So, how about that PETA, huh?

[PurpleRain]

I don't like them. Infact, I find them childish. Survival of the Fittest takes their arguement and *poof* its gone.

We are the fittest. We will survive(Longer then them really) and the others will die. That is the way of life.

Where does torture and mistreatment come into it? *poof* Your argument is gone.

The reason PETA is detested is, they shove their beliefs down everybody's throats, well that's my reason anyways

I've never had it happen to me. Has someone come up to you and done it yet?

Lastly, don't tell me that meat causes cancer, because some of the amino acids are "one molecule away from being cancer (sic)". Really. Some PETA shouter in Chicago told me that as I was heading back to my hotel.

I don't get it? When did that come up. And one molecule can be a very vast difference.

I don't think its immoral, I think its hypocritical. She and her group detest all products produced or tested on animals yet she uses it to survive.

Well, what else can she do?

(Also sorry, I've heard that used so many times and I hate it. Really, she may die without it or become extemely ill. It's not tested on pigs anymore is it?)

No, it is no longer tested on animals. The fact remains, however, that she owes her life to a product that was once tested on animals. PETA wants to stop all animal testing. It is hypocritical for them to demand this yet enjoy the benefits of animal testing. How dare they deny future generations from enjoying the same benefits. If a cure to AIDS could found but only due to animal testing, what right have they to say no.

People don't expect her to stop taking her medication. People expect her to stop being a hypocrite. Obviously animal testing has some benefits. Her own life is an example of this. Instead of being against animal testing, perhaps they should concentrate of things that don't save lives. Animal testing for cosmetic purpose is absolutely wrong, but not for medical purposes.

Generally, people don't like hypocrites or extremists. As soon as PETA stop being both then they will receive less hate from people.

But what can she do?! It was found out ages ago with the medicine. So they had little say in it. I think their stance is to find a cure to thing, but don't use animals as the torture subjects.

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Also, one word answers don't hold a lot of merit. You're not bringing anything to the boards.

 

[timeladyinsane]

My rebuttal is that if she thinks animal testing is wrong then she shouldn't use it. She should let herself die. If she's that gung-ho, then yeah she just let herself die. Be a martyr to her cause. But will she? No. Because she wants to live. Just like everyone.

 

[GryffinDarkBreed]

PETA is a borderline terrorist organization with ties to full on eco-terrorist organizations such as the Animal Liberation Front, who are known for illegally breaking into properties and removing animals.

PETA has funded many of the ALF's activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front

 

[PurpleRain]

My rebuttal is that if she thinks animal testing is wrong then she shouldn't use it. She should let herself die. If she's that gung-ho, then yeah she just let herself die. Be a martyr to her cause. But will she? No. Because she wants to live. Just like everyone.

Yeah. She doesn't want to die. And?

 

[Delicious]

Vets and Pounds don't firebomb people now do they?

Here's an option: Cut the massive smear campaigns and use those resources to help the animals they claim to protect. I'm not going to give them credit as a legitimate organization if they can't get their priorities straight. Animals first, "awareness" (propaganda) second.

That wasn't the topic we were talking about. It was about putting down the dogs and cats in its care. Now please, would you like to begin again?

You asked for an alternative to putting down 80% of the animals under PETA's care, and I gave you one. Also, I implied that you should not compare PETA to the hard working Vets and Pounds that actually do help animals.

You seem to possess a preternatural ability to misinterpret my posts.

 

[JoeKickAzz]

I don't like them. Infact, I find them childish. Survival of the Fittest takes their arguement and *poof* its gone.

We are the fittest. We will survive(Longer then them really) and the others will die. That is the way of life.

Where does torture and mistreatment come into it? *poof* Your argument is gone.

The reason PETA is detested is, they shove their beliefs down everybody's throats, well that's my reason anyways

I've never had it happen to me. Has someone come up to you and done it yet?

Lastly, don't tell me that meat causes cancer, because some of the amino acids are "one molecule away from being cancer (sic)". Really. Some PETA shouter in Chicago told me that as I was heading back to my hotel.

I don't get it? When did that come up. And one molecule can be a very vast difference.

I don't think its immoral, I think its hypocritical. She and her group detest all products produced or tested on animals yet she uses it to survive.

Well, what else can she do?

(Also sorry, I've heard that used so many times and I hate it. Really, she may die without it or become extemely ill. It's not tested on pigs anymore is it?)

