick scoping you can reliably compete with medium and short range weapon. if you sit at the longest possible range with a sniper you don't expect Shot guns to take you out... do you?

4,) Don't be sad when they remove something that they didn't intend to be in the game. they didn't want it in the game so they out right removed it. it isn't poor coding or bad aim assist. they looked at the game and saw 'Long Range weapon beating out medium close range weapons in medium/close range...' that isn't right.



lastly, The most important thing for competitive online gaming is balance among classes and play styles, as which... a Long Range class is imbalanced if it is capable of engaging targets in every other range.

 

[psivamp]

Two seconds is a bit much. I haven't played yet, but if the time is really 2-3 seconds, that is excessive. That cuts into the ability of a rifleman to even try to defend at moderate range, or to counter-snipe an entrenched sniper. I've made a ton of kills in MW2 on entrenched snipers by lining up a good shot in the first couple seconds down the scope.

Shotguns suck more than in MW2? Shotguns were nerfed for MW2. Buckshot doesn't evaporate 3 yards out and the AA-12 can be fitted with a 32-round drum clip. I understand that everyone would be using the AA-12 if it were realistically portrayed, but 3 loads of buckshot at close-range is ridiculous.

 

[JWAN]

a game dev that prides themselves on trying to make the best attempt possible to create a realistic experience makes it harder to snipe?
no shit sherlock.

Good. Now you play like a real sniper would. Just like it should always have been.

If in real life, if a sniper could aim as fast as in a game, his bullet wouldn't randomly go 5 feet from where he aimed. Every gun can be aimed quicker in a video game (especially on a PC with a mouse) than in real life.

...
When anyone wants to shoot at a long range target they have to be methodical. Even the best snipers in the world needed to take time to make sure they have the scope centered.

you see that gray area around the cross-hairs? If you dont shoot when that's a perfect ring around the scope then your shot will be off to the side with the most gray on it (assuming you have a perfectly sighted in rifle). It also depends on how close you are to the scope, if your head is resting far back on the stock the circle will be smaller (encroaching on the crosshairs) but you will be able to line it up quicker. Thats all important because it takes a second or two to line all that up and if a person can do that in a few seconds then they are a good sniper. Its a great thing they did for a dev that prides themselves on accuracy. I am not trying to be a jerk, im trying to educate you.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.coyotecanada.ca/view_through_scope_I.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.coyotecanada.ca/weapons.html&h=333&w=444&sz=66&tbnid=C7bcYpDrXL0agM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dscope%2Bview&zoom=1&q=scope+view&usg=__-63ELYrKugZ9DTv2r5FNeuxhp3Q=&sa=X&ei=kUnZTMTPKYm_nAflxtSRCg&ved=0CB0Q9QEwAw

^ that is if you cannot see the first

 

[elvor0]

Okaaay so the video shows the death of quick sniping, and you're saying sniping is worthless. Quick sniping is not sniping, it's an exploitation of game mechanics, nothing more, nothing less. Now you may actually have to snipe, the horror.

 

[w-Jinksy]

pretty sure they did this to stop assholes from quickscoping as it is tedious as fuck having people having good old fashioned fun firing off automatic weaponry then some twathat comes along exploiting the auto lock in the game.

pissing off anyone who wants to have fun and isn't breathing rapidly down the mic proclaiming they are mlg pro's, the "xXXx" in the name is optional.

 

[Professor James]

a thread already kind of done this]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.243701-Black-Ops-rage-welcome-to-the-next-year-of-your-life