Sniping is officially WORTHLESS in Black Ops

[Torrasque]

Let me just say as an avid outdoorsman and hunter, Black Ops still isn't "realistic". You can't fire a rifle while running, bullets have drift, drop, and drag, are affected by temperature, humidity, wind, and it takes minutes, not seconds to slow your breathing and line up on a target. So quick scoping doesn't work; that had nothing to do with skill anyway (and yes, any aiming that takes less than 5 seconds is quick scoping), it was all about taking advantage of the aim assist feature. If you want to be a sniper, you shouldn't be able to run around with the highest caliber weapon like Odd Job holding the Golden Gun. If you want to be a sniper in this game, you need some skill now. OMG! Let's all get in an uproar about this. Here is an idea; let's stop comparing this to previous CoD games and maybe judge it on its own merit. Treyarch admitted this one would be distinct from previous titles, they never said how. This is the same argument as people getting pissed about the presence of n00b tubes in MW2. Does anyone else remember that? First, l337s were whining that grenade launchers took away the skill, now the lack of quick scoping takes away the skill? WTF? I'm gonna go play CoD now. Haters can reply to me in the meantime.

Another guy comparing a game to IRL?
I thought all of you were killed ago in the great scourge of "these guys are fucking retarded" long ago!

CoD is a game. A video game. Something not real. It does not exist. It is made up.
Now that we have that dealt with?
CoD tries to be "realistic", and when they say that, they mean "Not like Halo" or "it takes a 1-4 bullets to kill someone, not alot".
A game that threw in all the aspects of real guns wouldn't be fun at all (please refer to: Sniper: Ghost Warrior, or BFBC2)
If I wanted a game to be like real life in every regard, I would just go shoot a gun in real life.
Games are fun only because they are unrealistic to a point, and arguing about how realistic a game should be is stupid.

The rest of your points were fine, noob tubers are all 8 year olds, I am excited to try the game itself, and I think I'll play MW2 one last time before I make the transition.

 

[Wolfenbarg]

Don't be such a crybaby. That's balancing, not making it useless. Quickscoping was broken from the get-go, and this needed to happen. It's sad that a franchise that has recently tried to sell itself on 'realism' has a bunch of crybabies complaining about sniping being like it is in most other games. Oh noes.

 

[monstersquad]

This came as no surprise to me. Treyarch is going to show us once again just how much better they can make a CoD game than IW.

 

[Signa]

That video pissed me off calling proper sniping "being a *****." I SUCK at sniping, even when using a mouse, but I can respect the skill and patience needed to land those shots.

Just watch, once people stop bitching about this, there will be some proper snipers out there that will break the game completely because no one will be able to approach his nest EVER and he will have the best kill/death ratio of anyone in the game: 0 deaths to 15 rage-quits.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

If you want a close-range one shot use a fucking shotgun.

 

[J474]

Why buy and play a game where the developer purposefully makes the game unbalanced?

This was done to balance the game, and give people not quickscoping a chance, not to unbalance it. Think about it properly.

And you say that sniping is worthless in the thread title, then go on to say that quickscoping is worthless, so your argument isn't even consistent.

 

[Last Valiance]

I agree that quickscoping needed to be nerfed badly, but I think they went about it in the wrong way; the delay on hard-scoping accuracy is enough to ruin it for proper snipers.

Instead they simply should have slowed down the animation on aiming in a bit. That's all it would've taken.

 

[rainman2203]

"If you want to be a ***** ass sniper and hang out in the back of the map with claymores and stuff, you know, that's fine."

The guy in the video is dumb. If you have a sniper rifle, you should play with sniper-type strategies. Not even considering the realism of quick scoping, if you are using a fucking sniper rifle you SHOULD lose to anyone else if they catch you in within 50 feet of them while you run around. Hip firing is one thing (I think hip firing snipers should be more effective- a damn sight more than smashing your face to the scope while running full speed and pulling the trigger), but quick scopes were stupid and people who ***** about the nerf are idiots.

Bravo Treyarch. Enjoy the Olypmic-szie swimming pool filled the tears of whiners and the millions of dollars they already threw at you.

 

[emerald2142]

Sniping is worthless now because if you ARE sniping from a sniper position and you see someone in the open, aim at them, and then you have to WAIT to shoot at them so the bullet goes where you aim.

