So Dragon Age 3.... No Pressure?

[Delsana]

Well, as someone who enjoyed Dragon Age II and didn't ***** about the ME3 ending. I'm sure I'll be happy with what they give us.

As someone who found mass effects 3 ending interesting i also can not wait for dragon age 3 (although with the bioware releases lately i will be avoiding this forum the moment it comes out. Since it will probably be filled with people complaining anyway.

That they will. Never have I seen such a horrible fanbase as Biowares.

You can insult us all you like.. but if you even try to deny all the lies, inaccuracies, plot destruction and plotholes, hypocrisy, and insults BioWare has given their community that stood with them for 10+ years... then you are an idiot. Yes, I insulted you, because that's what you deserve if you'll just handwave all that. Sure, you were able to suspend your disbelief with all the errors they made and the things they screwed up, congratulations and I'm glad you had fun.. but no one can say they didn't screw up if they look at the real facts.

No, not screw up, they fucked up.

 

[Singapore Sling]

Well, if Bioware takes the time, DA:3 might be a good game...
But, like a lot of people, I'll keep a close eye on reviews/first thoughts/demos and I'll not blindly purchase it like I did with DA:2.

In itself, DA:2 is not pure rubbish (except for the recycled, bland areas : I don't think I've read positive things about them).

It even did a few things right : I enjoyed the rivalry/friendship and the fast paced combat. I installed a few mods to tweak the leveling up system and the enemies strength, switch to a dual wielding rogue, and it ended up being really fun.

But some aspects of the game felt sooo half-assed like the alchemy, the crafting system or the loot drops. I mean, at that point, why bother ? It felt insulting to get some "empty stained bottle" or "moth-eaten scarf".
Oh, and the dog... Enough said.

But back to DA:III. Orlais. Might be nice. However, I pray most characters won't fake that annoying French accent. Voice acting is a strong point of Bioware's games. It would be a pity to spoil it... (Granted, my fist language is French, so, on that, I'm quite picky.)

I hope the game will use more of the lore : the Maker abandoning the world, magic being perceived as a sin or as the ultimate mind controlling weapon, Flemmeth and her master plan, so on and so forth.

 

[Fappy]

True, though I think Bioware's mastered the art of interpreting bitching at this point. A certain level of bitching is perfectly within their acceptable level of positive/negative feedback. If only 60% of them complain its a win.

I think 60% is a tad unreasonable given how BSN is, I would put it up to 80%.

I recently went on there to see how EC was being received and found a huge thread of people complaining about how there should have been an option to

Spoiler

save Thane.

I facepalmed.

 

[SajuukKhar]

I recently went on there to see how EC was being received and found a huge thread of people complaining about how there should have been an option to

Spoiler

save Thane.

I facepalmed.

BSN wouldn't be happy unless there was a way to get an ending were no one dies, yet EVERYTHING works out in the best possible way for everyone.

People complained that you couldn't save Hawk's mom in DA2, it really didn't bother me because sometimes, no matter how good you are, you just cant save everyone.

 

[Augustine]

I am neutral to the prospect of DA3. Will only purchase it after it's proven worthwhile. I have little tolerance for promises after the second installment.

 

[Delsana]

I recently went on there to see how EC was being received and found a huge thread of people complaining about how there should have been an option to

Spoiler

save Thane.

I facepalmed.

BSN wouldn't be happy unless there was a way to get an ending were no one dies yet EVERYTHING works out in the best possible way.

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Stop insulting things you know nothing about. Also, that ending actually happens pretty often in games and movies. Also, BioWare's community for ME1 loved the sacrifices for Ashley and Kaiden.. though ME2 did the sacrifices pretty cheaply, they were still given a relative thumbs up.

You're insulting a community you don't understand and you're ignoring all that's wrong with BioWare at the same time. They did make a game that shat bricks, and those bricks had the potential to be gold.. then they decided to make some feces instead.

I will never buy another BioWare game and I followed them from the beginning. Instead, I will borrow or play them in other means just to see if they turn out of the feces path. If they do, I'll rent their games.

BioWare is full of liars, hypocrites, writers who think they know better than the rest of the entire team, and a ton of potential that was wasted and now... now it is owned by EA. Yes, EA.. which has no positive to it outside of back when they were first created.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Stop insulting things you know nothing about. Also, that ending actually happens pretty often in games and movies. Also, BioWare's community for ME1 loved the sacrifices for Ashley and Kaiden.. though ME2 did the sacrifices pretty cheaply, they were still given a relative thumbs up.

You're insulting a community you don't understand and you're ignoring all that's wrong with BioWare at the same time. They did make a game that shat bricks, and those bricks had the potential to be gold.. then they decided to make some feces instead.

Dude, I was on BSN when ME1 came out, I recall the NUMEROUS threads were people were like "OMG WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE ASHELY AND KAIDEN IF WE DID X, Y, AND Z beforehand WAAAA"

I recall the idiocy of people complaining about getting Emails in ME2, from people you helped in ME1, and the BSN people concocted exceedingly elaborate, and totally unrealistic, scenarios on what "should" have happened.

