So... fat chicks.

[jebussaves88]

In regards to the author of that Shakesville article:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j80/diolookout/motivator279824.jpg

I couldn't resist

I'm not fatist or sexist at all. But sometimes, I just irrationally hate someone like that.

 

[TheKbob]

Simply put, I see this thread and you know what I see?

Free Publicity.

Fat Princess is named such for a reason. We are way too politically correct and the devs of the game know this. Make it possibly offensive and bam. Now everyone knows about this game.

You guys should be getting royalties after 11 pages.

 

[Clain]

i havnt read all of the thread yet (ill probably re-post when i have)

in this day and age (and indeed in almost every one) no matter what point of view you choose to take there will always be someone out there that opposes you. get used to it.

but what is currently bugging me at the moment is the number of "groups" (different genders, religeons, minorities, ect) that are wanting to be treated as equals (and not necessary doing the same to others) but still expect the benifits of belonging to their group.

i dont know too much about the game, only that its called "fat princess" and that a princess is taken and forced to eat cake so that the rescuers have trouble bringing her back.

unlike many others ive seen trolling/starting threads and blogs related to this game without knowing the game itself i will post my thoughts after ive learnt more about it

 

[jebussaves88]

I just got banned from Shakesville for having an opinion. I didn't swear, and I wasn't rude. I simply pointed out that "Fat Princess" was a low budget game from a fledgling company that wouldn't be interpreted by ordinary people as 'fatist'.

I'm not sexist or fatist. I'm feministist. Whose with me? Rise ladies and gentleman! RISE!

Ah I can't be bothered *sits down again*

 

[stephenp79]

Slightly off topic but my god I found reading the shakeville comments amusing. I live in Scotland which, like America and many Western countires, has increasing problems with an overweight population, particuarly in children. Being obese is not good for your health. People are critised for smoking, drinking and taking drugs. Why should they not be critised for doing no exercise and eating too much. The government here is now starting to take this approach, after years of saying its ok what size you are. Some people are genetically larger than others but would not get to the point of obescity if they simply exercised and ate properly. I also have to wonder if the shakesville poster would have been as up in arms if it had been a fat male character.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Slightly off topic but my god I found reading the shakeville comments amusing. I live in Scotland which, like America and many Western countires, has increasing problems with an overweight population, particuarly in children. Being obese is not good for your health. People are critised for smoking, drinking and taking drugs. Why should they not be critised for doing no exercise and eating too much. The government here is now starting to take this approach, after years of saying its ok what size you are. Some people are genetically larger than others but would not get to the point of obescity if they simply exercised and ate properly. I also have to wonder if the shakesville poster would have been as up in arms if it had been a fat male character.

I dunno, I have a friend who can eat whatever the hell he wants, in vast quantities, and stay thin, I have another friend who eats properly and exercises like mad and yet STILL can't lose weight. The problem is that weight loss is HEAVILY determined by your genetics and your metabolism that it is a little unfair to simply penalize people for being fat. The problem being that people like my one friend get a free ride while my other friend works his ass off and is still criticised.

 

[stephenp79]

Slightly off topic but my god I found reading the shakeville comments amusing. I live in Scotland which, like America and many Western countires, has increasing problems with an overweight population, particuarly in children. Being obese is not good for your health. People are critised for smoking, drinking and taking drugs. Why should they not be critised for doing no exercise and eating too much. The government here is now starting to take this approach, after years of saying its ok what size you are. Some people are genetically larger than others but would not get to the point of obescity if they simply exercised and ate properly. I also have to wonder if the shakesville poster would have been as up in arms if it had been a fat male character.

I dunno, I have a friend who can eat whatever the hell he wants, in vast quantities, and stay thin, I have another friend who eats properly and exercises like mad and yet STILL can't lose weight. The problem is that weight loss is HEAVILY determined by your genetics and your metabolism that it is a little unfair to simply penalize people for being fat. The problem being that people like my one friend get a free ride while my other friend works his ass off and is still criticised.