No, it is no longer tested on animals. The fact remains, however, that she owes her life to a product that was once tested on animals. PETA wants to stop all animal testing. It is hypocritical for them to demand this yet enjoy the benefits of animal testing. How dare they deny future generations from enjoying the same benefits. If a cure to AIDS could found but only due to animal testing, what right have they to say no.

People don't expect her to stop taking her medication. People expect her to stop being a hypocrite. Obviously animal testing has some benefits. Her own life is an example of this. Instead of being against animal testing, perhaps they should concentrate of things that don't save lives. Animal testing for cosmetic purpose is absolutely wrong, but not for medical purposes.

Generally, people don't like hypocrites or extremists. As soon as PETA stop being both then they will receive less hate from people.

But what can she do?! It was found out ages ago with the medicine. So they had little say in it. I think their stance is to find a cure to thing, but don't use animals as the torture subjects.

true

Also, one word answers don't hold a lot of merit. You're not bringing anything to the boards.

wow this guy needs to chill, and also just think about this, what the hell can you do about it?

 

[jdnoth]

I have no shortage of sympathy for vegetarians. I even understand vegans to a certain degree. But any group that insists on acquiring and whoring out as many celebrities as possible to push their agenda; will immediately be placed alongside Scientologists and other such pathetic, deluded wackjobs in my book.

I would rather strangle and consume a kitten than give these people any sort of moral victory. And it is a shame that they behave like this. There are some serious problems with animal cruelty in the world that need immediate addressing, and this isn't particularly helpful that the main opponents to these problems act like a group of arrogant little pricks when addressing them. If they're serious about ending animal cruelty, the best thing for them to do would be to go to the other side. As long as they're proponents of vegetarianism, I shall continue to eat meat.

 

[Clashero]

Its not their advertisments and blatant attention whoring that makes me dislike them (although that is very damned annoying) Its rather the fact that they're hypocrites; the thousands of animals their employees have illegaly euthanised over the years.

Do you have ay articles on this I could read? I'm sure the 'illegal' euthanations could be putting the animals down after some past cruelty. I'm not seeing an issue here.

That is indeed the case. Although keep in mind that PETA has euthanized more animals than it has saved.

While I'm all for associations that strive to stop animal cruelty, saying that eating meat is wrong because of how it is made, and firebombing research labs is far too extremist. Not to mention that a research lab precisely like the ones they bombed was responsible for creating insulin, a product which is keeping the leader of PETA from dying.

 

[blackshark121]

I don't get it? When did that come up. And one molecule can be a very vast difference.

That's the thing. Being "one molecule" away from something is a senseless statement. Its like saying that a farm is a letter away from a fart. It makes NO sense. Every molecule is "one molecule" away from everyone single OTHER molecule. If they meant atom, as in, how starch is one atom away from fiber, , or water is one atom away from hydroxide, it's still wrong. Also, saying that cancer is a molecule... just no. Cancer isn't a molecule or an atom, its a cell that just doesn't stop reproducing. Their arguments are based in absolute sewage, no closer to being correct than me from being president.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

I don't like them. Infact, I find them childish. Survival of the Fittest takes their arguement and *poof* its gone.

We are the fittest. We will survive(Longer then them really) and the others will die. That is the way of life.

Where does torture and mistreatment come into it? *poof* Your argument is gone.

We're the fittest. There for we get to do whatever we want to whenever we want to. Because we are that badass.

 

[ItsAPaul]

Being hypocrites and generally insane is reason enough for me to hate them. Speaking of which, it's about that time of year for some PETA employees to get caught dumping dead animals in a dumpster.

 

[PurpleRain]

I don't get it? When did that come up. And one molecule can be a very vast difference.

That's the thing. Being "one molecule" away from something is a senseless statement. Its like saying that a farm is a letter away from a fart. It makes NO sense. Every molecule is "one molecule" away from everyone single OTHER molecule. If they meant atom, as in, how starch is one atom away from fiber, , or water is one atom away from hydroxide, it's still wrong. Also, saying that cancer is a molecule... just no. Cancer isn't a molecule or an atom, its a cell that just doesn't stop reproducing. Their arguments are based in absolute sewage, no closer to being correct than me from being president.

I'm just wondering what you're saying? I understand all that. But did someone in PETA say that? Was it in their mission statement to claim meat will give you cancer?

I have no shortage of sympathy for vegetarians. I even understand vegans to a certain degree. But any group that insists on acquiring and whoring out as many celebrities as possible to push their agenda; will immediately be placed alongside Scientologists and other such pathetic, deluded wackjobs in my book.