 

[Delsana]

Stop insulting things you know nothing about. Also, that ending actually happens pretty often in games and movies. Also, BioWare's community for ME1 loved the sacrifices for Ashley and Kaiden.. though ME2 did the sacrifices pretty cheaply, they were still given a relative thumbs up.

You're insulting a community you don't understand and you're ignoring all that's wrong with BioWare at the same time. They did make a game that shat bricks, and those bricks had the potential to be gold.. then they decided to make some feces instead.

dude, I was on BSN when Me1 came out, I recall the NUMEROUS threads were people were like "OMG WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE ASHELY AND KAIDEN IF WE DID X, X, and X beforehand WAAAA"

I was with BioWare since the BEGINNING before ME1, before KotOR, before any of that. So don't tell me what the community was... all you do is complain and say "no".

Well, yes Dragon Age had some slow combat.. but it had a good story even if it was done many times before, it was still done well. It had a good series, yes it had the worst spell casting list in any BioWare game but it still did well with what it had. It made relatively okay DLC, and it had a great expansion.

DA2 is the only game in HISTORY of my 400+ game collection that I could not beat because it made me hate the game and the company so much. Not because I couldn't actually beat it, but because I do not desire to play through plotholes, poor design features, or broken mechanics, or imbalanced gameplay. I hate that game with every fiber of my being. It is the bane of my gaming experience and one of the few games that made me almost stop games entirely.

You know nothing of quality and you ignore everything that's wrong.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Ive been with Bioware since BG1, Bioware fans haven't changed in the slightest.

Also I never once denied DA2 was bad, just that it had more interesting combat.
-The wave combat
-The bosses with 1,000,000,000,000 HP
-The repetitious overuse of the same areas
-The idiotic "no matter what side you choose you have to kill both leaders anyways" ending.

 

[StBishop]

anc[is]
[...]The entire 1st act is a waste of time, the game ends in act 2, and then a whole other plot starts in act 3 ending in boss fights that would embarrass the power rangers. And on top of that, the Kaiden of DA2 is one of the better characters. Let that sink in.

As someone who has a laminated DA2 merch poster which is larger than A3 size. This couldn't be more accurate.

The story was a mess, some of the dialouge options were stupid, there is a point at the end where a party member fucks up and your options are literally
a)Kill your friend
b)Tell your friend to run away and never return
or
c)Whole heartedly support their actions even if this goes against a huge plot point and even if you continue on in the game as if you'd never even talked to them about this issue.

They also retconned a character's death. A character who's death happens in a cut scene involving their decapitation.

The combat was awful, with enemies spawning in waves rendering any tactical placement of allies or use of skills (not to mention cool down management) completely useless because there was no way of knowing is a fight was almost over or just beginning.

As someone who didn't even know there was a "thing" about DA:O being considered hard, dying 4 times on my first play through, with the most underpowered class (warrior) on hard mode; I found the difficulty spikes in DA2 insane. I spent most of the game juking enemies, and only one of the allied characters is able to heal very well at all, and the only other character who can heal at all is absent for most of the game, which means that if you want a healer, you either be one, or have this character in your party.

So yeah, I'm someone who liked the game. Imagine how the people who hated it feel.

 

[Fappy]

While there has been plenty of Bioware bashing/defense going on in this thread already lets go ahead and end this BSN derail. Nothing good will come of it.

 

[Fappy]

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Spoiler

I've never actually killed Leliana before. You actually behead her? Holy shit.

 

[SajuukKhar]

While there has been plenty of Bioware bashing/defense going on in this thread already lets go ahead and end this BSN derail. Nothing good will come of it.

As long as Bioware doesn't reuse the same areas 40 times, or make bosses that are only hard because of massive HP, I think the game will be ok.

 

[Fappy]

While there has been plenty of Bioware bashing/defense going on in this thread already lets go ahead and end this BSN derail. Nothing good will come of it.

As long as Bioware doesn't reuse the same areas 40 times, or make bosses that are only hard because of massive HP, I think the game will be ok.

Not so sure about the boss part, but the art assets being reused it definitely out of the picture. They've stated as much and they'd have to be pretty damn stupid to do it again.

 

[Delsana]

Or screw up their story with 79 - 164 plotholes... like each of them did. Granted Dragon Age 2 had less plotholes than Mass Effect 3, but oh god did Mass Effect 3 have so many plotholes, especially for a game that had a huge codex made to make the lore so immersive and arguable. To then screw that all up with 79 plotholes (and not minor ones, those are the the other 90+ plotholes that can be suspended)...

I mean when a game basically ends with the player saying "okay I head canon this to be this", you can pretty much tell that the game didn't do a good job if the player has to make up what actually happened.

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Also, the reason the Director's Cut of Mass Effect 3 DLC is bad and sucks entirely is because if you actually look at the lore it adds one huge plothole, nay a monolothic plothole. That plothole being that the established continuity of lore from the three games collectively can not and would never result in those 3 endings occurring in the way they did, much less the extended cut version of the endings.

Basically, the extended cut is IMPOSSIBLE, because it violates all the lore. It is nothing more than visual head canon. And I hate that term, I wish it never existed.