I do appreciate this point and alluded to it in my last sentence. If your friend is "obsese" even with doing the right things then he/she has my sympathy - im sure they will be healthy tho. In general tho, i do believe that weight problems are more down to lifestyle than genetics. ie the increase in overweight people during the 20th century and this one to date, is down to a change in lifestyles and not a change in genetics.

The government move here is more aimed at getting people eating and exercising properly as oppossed to saying it is not ok to be overweight

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

I do appreciate this point and alluded to it in my last sentence. If your friend is "obsese" even with doing the right things then he/she has my sympathy - im sure they will be healthy tho. In general tho, i do believe that weight problems are more down to lifestyle than genetics. ie the increase in overweight people during the 20th century and this one to date, is down to a change in lifestyles and not a change in genetics.

The government move here is more aimed at getting people eating and exercising properly as oppossed to saying it is not ok to be overweight

However, some economic research indicates that if everyone who died prematurely from Smoking or Obesity related health problems lived to old age, they would be a considerably greater drain on the system than they are now, as from ages 50-80 they may very well end up doing extended hospital stays and consuming large amounts of healthcare resources for 2-10 years before finally croaking.

As well I would REALLY like to know how people find all this time to exercise enough to lose weight and still hold down a full time job and(since this is a gamer site) play videogames? I mean I go to the gym twice a week and bike on weekends and I'm still mildly overweight and I still don't have enough time to do what I want.

 

[stephenp79]

I do appreciate this point and alluded to it in my last sentence. If your friend is "obsese" even with doing the right things then he/she has my sympathy - im sure they will be healthy tho. In general tho, i do believe that weight problems are more down to lifestyle than genetics. ie the increase in overweight people during the 20th century and this one to date, is down to a change in lifestyles and not a change in genetics.

The government move here is more aimed at getting people eating and exercising properly as oppossed to saying it is not ok to be overweight

However, some economic research indicates that if everyone who died prematurely from Smoking or Obesity related health problems lived to old age, they would be a considerably greater drain on the system than they are now, as from ages 50-80 they may very well end up doing extended hospital stays and consuming large amounts of healthcare resources for 2-10 years before finally croaking.

As well I would REALLY like to know how people find all this time to exercise enough to lose weight and still hold down a full time job and(since this is a gamer site) play videogames? I mean I go to the gym twice a week and bike on weekends and I'm still mildly overweight and I still don't have enough time to do what I want.

As to your first point, i think that relates to any advances in health or healthcare. I dont think it neccesarilly makes it wrong. The world is becoming more and more overpopulated and this does have immense effects on healthcare provisions and economic effects through greters pensions etc. This is a major problem but i think the idea that we should be "gratefull" for some people dying younger due to drink/smoking/obescity as the problem would be worse totally wrong. People should be encouraged and informed how to live healthally and live as long as possible with overpopulation issues tackled in another manner.

As to the second point, I again understand what you say, particuarly when you throw in a wife and children. However, i work full time, play computer games and still have plenty of time to do exercise and other activites. Getting home at 5.30 in the evening and then having dinner still leaves many hours to exercise and have liesure time, as well as the weekend. I think half the problem is that people dont find exercise a fun activity. I too cant stand going to the gym and find it a chore. I stay fit through playing football/soccer 3 times a week and cycling too. It is simply getting it as part of your routine, like brushing your teeth and showering. Other options are available too, simple stuff like walking to work or not using the elevator.

Wii Fit I gueess i sthe first attempt to bring exercise into video gaming. Whilst i think it intentions are good it sadly misses the mark. Hopefully better games aiming at these to actvities will come out as I think it is an excellant idea especially for the young

 

[stephenp79]

i apologies for my spelling. it has always been horrific

 

[mark_n_b]

No I am not going to go through the whole quoting thing:

Logical extensions to extreme in order to demonstrate and clarify a point is something we've all done. The inverse being professing in all caps how this game will totally make you purchase a PS3.

I am not comparing quadriplegia and racism to being fat. I am comparing quadriplegia and racism to misogynistic objectification. Maybe not as extreme as racism or laughing at crippled people, but it is the exact same sentiment in the exact same vein.

