If you care to elaborate on why ghosts are stupid but religion is not, I'm all earsjakko12345 said:
You should check that wiki page again because it says quite clearly you're wrong. Any Kirlian photography information that links to human aura's and more importantly emotional state affecting these aura's is bullshit. I say that without looking into the subject further because I know it's a waste of my time.kouriichi said:Lol. I love it when people trollkouriichi said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))
As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.
Are you the troll or is he?kouriichi said:Lol. I love it when people trollScharanoidPizofrenic said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))
As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.
So your saying my entire theory makes no sense, because there are echos in spacetime, and that our auras do affect space time? xDScharanoidPizofrenic said:You should check that wiki page again because it says quite clearly you're wrong. Any Kirlian photography information that links to human aura's and more importantly emotional state affecting these aura's is bullshit. I say that without looking into the subject further because I know it's a waste of my time.kouriichi said:Lol. I love it when people trollkouriichi said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))
As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.
The percentage of people actually capable to comprehend the concept of spacetime is rather small. Sure you've read the wiki page but unless you've studied physics on a high level you won't understand by a longshot. An Echo in spacetime is such a vague concept that I doubt you have any idea what it means yourself, you just fart out some brainshit that looks like it could mean something. Spacetime is affected by large masses, the mass of energy is so small that it does not bend spacetime at all on a relative level.
You clearly don't grasp the concept of spacetime, you keep repeating that our "aura's" affect spacetime as if that's even relevant or true somehow. Even if the aura's did affect spacetime on a relevant level all that would mean is that our aura's have a larger gravitational field. Which is ofcourse bullshit, you're still a longshot away from linking your "echos" in spacetime to physical events like air drawing in heat.
Yup xD Ive read up alot on fields.thePyro_13 said:Are you the troll or is he?kouriichi said:Lol. I love it when people trollScharanoidPizofrenic said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))
As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.
Did you read the link you posted? This effect is observable in both living and non-living objects. Anything that conducts electricity is likely to show this effect. It is more than likely something similar to an electro-magnetic field. Which, sure, can effect gravity and spacetime.
You're not going to try and argue that the field shown in the picture of the coin or leaf demonstrates that coins and leaves can feel and remember traumatic events are you?
It's just a residual weak electric field, not very paranormal at all. It's static electricity not emotion or memory. None of the "scientific" material linked shows any admission that the field can store emotions, only that it does exist and is of a general electrical nature that can be converted into light through specific photographic techniques.
The "in popular culture" section list all kinds of out there non-sense, but none of it is legit.
Note that this field(as expected of any electrical field) dissipates seconds after the source is removed. Making the claim that these fields can harbour emotions or trauma and "haunt" places, ridiculous.
Love it when people try and use this quote as it makes it so blatantly obvious they're just rabitting stuff without thinking for themselves.Kargathia said:
kouriichi said:So your saying my entire theory makes no sense, because there are echos in spacetime, and that our auras do affect space time? xDScharanoidPizofrenic said:You should check that wiki page again because it says quite clearly you're wrong. Any Kirlian photography information that links to human aura's and more importantly emotional state affecting these aura's is bullshit. I say that without looking into the subject further because I know it's a waste of my time.kouriichi said:Lol. I love it when people trollkouriichi said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))
As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.
The percentage of people actually capable to comprehend the concept of spacetime is rather small. Sure you've read the wiki page but unless you've studied physics on a high level you won't understand by a longshot. An Echo in spacetime is such a vague concept that I doubt you have any idea what it means yourself, you just fart out some brainshit that looks like it could mean something. Spacetime is affected by large masses, the mass of energy is so small that it does not bend spacetime at all on a relative level.
You clearly don't grasp the concept of spacetime, you keep repeating that our "aura's" affect spacetime as if that's even relevant or true somehow. Even if the aura's did affect spacetime on a relevant level all that would mean is that our aura's have a larger gravitational field. Which is ofcourse bullshit, you're still a longshot away from linking your "echos" in spacetime to physical events like air drawing in heat.
And ALL things effect spacetime. Every object with mass ((for something to exist it basically must)) effects the spacetime.
And if you knew alot about Kirlian photo's, youd know they capture the L-field of living things. ((Which is a literal energy field.))
And you are right, the field is effected by a persons mental state, AND as i said in my first post "traumatic events" could be what cause these ripples. During traumatic events, no doubt a person would be feeling intense fear/anger/sadness, which out effect their field.
xD You help prove my theory by saying ripples possibly do exist, tell me that i was right about the field, and curse like a mad man? A logical person as you said you are would have noticed this half way through your post, and that posting it would have just made YOU seem like less of a rational person here. Considering most ration people dont use phrases such as "fart out some brainshit". The simple fact you took this from "Debate" to "RAAAAAGE *Curse curse insult*" in a thread about something that "probably" doesnt exist anyway proves your not logical.
You my friend, :3 are the "deluded" one.
