So FF VII has me extremely annoyed right now...

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Ashcrexl

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first off. grind. grind. always. grind. have you never played an rpg before?

second off. why are you having trouble in the first place? if you got this far, you already should have the strategy to avoid 1-hit kills. you've got your barriers, your elemental absorbers, your hero drinks, whatever. dont panic. you can do this.
 

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Further to my comments earlier I actually think the Northern Cave would be an enjoyable way to end the game if you were able to save a few times through it.

The fights are challenging (although sometimes cheap) and there's some good materia to be found but the emphasis is on surviving as you don't want to start the whole thing again from the top of the cave if you die. So this section can potentially make you a screaming nervous wreck if your preperations are a bit off.

Getting to the final bosses is arguably more challenging than actually fighting them but it's a big relief when you manage to knock them over.
 

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Heh, my clock on my game is maxed out at 99:99. I did everything I possibly could in that game, including wasting time trying all those "Bring Aeris back to life" things. Fun game.

On Topic: Have you beaten the weapons yet? Ruby, Emerald, and Ultimate? If you can crush those, then nothing stands against you. Also, if you get Knights of the Round, which is the most RIDICULOUSLY over powered attack in ANY video game EVER, only the two weapons will be able to pose any real threat. Love it!
He'd have to do the whole "Breeding a Golden Chocobo" crap lol

But yeah, the Knights are the bomb, the only guy who could really measure up is Odin and that's only on a good day since he's very selective about who and what he wants to instakill.. xD

Its either that or go Omnislash on their hides..
 

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Trogdor1138 said:
Hey everyone, the Running away worked well and I got up to Sephiroth :3 One Winged Angel started playing so I assume it was the finale... Or more afterwards >_>

Christ he took me out after a couple of minutes... I guess I do need to do more grinding somewhere as much as I loathe it. Cheers for all the help.
The worst part is, you level up so much that nothing - not even emerald weapon - is tough enough for a good fight.

I really hoped that the final bosses might be tough but I was level 99 by then and had maxed out all my materia.

Too much leveling up made me very dull - although I suppose I was before too.
 
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Trogdor1138 said:
Those annoying enemies that use the "grudge" attack. Is there any good method to being able to get past them? I've read about the technique how the attack is actually a counter, but eventually he'll use a knife on you and one hit kill anyways, so what the shit?

I've never attempted so I wouldn't know, but is there a retreat/run option? I'd rather just avoid these little bastards completely so I can finish it. I don't care about your stupid treasure chests Cave...
You're talking about Tonberry right?

It's been a LONG time but, Freeze will work. Freeze 'em and then you can pelt 'em with 4x Cut at 9999 dmg. Easy peasy.

Also, what's the name of that summon - um - wait let me check - Hades will also stop them allowing you to attack at will.

As for just normally, when he shakes his head and steps forward, you can attack - once (4x Cut is okay if memory serves). Then you must wait for him to shake his head again. Doing this will avoid the grudge attack.

The Kitchen Knife is not so much a problem because Tonberry uses it only rarely. Just use a Phoenix Down or Revive spell. A level 55 party should have no trouble with that.

NOTE:
Steal Elixers from Tonberry! They can be used to give to the Magic Pots for 1000 AP.
Morph Tonberry to get a Ribbon.



gmaverick019 said:
(i did lots of grinding and everything there was to do just about so i finished the game on level 73 i think? just fyi)
I knew I was done when everyone was lvl 99, level 4 limits (even Aerith) and I had every piece of materia in the game, including a full set of Master Materia for my main party. So much grind, so much side-questing, so many chocobo races...

[sub]I miss this time on the Escapist. Baby and work is keeping me way too busy these days.[/sub]
First off, welcome back ;] glad to hear from you!

that is a ridiculous amount of grinding, i forgot but somewhere i think they had an actual statistic at how long it took to do all that in ff7 if you were constantly doing stuff, but it was in the triple digits i know for sure.

I need to go back and finish that game..i had another save at lvl ~60 and i was about to beat ruby weapon.

(unfortunately i'm addicted to kingdom hearts again right now, I'm level 58 on there and gaining roughly 4-5 levels per day)
 

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Ah yes, Safer Sephiroth.

All I can tell you is that if you have any ribbons, make sure to equip them on your party. They aren't required to beat him, but they really help out considering some of his attacks(Supernova, Pale Horse, and possibly Dean) can inflict status ailments on you, which are really annoying.

If don't have any ribbons, don't fret, just bring along some remedies and you should be fine.