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Huge health bar bosses, lieutenants, side bosses, and the like need to end, and so does the terrible spell list for Dragon Age, it has ALWAYS sucked.

Oh and the stupid status effect thing, to god... you couldn't really kill anything without a status effect... magic must be weak... no reason to kill all the mages then... they suck anyway.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Not so sure about the boss part, but the art assets being reused it definitely out of the picture. They've stated as much and they'd have to be pretty damn stupid to do it again.

As stupid as wave combat is, I mean enemies appearing out of seemingly nowhere is dumb, I really wouldn't mind it that much.

One of the biggest problems I had with DA 1 is that battles felt small most of the time, and while DA2 did waves too often, I liked that I actually had to fight more then 4-6 dudes before the fight was over.

Or screw up their story with 79 - 164 plotholes... like each of them did. Granted Dragon Age 2 had less plotholes than Mass Effect 3, but oh god did Mass Effect 3 have so many plotholes, especially for a game that had a huge codex made to make the lore so immersive and arguable. To then screw that all up with 79 plotholes (and not minor ones, those are the the other 90+ plotholes that can be suspended)...

I mean when a game basically ends with the player saying "okay I head canon this to be this", you can pretty much tell that the game didn't do a good job if the player has to make up what actually happened.

Most of Me3's plotholes really weren't plotholes, in fact I had come up with the very same explanations used in the ME3 extended cut DLC within a week after the game came out.

Most of the supposed "plotholes" mostly came from the fact that the game's ending didn't hold your hand and explain every single thing to you in 100% detail and you had to use some common sense.

 

[Delsana]

As stupid as wave combat is, I mean enemies appearing out of seemingly nowhere is dumb, I really wouldn't mind it that much.

One of the biggest problems I had with DA 1 is that battles felt small most of the time, and while DA2 did waves too often, I liked that I actually had to fight more then 4-6 dudes before the fight was over.

Or screw up their story with 79 - 164 plotholes... like each of them did. Granted Dragon Age 2 had less plotholes than Mass Effect 3, but oh god did Mass Effect 3 have so many plotholes, especially for a game that had a huge codex made to make the lore so immersive and arguable. To then screw that all up with 79 plotholes (and not minor ones, those are the the other 90+ plotholes that can be suspended)...

I mean when a game basically ends with the player saying "okay I head canon this to be this", you can pretty much tell that the game didn't do a good job if the player has to make up what actually happened.

Most of Me3's plotholes really weren't plotholes, in fact I had come up with the very same explanations used in the ME3 extended cut DLC within a week after the game came out.

Most of the supposed "plotholes" mostly came from the fact that the game's ending didn't hold your hand and explain every single thing to you in 100% detail and you had to use some common sense.

Dude... only 7 plotholes are from the ending... the majority of them were in the beginning-mid and middle-end.

Reaper structure, weaponry, technology, and ability changes 3 times throughout ME3... not the series but ME3 itself... that's just one major plothole that basically makes anything involving the reapers to be inviable and thus factually occurring in the lore because it doesn't fit with the actual gameplay and vice versa it doesn't fit with the lore. So anything involving the Reapers has now become a plothole.

170+ more.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Dude... only 7 plotholes are from the ending... the majority of them were in the beginning-mid and middle-end.

Reaper structure, weaponry, technology, and ability changes 3 times throughout ME3... not the series but ME3 itself... that's just one major plothole that basically makes anything involving the reapers to be inviable and thus factually occurring in the lore because it doesn't fit with the actual gameplay and vice versa it doesn't fit with the lore. So anything involving the Reapers has now become a plothole.

170+ more.

And all of those plotholes are.... exceedingly explainable using common sense.

And I had explained everyone I have ever heard with some basic reasoning skills.

Also The Reapers are over 1 billion years old, it makes sense they have had many diffrent styles of weaponry, and strcutures, based on what era it was built in.

 

[crazyrabbits]

Most of the supposed "plotholes" mostly came from the fact that the game's ending didn't hold your hand and explain every single thing to you in 100% detail and you had to use some common sense.

Fan theories and speculation are not answers to plot holes. Never have been, and never will be.

As far as DAII, there were a lot of wonky moments, but even that narrative wasn't so consistently wonky as ME3. DLC's being outright ignored by the narrative, characters acting outside their general behaviour, weird lore/codex issues, villain motivations that are confusing, illogical and plain stupid, major choices being meaningless...it goes on and on. We'd be here all day.

 

[Delsana]

Dude... only 7 plotholes are from the ending... the majority of them were in the beginning-mid and middle-end.

And all of those plotholes are.... exceedingly explainable using common sense.

And I had explained everyone I have ever heard with some basic reasoning skills.

Maybe the 90 minor ones... the ones that are terrible but can be explained. The others break the game.

Please indicate all 170 + plotholes.. since you can explain them all.

Please indicate why the Thanix cannon is never used, there's one for you.\

Edit (many edits were made in my previous posts, please review them).

It was actually used in the codex... or atleast indicated.. but not once do you see all the ships equipped with it use it. And no the blue bursts in the big battle scene are not thanix cannons, nor are the things shooting the reaper on Rannoch where in 1 or 2 thanix would kill it.