So, Bahar Mustafa has been charged with RMMC (according to the Guardian)

[Jack Action]

My dad is a white man, I love my dad, and would rather not see him killed.
So, yeah, if she's getting in trouble for spewing hate, I'm glad. I'd expect the same thing if someone was going around saying "Kill all Jewish men", for example.

I'm a white (uh, I think) man (technically), and I'd rather not be killed. Still think she should be allowed to say I should die.

Although she seems willfully ignorant and quite...umm, committed to the cause, I am genuinly worried that this is more to do with the tories enforcing their political vision than for the safety of the public. This may not only strengthen her cause, but also allow stricter anti-protest arrests. Protests which will no doubt be required in the coming years.

^and that would be why not punishing people for saying stupid shit is so important. It's all fun and games and pointing and laughing at the bad people getting slapped, up until someone adds a small addendum along the lines of "said bad things about the government".

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

I'm a white (uh, I think) man (technically), and I'd rather not be killed. Still think she should be allowed to say I should die.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I prefer my humans whole and unkilled. More to crunch on.

 

[Jack Action]

I'm a white (uh, I think) man (technically), and I'd rather not be killed. Still think she should be allowed to say I should die.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I prefer my humans whole and unkilled. More to crunch on.

Yeah, but you're disagreeing with her there, not me. I mean, being dead would make it kinda hard for me to enjoy my booze and deathsticks.

 

[Katherine Kerensky]

Yeah, but you're disagreeing with her there, not me. I mean, being dead would make it kinda hard for me to enjoy my booze and deathsticks.

Nah, I also disagree with you about letting people call for killing all white men, or anyone, really. Probably because I'm an evil, oppressive mod.
And the deathsticks. You don't want to buy deathsticks.
...
Did it work? I've been working on my Jedi impression.

 

[DefunctTheory]

I remember reading some of her tweets, and yah, a lot of them were disgusting in the extreme. A few of them were even tap dancing on the edge of what I would consider legitimately calling for violence in wording.

But, ultimately, in laws like this intent means a lot, and I simply don't think there was any violent intent here. Seems like a lot of vile posturing and distasteful bullshit, without a lot of expectation or wishing of action. I still wish she had got fired (Less then 3% of the student union who elected her agree though, so that ship has sailed), but it seems government action may be a bit much.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

"Racist language is inappropriate in any setting and through any media. We hope this case will serve as a warning to anyone who may think that comments made online are somehow beyond the law." - A 3 year old quote from Jim Brisbane, chief crown prosecutor for the crown prosecution service in Wales in relation to a young mans racist tweets about a footballer for which he was jailed for 56 days.

Thought it was relevant, I mean, I still think its really fucked up to go to jail over saying some ignorant and stupid things on the internet but there it is.

So, what I'm getting from this is that the UK kinda sucks.

'MURICA.

FUCK YEAH.

Etc.

Anywho. Being arrested for saying something offensive on twitter is just dumb...so she must have said something a bit more than just 'lolwhitepeopledie.' But, in general, unless it's straight up threatening. With detailed information. The kind of stuff the FBI would be notified about, not just "lolimmakillyou" or some other nonsense, like that poor Justin Carter bastard then...eh?

So, while I think she's a terrible prejudiced/racist person...I'm gonna have to back her on this.

She doesn't seem like the type to throw out a serious threat. Kind of a meek, cowardly sort.

 

[halisme]

On one hand, I support free speech and think people should be allowed to say what they want so long as it isn't libel or slander.

On the other hand, she's the exact type of person who'd want this law in place and now has had it turned against her and I enjoy irony.

 

[Jack Action]

Yeah, but you're disagreeing with her there, not me. I mean, being dead would make it kinda hard for me to enjoy my booze and deathsticks.

Nah, I also disagree with you about letting people call for killing all white men, or anyone, really. Probably because I'm an evil, oppressive mod.
And the deathsticks. You don't want to buy deathsticks.
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Did it work? I've been working on my Jedi impression.