Another thing I can tell you is that back at Cosmo Canyon, there is a materia called "Full Cure" in a hidden room in the item shop. It essentially heals a single party member to full HP when cast. Just thought I'd point that out.
 

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What's with all the cowards!? Never run from a battle unless you've got a character confused that has flash as his attack command. Look, ff7 is one of the easiest rpgs you'll play, it holds your hand for 99% of the game.

Saviour Sephiroth (the one winged angel) can be tough if you are unprepared, but he has between 80,000 and 400,000 hp depending on a number of events. I'm going to assume you do not have Knights of the Round Materia, so at the most, 320,000 (if you use KOR on the last Jenova, he gets an 80,000 HP boost). Additionally, each character you have at level 99 adds 30,000. Which I will also assume you have 0. So that's an additional 240,000 (aeris doesn't count). So you are sitting at 80,000 hp. Not very much at all.

Now let's work this out. Right off the top he will cast "wall". Use dispel magic and it will remove it, you may have to do this a few times.

As you know, he can hit for heavy damage, so hopefully you have a few elixers or megalixers to use. At the very least, x potions, which you can buy. Try to organize the order of your items so that the ones you need to use are at the top of the list, also, before the 3 battles set the ATB gauge to wait (which is done through the menus).

He will go in the air at various points in the battle, have long range materia on your heaviest hitter. S-mine item will hit for over 1,000 damage. You can buy a piece of equipment called a wizard bracelet, which has 8 joined materia slots.

I assume you have low hp, did you know that hp plus materias can stack? Equip a few so that your hp are well over 5k, optimally, 9999.

Try to save up your limit breaks from the bizarro sephiroth battle, I know that battle can be a pain in the ass, but you've beat him once before right? Shouldn't be a problem, especially with two parties.

Pale horse is likely gonna kick your ass a few times, I certainly hope you have some remedy's in stock, else you will have to use up a materia slot to use transform magic on your party members. It sucks, but pretty much your only option.

There's not much you can do about "supernova", this is what you need the megalixers for, that or have cure3-all, preferably mastered. The good thing is that supernova won't kill you, just kick your ass. It has a chance of causing various status ailments, so a rememdy is your top priority in that situation, followed by healing up. W-item materia would really help here, but I doubt you have it.

Break will likely hit for 6k, pheonix downs are your friend. His regular attack will hit for around 2k, no big deal. Just try to save up limit breaks, and go in with your strongest party (obviously), and save your mana for healing if you run out of megalixers and elixers. Equip long range on who you'd like to do the most attacking and don't bother doing buffs on yourself as he will dispell and don't bother trying to do status effects to him as he is immune. Treat it like that big blue scorpion in mt. Nibel. Play cautious, prepare to deal with status effects and taking big damage, attack when you are confident he won't kill you and heal when you are the slightest bit worried. Use your healing items liberally as you won't need them after this fight, any elixers and megalixers you've picked up on your journey should be used after his big shots and remember, change the active time battle (ATB) to wait, so you can take your time to think.

Try not to let status effect stack up, else you'll go nowhere and fast. Remember, he's only got 80,000 hp, which is really a cakewalk, even without ultima weapons you should be hitting for about 3,000 per attack. You can do the math, slow and steady is the pace, I just hope you didn't squander your megalixers, as they will make things much easier for you.

If this doesn't help, well, the only answer is grind it out, get stronger, and at least get Ultima Weapon (as was previously advised). Good luck
 

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Oh, and for the love of god, make sure you have Knights of the Round so you can one shot Bizzaro-Sephiroth.
 

Trogdor1138

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Hey, just wanted to let you all know that I finally finished it this morning after all this :D I was pretty proud.

I did it without Knights, Slash All, Big Guard etc. It was actually not too bad, just make sure you're healed well and ready to use a megalixer, use stuff like Ultima and Comet 2, have limit breaks saved for Safer Seph.

Why is the Bizzaro Sephiroth fight so much easier with one party? It's insanely easy, but when I attempted it and unexpectedly had to use two parties I just gave up.

Oh well, I finished it and I loved it, I'd place it among the best I've played.
 

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I know I'll get a ton of hate for this, but just abandon the game here.
FF7 kinda sucked. The last great Final Fantasy was 6. Hands-down, no contest.
 

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Run away or reach level 57 so you don't fall to level X death.

Seriously, you don't need to grind except to get the numbers right, and even then, I suggest running. It's not hard to beat the final boss at less than 55.


Speaking of caves and the north, though... that two-headed hydra/dragon thing in the arctic area. Rage. So much rage.
 