OK, let's frame it this way: If the game were called "The Helpless Obese" again, there would be no discussion besides "whose idiot idea was that?"

And it had to be a woman, "The Chubby Prince" would not boost their sales as much as this particular brand of immaturity, this is the clincher. We all know it could have been a Gold Chest or an ever growing magical soufflé, it was a princess because fat girls are funny, saving them is just so ridiculous, and we all know the greater global belief in that will mean that this game will sell more.

The fact that this is a just a scheme to bolster the PSN is particularly infuriating for me, why doesn't anyone else see this and let Sony know that we are not their predictable little patsies?

 

[mrnelsby]

Struck a nerve with fatty didn't it?

 

[Blind Punk Riot]

I remember when no fat chicks meant something...

 

[stephenp79]

I remember when no fat chicks meant something...

Ha, most amusing.

I do not relate this whatsoever to racism, sexism etc as too me it is (by and large) self inflicted.

 

[excessum ado]

That woman is fat and unnatractive.

 

[eggdog14]

HEY
Anyone want to send this thread to this *****?
I wanna see her response blog-splosion.
HAZZAAA!

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

HEY
Anyone want to send this thread to this *****?
I wanna see her response blog-splosion.
HAZZAAA!

Oh yes, the exceedingly well argued and articulate discussion clear of judgmental and immature assholes will definately prove a point against her arguement.

/sarcasm

 

[BladesofReason]

Jebus, your post on that Shakesville site was one of the only constructive and worthwhile pieces of reading in that whole long line of whining and sniping.

They're complaining about women being objectified but the "save the princess" story is one of the oldest story types used in the history of civilized society. One post claimed that "MEN are making her fat" but does it matter that your little team of guys can be men or women? Anyone who expresses an opinion on that site is instantly villified and attacked. They make sweeping and derogatory generalizations that I personally feel reflect them vividly.

Thank you Jebus, for saying what I was thinking. Still, I doubt you'll be met with anything short of derision and scorn.

 

[blazestonefire656]

Ok, let's see...

Many people do have something written into their genetics that says that they're automatically overweight, but when people see that, they pretty much say, "Ah, the hell with it," and eat junk food all the time. And, yeah, this is usually during childhood, but if nothing is done about it, fat children turn into fat adults. Metabolism has a lot to do with it, too, and the speed of your particular metabolism can also be genetic. My mother, for intance, has a rather slow metabolism, therefore I do, too. What most people don't realize (and of course I mean fat people), is that that can be changed. You just gotta get your heart pumping to bring the speed up. Now, I am fat (as if that wasn't utterly obvious), and I know what I can do, but I don't have the energy to do it. My fault, I know. I, however, don't give a damn what anyone else thinks about it, so whoever tries to bring it up can fuck right off. (Maybe not here, but kids can be cruel beasts.) I've been dealing with it so long, I just don't even think about it anymore. And I'm actually pretty healthy, though I wouldn't be surprised if one day my back and both my knees suddenly gave out for no reason other than the fact all my weight sticks out the front and there's no balance.

Now, the game actually looks pretty good, and I wouldn't mind giving it a try if it not for the fact that the PS3 is way too fucking expensive. Especially for a single game. Anyway, I see no problem with it. It's just supposed to raise the difficulty level, and I think it does quite nicely. And I'm a fat female gamer! The way I see it, she's not actually a gamer but is passing herself off as one so she can ***** about obese-sexism and not be called on it. ("Oh, gee, I haven't ranted about anything in over twenty minutes! I wonder what I can- Hey... What's this? A sexist video game I know nothing about? Perfect!") I bet no one else would have even noticed if she hadn't pointed it out, either. It's people like her that give us girl gamers a bad name.

(And I will eventually get around to reading the whole thread, so sorry if I copied someone or whatnot.)

 

[telephonline92]

I wonder if there was a dude that blogged about Pey'j from "Beyond Good and Evil" being sexist and "fatist".

Probably not...