So about that Total Biscuit article....

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Kerg3927

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Also here is a theory about why so many people seem to be more asshole-ish on the internet. It's because the internet allows people to express their views without fear of getting punched in the face. Seriously the worst thing that can happen to 99% of shitposters and dicks on the net is a ban from a current forum or website, which is usually easy to get around if you really wanted to.

That freedom allows people to talk without needing any kind of PC-filter. This goes for everyone no matter what your views are.

And it happens on both sides. Look how much I got called a "victim blamer" regardless of what your views on the situation are people are quick to ignore the question I have repeated here and in other thread of, "How is no one held somewhat responsible for their actions?" and instead of saying "here's why" or whatever, people just label it victim blaming and offer no other recourse.

People have an attitude these days that the moment you question someone's beliefs or feelings, you immediately are accused of being insulting and then labeled which ironically is insulting the very person you said is insulting you. Why are questions insulting? Are people's feelings and beliefs so shallow that they can't defend them without resorting to some sort of bashing?

Clearly people think I'm victim blaming. Why? In what reality should someone be able to do something, talk about something and expect no response? If you really thought that a thread about harassment was going to have everyone suddenly hold hands around the Christmas tree and sing "Joy to the World" like its the fucking Grinch Who Stole Christmas if shows how incredible naive you must really be. If that was the response there wouldn't even have needed to be a thread about harassment in the first place. Obviously that kind of topic was going to get a fairly aggressive response. And if you couldn't see that or expect it, then lesson learnt right? Now next time she writes an article like this, if there ever is a next time, then hopefully she'll have some knowledge of the kind of response she'll face.

That doesn't mean I say the response is okay, because it's not. There is simply a reality to how the internet works, and it isn't going to change anytime soon if ever.

Maybe Google needs to invent an AI that polices what people say online. "I'm sorry you are using the word fuck too much and you have been locked out of the internet for 72 hours."
Accusing someone of "victim blaming" when they are just questioning whether someone might have been better off doing something differently in order to avoid a bad result is a cop out argument. To me it's the flipside of when someone screws up and tries to explain why it happened, and then they get shouted down and told that nobody wants to hear their "excuses." Both tactics are cheap.

Looking at the whole picture and analyzing why something happened and what could be done differently in the future is a good thing, a constructive thing. It's how you get better results in the future. To summarily dismiss it all as "victim blaming" or "excuses" is lazy and not constructive at all.

As far as the internet, it's the wild west out there, and that's not going to change without the greater evils of censorship and freedom of speech infringement.

If you're going to be a public internet figure, you need to accept that your words could piss some people off and it could result in harassment. And there is nobody out there to protect you from that. And just saying you "should" be able to say whatever you want and not get harassed is another lazy argument that has no meaning. Because there's nobody out there to enforce the violation of what "should" have been possible, and there probably never will be.

As a modern example, there was that guy who recently went over to North Korea and came back a vegetable. Yeah, he "should" have been able to go over there without coming to harm. But maybe it was a bad idea? It "should" be okay to ask that question without being accused of "victim blaming."
 

The Lunatic

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No, that's for individuals to decide on a case-by-case basis. I know If someone anonymously sent me a photo of one of my employees howling with hate at a white power rally with a goddamn torch in his hand, I'd fire him without a second's hesitation. If he were a friend or family member, I would make sure he were not welcome in mine or anyone else's home that I knew.
This is absurd.

Numerous times the exact thing you're talking about has affected innocent people who've committed the crime of vaguely resembling a blurry photo. It is absolutely not your job to enforce the law, or take it into your own hands. It is up to the authorities, vigilantism, especially moral vigilantism is extremely fallible and has far too much of a risk of affecting innocent people.

Added to that, you enter into a very slippery slope. Are you saying there's nothing on this forum you'd not want your employer to see? What if your employer disagreed with the opinion you just raised and it was reported to them?

I wouldn't want to employ somebody who endorsed moral vigilantism.

I guess there's an irony in that. As much as the left takes bits and pieces from communism and socialism. The whole "Not being a slave to your employers whims" appears to be a part they missed.
 