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Trogdor1138 said:
Hey, just wanted to let you all know that I finally finished it this morning after all this :D I was pretty proud.

I did it without Knights, Slash All, Big Guard etc. It was actually not too bad, just make sure you're healed well and ready to use a megalixer, use stuff like Ultima and Comet 2, have limit breaks saved for Safer Seph.

Why is the Bizzaro Sephiroth fight so much easier with one party? It's insanely easy, but when I attempted it and unexpectedly had to use two parties I just gave up.

Oh well, I finished it and I loved it, I'd place it among the best I've played.
Holy crap, a person stating they loved Final Fantasy VII on The Escapist? You deserve a cookie for speaking your mind.

cnaltman62 said:
I know I'll get a ton of hate for this, but just abandon the game here.

FF7 kinda sucked. The last great Final Fantasy was 6. Hands-down, no contest.
Final Fantasy VI had little going for it. Most of the features it had were done just as good (or better) in other Final Fantasy games, and the only part about the game that stuck out were the fantastic characters.
 

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You need to grind, grind and grind again.

Fight other monsters for a few more hours and then try again.

I can't remember Northern Crater too well, but if you can't leave to grind mobs then you're pretty much screwed, unless you're a JRPG deity.
 

Trogdor1138

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Defense said:
Trogdor1138 said:
Hey, just wanted to let you all know that I finally finished it this morning after all this :D I was pretty proud.

I did it without Knights, Slash All, Big Guard etc. It was actually not too bad, just make sure you're healed well and ready to use a megalixer, use stuff like Ultima and Comet 2, have limit breaks saved for Safer Seph.

Why is the Bizzaro Sephiroth fight so much easier with one party? It's insanely easy, but when I attempted it and unexpectedly had to use two parties I just gave up.

Oh well, I finished it and I loved it, I'd place it among the best I've played.
Holy crap, a person stating they loved Final Fantasy VII on The Escapist? You deserve a cookie for speaking your mind.

Is this in response to the constant JRPG bandwagon hate? There's far too much of it I see around now, despite the gigantic number of enthusiasts. I haven't even played through a JRPG properly before and I loved it, I couldn't give a shit what other gamers think, I've been gaming my whole life and a good game is a good game. To deny the fact FF7 did amazing things is just being short-sighted. It's still very much playable today as evidenced here.

*omnomnoms cookie*

EDIT: Quoting screwed up a bit, sorry. Still readable luckily :p
 

Defense

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Trogdor1138 said:
Is this in response to the constant JRPG bandwagon hate? There's far too much of it I see around now, despite the gigantic number of enthusiasts. I haven't even played through a JRPG properly before and I loved it, I couldn't give a shit what other gamers think, I've been gaming my whole life and a good game is a good game. To deny the fact FF7 did amazing things is just being short-sighted. It's still very much playable today as evidenced here.

*omnomnoms cookie*

EDIT: Quoting screwed up a bit, sorry. Still readable luckily :p
It's more that people are jumping on the Final Fantasy VII bandwagon hate, just because it's popular. Despite being one of the most praised games, the only people I see that talk about Final Fantasy VII here are the ones that say it absolutely sucks, instead of talking about actual BAD games(Mindjack, Final Fantasy II, etc.).
 

Trogdor1138

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Defense said:
Trogdor1138 said:
Is this in response to the constant JRPG bandwagon hate? There's far too much of it I see around now, despite the gigantic number of enthusiasts. I haven't even played through a JRPG properly before and I loved it, I couldn't give a shit what other gamers think, I've been gaming my whole life and a good game is a good game. To deny the fact FF7 did amazing things is just being short-sighted. It's still very much playable today as evidenced here.

*omnomnoms cookie*

EDIT: Quoting screwed up a bit, sorry. Still readable luckily :p
It's more that people are jumping on the Final Fantasy VII bandwagon hate, just because it's popular. Despite being one of the most praised games, the only people I see that talk about Final Fantasy VII here are the ones that say it absolutely sucks, instead of talking about actual BAD games(Mindjack, Final Fantasy II, etc.).
Amen to that.

It's always so typical when something is hugely popular that people genuinely love, there always has to be the vocal side who nitpick it to death. It seems to be used to make them look like they're smart and "zomg so not mainstream like all you sheep" but really, they're a just a bunch of insecure people. It's the gaming equivalent of the 15 year old who dresses like an Emo and pretends to be unique and deep.

Anyways, ranty bits aside. I wish they'd die down on the hate, it's been 14 years since it came out and I still see people that just can't accept the fact that maybe some people actually enjoyed it. There are countless games I could name that are far worse.