Oh, sure, everyone's just a punch-clock minion, doing their jobs, working their 9-5 for Evil.Inc.

Also, nope.

I'm a white (uh, I think) man (technically), and I'd rather not be killed. Still think she should be allowed to say I should die.

I posted this back on page 1:

It doesn't say she's being charged for the #killallwhitemen hashtag.

But there's going to be five more pages of people assuming this anyway, so this will fall on deaf ears.

Noticed, repeating didn't seem like it would be very useful. The point still stands. Also, note that I agreed with Xsjadoblayde's post on this.

 

[Areloch]

Unless she was explicitly making a call for violence or actively discriminating, I don't believe jailtime or fines are warranted.

That said, I maintain my prior position regarding her, namely that I don't think one should be a diversity officer if she's being discriminating or racist/sexist. It kinda defeats the purpose and if she keeps it up, she shouldn't keep her position.

 

[MiskWisk]

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I would like to note that I used that as an example of the attitude of people like her. That they view something as extreme as saying "kill all white men" is somehow an acceptable joke is something that I personally find abhorrent. It will be something stupid she said online in the same vein but because I don't know I felt that tweet exemplified it best.

 

[Jack Action]

Noticed, repeating didn't seem like it would be very useful. The point still stands. Also, note that I agreed with Xsjadoblayde's post on this.

It's just a slippery slope fallacy there. I'm no fan of the Tories that's for sure, but tinfoil hat wearing theories isn't something we need to worry about, especially when this has been around for decades (just the laws updated it for computers).

Not really, it's not an unrelated result. We'll probably disagree on this, but I doubt she'd have gotten in any trouble at all if she hadn't said "tories," who from what I understand are either very close to being elected (or have already been).

 

[chadachada123]

Like most others here, I disagree that any tweets seen here, including "#KillAllWhiteMen, should be considered threatening, and as another noted, her speech would be protected in the US because there is no imminence to her vague threats, aside from possibly that Tory one.

Still, she is probably (assumption) the same type of person to SUPPORT the very law she's being charged with, never expecting they would use it on a poor non-white woman like herself. Reaping what she sowed, so to speak. And that's shamefully pleasurable, I must admit, seeing a racist and sexist bigot get a taste of equality.

I posted this back on page 1:

It doesn't say she's being charged for the #killallwhitemen hashtag.

But there's going to be five more pages of people assuming this anyway, so this will fall on deaf ears.

Well it's a good thing I didn't claim that, isn't it? We're on The Escapist, putting words in others mouths isn't cool.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

You know I know she shouldn't have been. I know she didn't break any laws. But I'm just grinning from ear to ear at this. What a *****.

 

[halisme]

Both the Left and Right wing in Britain want these laws. The Right wants them to be stricter in fact.

I know, I live there, or here. Our politics are a bit screwed up at the moment.

 

[Jack Action]

Not really, it's not an unrelated result. We'll probably disagree on this, but I doubt she'd have gotten in any trouble at all if she hadn't said "tories," who from what I understand are either very close to being elected (or have already been).

We will disagree purely because that Tory thing is also unrelated.

Trust me if criticising a political party was now getting people arrested, that would be absolutely humongous news. It would be the top story on every news channel and paper.

Huh. What in the hell did she do, then?

Also, yes, it would, which is why it never starts with criticizing. It starts with selective enforcement of laws (in this case, inciting violence). THEN comes the obvious stuff.

Granted, that's entirely academic if her getting in trouble is unrelated to the Tories thing.

 

[dohnut king]

I'm delighted that a person who no doubt hates the U.S. has inadvertently provided another ex post facto justification for the American Revolution. Her odious views deserve mockery, not prosecution. Prosecuting her will give her a platform and allow her to claim the martyr's mantle. She should just be mocked, something I thought the Brits were experts at.