I would rather strangle and consume a kitten than give these people any sort of moral victory. And it is a shame that they behave like this. There are some serious problems with animal cruelty in the world that need immediate addressing, and this isn't particularly helpful that the main opponents to these problems act like a group of arrogant little pricks when addressing them. If they're serious about ending animal cruelty, the best thing for them to do would be to go to the other side. As long as they're proponents of vegetarianism, I shall continue to eat meat.

This has nothing to do with diet! I claimed that in the OP if you want to reread it!

Vets and Pounds don't firebomb people now do they?

Here's an option: Cut the massive smear campaigns and use those resources to help the animals they claim to protect. I'm not going to give them credit as a legitimate organization if they can't get their priorities straight. Animals first, "awareness" (propaganda) second.

That wasn't the topic we were talking about. It was about putting down the dogs and cats in its care. Now please, would you like to begin again?

You asked for an alternative to putting down 80% of the animals under PETA's care, and I gave you one. Also, I implied that you should not compare PETA to the hard working Vets and Pounds that actually do help animals.

You seem to possess a preternatural ability to misinterpret my posts.

I was saying how talk to your vet. I didn't say I was comparing them. I meant see how many animals they've put down. I've have talked to them, and there is little other option.

As for the alternative, I meant one to putting down animals. You still haven't given me one? So my question is, what do they do with all the animals they claim? They can't find them all homes. So what then? Your last post changed the subject and I wanted an answer. So let's please continue.

wow this guy needs to chill, and also just think about this, what the hell can you do about it?

I am pretty mellow right now. Thanks. But what I can do about it is inform people. Its what the net was made for. A trade of information. Read the OP, my point is for people not to act like jerks when a PETA thread comes into circulation.

I don't like them. Infact, I find them childish. Survival of the Fittest takes their arguement and *poof* its gone.

We are the fittest. We will survive(Longer then them really) and the others will die. That is the way of life.

Where does torture and mistreatment come into it? *poof* Your argument is gone.

We're the fittest. There for we get to do whatever we want to whenever we want to. Because we are that badass.

*Sigh*

 

[Zenode]

Any organisation that stands for animals is somehow "extremist" for god sakes Greenpeace is seem as extremist sometimes and they dont usually do anything violent, there are cases when they attempt to sabotage operations (see Japanese Whaling) but nothing that would harm other people.

P.E.T.A. to me seems as an organisation who is a little more drastic than Greenpeace. Sure they put down 70% of animals but really have you SEEN these animals, i dont claim to but for all you or i know they are terminally ill or have been through so much suffering that putting them down is the best thing for them, i was quoted before and someone said they directly fund homegrown terrorism is there any proof of this, I mean seriously wtf the US government HELPED Osama Bin Laden by getting the C.I.A. to train the group and not many seem to call the US government terrorists.

If Euthanasia is ever approved i cant wait for a P.E.T.H. (People for the ethical treatment of humans) group to pop up and say "but your cutting his/her life short"

 

[CoziestPigeon]

They bought an abandoned prison building (which was trying to be purchased by a group who would use it for a homeless shelter) and turned it into a Lobster Sanctuary, a museum all about how we torture lobsters. Fuck those guys.

Why? A lot of people still don't know how lobsters are cooked. It is horrible.

No its not. They don't feel pain. Also, they are FUCKING SEA BUGS, A BILLION TIMES LESS IMPORTANT THAN HUMAN BEINGS.

 

[GryffinDarkBreed]

My question is why you're defending a publicity front for the ALF and its terrorist actions.

 

[blackshark121]

I'm just wondering what you're saying? I understand all that. But did someone in PETA say that? Was it in their mission statement to claim meat will give you cancer?


I'm saying that some guy in Chicago, wearing a PETA t-shirt, gave me a huge pamphlet with all kinds of bs fact, one of them being the aforementioned meat=cancer fact.

 

[shaltir]

we hate PETA because they are completely batshit insane...now we have to have a reason to hate an organization for being batshit insane?

look i think everyone will agree that what they say they are doing needs to be done..but the rest of that crap needs to be stopped.

EDIT: why is there a new PETA thread?

 

[resultsmayvary]

It's more their methods than their beliefs that make me detest them.

 

[jdnoth]

I don't get it? When did that come up. And one molecule can be a very vast difference.