That's what sniping is actually like though, no one's a good enough shot that they can just whip out thier sniper rifle and fire a decent shot off in half a second, you'd still be bringing the rifle up to your face in that time. The idea is you spot someone, then follow and blast them, otherwise all you're doing is quick scoping from a long range, as opposed to actual sniping.

Stop using the "in real life" argument. The other guns in CoD don't perform like they do in real life either, and CoD is far far from a realistic shooter. A game shouldn't try to do actual sniping (and where's the gravity and wind bullet physics) when it doesn't even have actual recoil on the guns. You can't shoot ARs in real life like you do in CoD either.

Team Fortress 2 isn't meant to be realistic at all, for example you can rocket jump, and sniper rifles are crap at close range, like it SHOULD BE. Stop complaining that your 1337 quick-scoping skillz are ruined because a game was made both fair and (more) realistic.

What you don't seem to comprehend is that YES MW2/BO aren't supposed to be all realistic, but people shooting long range weapons at a range of 2-5 meters is complete bullshit.
Think of it this way, if 2 people were in a room together, a small room around the size of a bedroom or kitchen, and one person has an SMG and the other has a sniper rifle. The SMG wielding person should ALWAYS win, no exceptions, until the sniper pulls out a pistol or tries to rush the other guy with a knife. Skill is irrelevent, no matter how unrealistic a game is in every other way, shit like quickscoping just doesn't happen.

 

[Ensiferum]

Good. Quickscoping was overpowered anyway.

 

[Mcface]

When you scope in and shoot with a sniper rifle, the bullet will not go where you are aiming unless you WAIT 2 to 3 seconds to shoot after you scope in.


I don't understand why people support a game where one of the developers completely breaks a legitimate play style in a game just because he's a noob.

"Quickscoping is a cheap way to play. We?re specifically going to gimp Quickscoping, sorry. Play straight-up!" - Josh Olin

1) The correct term is NERF not gimp
2) Quickscoping is only cheap AT TIMES because of the poorly coded aim assist
3) Even with the poorly coded aim assist, quickscoping wasn't even overpowered, ARing and SMGing would beat quickscoping most of the time.
4) Don't be lazy (and break a play style); properly code aim assist but I guess that's too hard

The most important thing for competitive online gaming is balance among classes and play styles. Why buy and play a game where the developer purposefully makes the game unbalanced?

EDIT: Stop using the "in real life" argument for being in favor of what Treyarch has done. In real life, you can't aim and shoot at a moving target at medium range and be successful. In real life, you have to stop, and take a few seconds to properly line up a shot with an assault rifle as well. Why should sniping adhere to real life while using an assault rifle and other guns don't adhere to real life?

EDIT #2: Stop telling me to go back to MW2. I only played MW2 for a few hours at my cousin's place and saw how broken it was so I never even considered buying it. The only CoD game I've ever purchased was CoD4. I don't like buying the same game every year. Furthermore, I don't snipe in any game online game I play because I'm a crap sniper.

This is not even all about quickscoping, it's about sniping. Now when you are sniping from a normal sniper's position and you see someone in the open and aim at them, you have to wait a second or so to shoot at them so the bullet actually goes where you aimed.

Quickscoping is cheap.
It uses the games autoaim feature plus the accuracy and power of a sniper to get a cheap and easy kill. This change is for the better. Know you actually have to learn to shoot. wahwah.

 

[Kair]

Elitists whining that they can't be quick scope sluts is pointless.

 

[fgdfgdgd]

1) The correct term is NERF not gimp
2) Quickscoping is only cheap AT TIMES because of the poorly coded aim assist
3) Even with the poorly coded aim assist, quickscoping wasn't even overpowered, ARing and SMGing would beat quickscoping most of the time.
4) Don't be lazy (and break a play style); properly code aim assist but I guess that's too hard

The most important thing for competitive online gaming is balance among classes and play styles. Why buy and play a game where the developer purposefully makes the game unbalanced?

EDIT #2: Stop telling me to go back to MW2. I only played MW2 for a few hours at my cousin's place and saw how broken it was so I never even considered buying it. The only CoD game I've ever purchased was CoD4. I don't like buying the same game every year. Furthermore, I don't snipe in any game online game I play because I'm a crap sniper.