The have to use special film rolls to even make in visible on photo's
As i said in my other post,Ranorak said:kouriichi said:So your saying my entire theory makes no sense, because there are echos in spacetime, and that our auras do affect space time? xDScharanoidPizofrenic said:You should check that wiki page again because it says quite clearly you're wrong. Any Kirlian photography information that links to human aura's and more importantly emotional state affecting these aura's is bullshit. I say that without looking into the subject further because I know it's a waste of my time.kouriichi said:Lol. I love it when people trollkouriichi said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))
As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.
The percentage of people actually capable to comprehend the concept of spacetime is rather small. Sure you've read the wiki page but unless you've studied physics on a high level you won't understand by a longshot. An Echo in spacetime is such a vague concept that I doubt you have any idea what it means yourself, you just fart out some brainshit that looks like it could mean something. Spacetime is affected by large masses, the mass of energy is so small that it does not bend spacetime at all on a relative level.
You clearly don't grasp the concept of spacetime, you keep repeating that our "aura's" affect spacetime as if that's even relevant or true somehow. Even if the aura's did affect spacetime on a relevant level all that would mean is that our aura's have a larger gravitational field. Which is ofcourse bullshit, you're still a longshot away from linking your "echos" in spacetime to physical events like air drawing in heat.
And ALL things effect spacetime. Every object with mass ((for something to exist it basically must)) effects the spacetime.
And if you knew alot about Kirlian photo's, youd know they capture the L-field of living things. ((Which is a literal energy field.))
And you are right, the field is effected by a persons mental state, AND as i said in my first post "traumatic events" could be what cause these ripples. During traumatic events, no doubt a person would be feeling intense fear/anger/sadness, which out effect their field.
xD You help prove my theory by saying ripples possibly do exist, tell me that i was right about the field, and curse like a mad man? A logical person as you said you are would have noticed this half way through your post, and that posting it would have just made YOU seem like less of a rational person here. Considering most ration people dont use phrases such as "fart out some brainshit". The simple fact you took this from "Debate" to "RAAAAAGE *Curse curse insult*" in a thread about something that "probably" doesnt exist anyway proves your not logical.
You my friend, :3 are the "deluded" one.
dude....
Read the wiki page.
Not only do non-living materials like coins give of the Emotional and mental aura. It's freaking tiny.
It's barely 2 millimetres big, And you're seriously suggest that this can cause a ripple in space time, and manifest as a ghost sighting?
But if that doesn't convince you, maybe this will.
The have to use special film rolls to even make in visible on photo's
Or this little tit-bit:
Witness' by nature are discredited. Their's a reason that scam websites plaster themselves with testimonials, it's because such claims are easy to fabricate, can be quoted out of context(to create any many you desire), often leave out important information that might discredit them(watch the qualiasoup video on the second page), and impossible to verify(the real problem here, as most of these witness's probably aren't being maliciously fabricated).kouriichi said:
). I would love for all this stuff about ghosts and spirits to be true, it'd make life much more interesting. And that's part of the reason I feel we should be so hard on half ass'd claims of ghosts and dodgy TV shows claiming to "scientifically" investigate ghosts when all they really do is talk crap and jump at shadows and house creaks. If it is real, it'll take some real effort a research to find tangible proof of it, while any real evidence is drowned under tarot cards and other nonsense.1. The most logical conclusion you have come to? so that means becuse you say it is we shouldnt question it? Many brilliant minds have pondered the same thing as you and come to the opposite conclusion- if you think that you're their equal forgive me if I think you arrogant.kouriichi said:
What, what can't we explain with science to do with ghosts?Tentickles said:
Eh, yeah, its fine.thePyro_13 said:Witness' by nature are discredited. Their's a reason that scam websites plaster themselves with testimonials, it's because such claims are easy to fabricate, can be quoted out of context(to create any many you desire), often leave out important information that might discredit them(watch the qualiasoup video on the second page), and impossible to verify(the real problem here, as most of these witness's probably aren't being maliciously fabricated).kouriichi said:
They simply cannot be used to prove anything. With is a shame, since most paranormal evidence tends to comprise entirely of testimonials. When people start trying to prove ghosts using science, things become a lot easier for all of us.
For instance, the L-fields linked, are exactly the same as the fields on the previous link, they make no distinction between life and rock, they are described as the same phenomena, and show the same behaviours(even cross referencing the same Russian scientist). This guy gave it another name, but that doesn't change what it is. They are a by product of the way the physical world works, that does mean that some of the stuff shown is accurate(such as the frog egg thing shown by Burrs studys) but not the reverse, the field is not controlling us(it isn't a soul), it doesn't dictate which way the frog rests in it's egg, it just reacts to the way the flog is sitting.
It also exists for non-living objects(even if you want to call it something different), which make any connection to emotion or memory very unlikely. It reacts to the intensity of energy(in this case electrical) in a body, allowing it to spike at emotional or traumatic points, but its doesn't discriminate or show any useful data.
The fact that it dissipates after death makes perfect sense, as many of our bodily functions are based on electrical signals, this field is really just static electricity.
I'm all for believing what you want, and I won't tell you not to believe it(I wouldn't expect you to listen even if I did tell you
Anyway, thanks for the links and discussion, it was fun to read. I'm off to play some games.