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This is absurd.

Numerous times the exact thing you're talking about has affected innocent people who've committed the crime of vaguely resembling a blurry photo. It is absolutely not your job to enforce the law, or take it into your own hands. It is up to the authorities, vigilantism, especially moral vigilantism is extremely fallible and has far too much of a risk of affecting innocent people.

Added to that, you enter into a very slippery slope. Are you saying there's nothing on this forum you'd not want your employer to see? What if your employer disagreed with the opinion you just raised and it was reported to them?

I wouldn't want to employ somebody who endorsed moral vigilantism.

I guess there's an irony in that. As much as the left takes bits and pieces from communism and socialism. The whole "Not being a slave to your employers whims" appears to be a part they missed.
You represent your employer.

Seriously, I work in retail banking, have a role that requires me to sit down in a cramped office with people for long stretches of time, discuss their background, hopes, aspirations, children, etc. There have been clients of mine who have refugee status. What would I possibly say to my boss if they sat me down and asked "is this you here on youtube calling for mass deporations of Latverian refugees under the name Jademunky777?"

And also, no obviously I do not think it is a good idea to go on witch-hunts for people who vaguely look like someone in a photo. I do, however, think people should be held accountable for the things they say and do. I am not a judge, do not have any power to imprison, levy fines or other restrictions on anyone. I can, however, refuse to encourage hiring or associating with people I don't think I can conduct myself safely around. If that's moral vigilantism, ok.
 

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I'd just be interested to see what really happened between TB and Laura during the aftermath.

TB said that they had a conversation, and he suggested that they go their separate ways, because the circles that she moves in will always hate him, and her for associating herself with him.

She then came out saying that he had said to her, that they no longer had any form of relationship - professional or personal.

I get that 140 characters is very few to play around with, but I would be very interested to see whether or not TB was very blunt, or whether she is exaggerating this.
 

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I'd just be interested to see what really happened between TB and Laura during the aftermath.

TB said that they had a conversation, and he suggested that they go their separate ways, because the circles that she moves in will always hate him, and her for associating herself with him.

She then came out saying that he had said to her, that they no longer had any form of relationship - professional or personal.

I get that 140 characters is very few to play around with, but I would be very interested to see whether or not TB was very blunt, or whether she is exaggerating this.
This was posted on the cynicalbritoffical subreddit

FYI he didn't end his friendship with Laura. He tweeted soon after that they'd sorted things out privately. It just looks like they were both understandably upset and emotional.

Yes we are sure. That info came direct from TB to us. It shouldn't even be public info this is none of our business but people tweet things in anger they quickly regret and remove because human beings aren't perfect, including the famous ones

-Cynbritmodteam
https://np.reddit.com/r/cynicalbritofficial/comments/6u5izr/totalbiscuit_on_dealing_with_the_hate/dlru15y/

And theres a link for verification even though I have no idea if links are acceptable here.
 

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It's good that they patched things up privately, but TB really comes off as a shit friend.
 

EternallyBored

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It's good that they patched things up privately, but TB really comes off as a shit friend.
I've had friends like TB, he comes off as the type that's smart and self assured in just the right way that he loves going off half cocked whenever he feels riteously angry or justified, which can be great if you're looking for someone who's willing to jump in and fight for what they believe in or defend you from someone. The general problem with that approach is when he then has to walk his opinion back because in his perceived riteous indignation the situation wasn't actually as black and white as he thought or he ends up putting his foot in his mouth because he came off as more aggressive or insulting than is really warranted, or he ends up proposing extreme solutions for problems that don't require it. Generally he realizes that he tends to propose or say things without thinking them through, and has admitted to that issue in the past
In this specific case,like when TB nuked his YouTube comments section, he tends to go for very dramatic solutions both in private and in public apparently.

That boys got a temper on him, at least he seems to realize that and tries to patch things up when he starts mouthing off about things prematurely.
 

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Fappy said:
It's good that they patched things up privately, but TB really comes off as a shit friend.
TotalDipshit is such a toxic, vile person that he didn?t get cancer, cancer got HIM.