This is not even all about quickscoping, it's about sniping. Now when you are sniping from a normal sniper's position and you see someone in the open and aim at them, you have to wait a second or so to shoot at them so the bullet actually goes where you aimed.

1: NERF is a culture refrence whereas gimp is a cripple. Both are correct in their useage and you're just picking nits.
2: All the pratice it takes is timing, the right timing to fire after the scope auto scopes onto a target is an exploit of the aim assist.
3: Then just use an AR or SMG or god forbid an LMG.
4: Why waste time and resources testing the functionality of a game mechanic that you can fix by disabling it's one exploitable feature?

5: I just spent the last 2 days playing this game, and have been a veteran since CoD3, they haven't had a more balanced multiplayer than this, saying it's unbalanced because they took out a way for sniper rifles to be shotguns is just ignorant and is a grave injustice to all the work they've done ballancing the game, the noobtube has been tonned way down and you can't get more ammo for it (or claymores for that fact), frags have a good kill radius without being the holy hand grenade, running classes are feesible but require far more skill (ala no tac knife or commando) killstreaks are no longer kill whored into existance, the removal of Stoping Power has opened up diveristy of classes as well as no more one hit kill assault rifles.

6: You're not fooling anyone, if you're honestly not a quickscoper, and only played MW2 for a few hours, why the hell would you come here complaining about something that by all rights shouldn't mean shit to you? You're the same kind of ass that spammed the treyarch forums for days after this was announced, yelling and crying and slandering THE COMMUNITY MANAGER who has no influence over multiplayer other than communicating to the dev team what the community wants, and guess what? the community wanted quickscoping gone. Go watch some more machinema montages and stop wasting our time.

-- Man whose sick of hearing this shit.

 

[Snotnarok]

OP The game isn't unbalanced because they fixed sniper rifles, sniper rifles are for LONG RANGE not this up close nonsense. If you want to run around one shotting people at close range there's already a gun for that, it's called a shotgun.

I don't snipe in any shooter because I suck at it. But snipers should have the ability to have one shot at winning a close range battle, with an automatic gun you have like 10 shots to kill compared to a sniper. Now snipers have that ONE SHOT but know it's just plain luck based with no skill; How is that an improvement?

You're supposed to be shooting at long range, if someone gets close you rely on your secondary weapon. It's nonsense that you can kill in ONE bullet at long range and then ONE close range.

See with a shotgun you get to kill people close range but when someone spots you at long range you're at disadvantage.

That's how it works you pick long range you're good at long but suck at short. You can't have it all in one package

THANK YOU Snotnarok! I couldn't have put it better myself.

Dude no freaking need to thank me. I get this ALL the time.
"But what happens when someone gets close! I have to defend myself! It's not fair otherwise!"

Yes, yes it is perfectly fair. This is why in most games I don't get to enjoy shotguns because they're "Overpowered" because they kill at closer range......DUH That's what they do!

 

[binvjoh]

For fuck sake, it's not worthless.

Do you really think you'd be able to snipe perfectly straight just as you bring up the scope? No, of course not.

Treyarch did a nice job balancing, people need to stop bitching.

 

[Russian_Assassin]

It's a new game. You can expect every game to conform to your preconceived notions of what an fps should have. If you don't like it, don't play the game, or try to get used to it. Think of it as something new to conquer.

Personally I am glad about this. I hated quickscoping. Made multiplayer unbearable for me...

 

[Seydaman]

Good God there's a lot of whiners.

They're making sniper rifles, you know more like sniper rifles and not rush weapons? Kudos Treyarch, Kudos.

I might be picking this one up sooner than I thought.

I see a pattern in this thread
....
Treyarch may have just gained some sales from this.

 

[Kinguendo]

Oh no, time to play... like a sniper. :O

Who wouldda thunk it? Choosing a sniper and playing like a sniper... fucking hell, thats confusing.

 

[Painful illusion]

I'm glad they took that quickscoping crap out of the game. If you want to quickscope stop complaining and go back to glitched filled mw2. A sniper is supposed to not be seen and use claymores not run around the map like he has an ar or smg. So hopefully I can play against you and hard scope you....many times.

 

[DTWolfwood]

Sucks for all you whiny bitches out there.

Lucky this has no relevance to playing in hardcore.