That's the thing. Being "one molecule" away from something is a senseless statement. Its like saying that a farm is a letter away from a fart. It makes NO sense. Every molecule is "one molecule" away from everyone single OTHER molecule. If they meant atom, as in, how starch is one atom away from fiber, , or water is one atom away from hydroxide, it's still wrong. Also, saying that cancer is a molecule... just no. Cancer isn't a molecule or an atom, its a cell that just doesn't stop reproducing. Their arguments are based in absolute sewage, no closer to being correct than me from being president.

I'm just wondering what you're saying? I understand all that. But did someone in PETA say that? Was it in their mission statement to claim meat will give you cancer?

I have no shortage of sympathy for vegetarians. I even understand vegans to a certain degree. But any group that insists on acquiring and whoring out as many celebrities as possible to push their agenda; will immediately be placed alongside Scientologists and other such pathetic, deluded wackjobs in my book.

I would rather strangle and consume a kitten than give these people any sort of moral victory. And it is a shame that they behave like this. There are some serious problems with animal cruelty in the world that need immediate addressing, and this isn't particularly helpful that the main opponents to these problems act like a group of arrogant little pricks when addressing them. If they're serious about ending animal cruelty, the best thing for them to do would be to go to the other side. As long as they're proponents of vegetarianism, I shall continue to eat meat.

This has nothing to do with diet! I claimed that in the OP if you want to reread it!

Vets and Pounds don't firebomb people now do they?

Here's an option: Cut the massive smear campaigns and use those resources to help the animals they claim to protect. I'm not going to give them credit as a legitimate organization if they can't get their priorities straight. Animals first, "awareness" (propaganda) second.

That wasn't the topic we were talking about. It was about putting down the dogs and cats in its care. Now please, would you like to begin again?

You asked for an alternative to putting down 80% of the animals under PETA's care, and I gave you one. Also, I implied that you should not compare PETA to the hard working Vets and Pounds that actually do help animals.

You seem to possess a preternatural ability to misinterpret my posts.

I was saying how talk to your vet. I didn't say I was comparing them. I meant see how many animals they've put down. I've have talked to them, and there is little other option.

As for the alternative, I meant one to putting down animals. You still haven't given me one? So my question is, what do they do with all the animals they claim? They can't find them all homes. So what then? Your last post changed the subject and I wanted an answer. So let's please continue.

wow this guy needs to chill, and also just think about this, what the hell can you do about it?

I am pretty mellow right now. Thanks. But what I can do about it is inform people. Its what the net was made for. A trade of information. Read the OP, my point is for people not to act like jerks when a PETA thread comes into circulation.

I don't like them. Infact, I find them childish. Survival of the Fittest takes their arguement and *poof* its gone.

We are the fittest. We will survive(Longer then them really) and the others will die. That is the way of life.

Where does torture and mistreatment come into it? *poof* Your argument is gone.

We're the fittest. There for we get to do whatever we want to whenever we want to. Because we are that badass.

*Sigh*

Serious business.
I was just throwing an opinion into the void. Not replying to you. Just because you're op doesn't mean everyone is talking to you.

 

[AhumbleKnight]

I don't think its immoral, I think its hypocritical. She and her group detest all products produced or tested on animals yet she uses it to survive.

Well, what else can she do?

(Also sorry, I've heard that used so many times and I hate it. Really, she may die without it or become extemely ill. It's not tested on pigs anymore is it?)

No, it is no longer tested on animals. The fact remains, however, that she owes her life to a product that was once tested on animals. PETA wants to stop all animal testing. It is hypocritical for them to demand this yet enjoy the benefits of animal testing. How dare they deny future generations from enjoying the same benefits. If a cure to AIDS could found but only due to animal testing, what right have they to say no.

People don't expect her to stop taking her medication. People expect her to stop being a hypocrite. Obviously animal testing has some benefits. Her own life is an example of this. Instead of being against animal testing, perhaps they should concentrate of things that don't save lives. Animal testing for cosmetic purpose is absolutely wrong, but not for medical purposes.

Generally, people don't like hypocrites or extremists. As soon as PETA stop being both then they will receive less hate from people.

But what can she do?! It was found out ages ago with the medicine. So they had little say in it. I think their stance is to find a cure to thing, but don't use animals as the torture subjects.

I already said what she can do. Stop being a hypocrite. Don't actively try to stop something that you are personally a beneficiary of. These products NEED to be tested. Who/what are they going to test them on in order to prove their viability.

In your original post you said:

I'm really just ranting now and I don't want to. I just really want people to think before they act and stop following the crowd.

I'm not arguing to say that PETA is amazing and everyone should join, hell, I'm not trying to promote them, I just want people to have some sense before they put in their two cents.

Judging from the range of responces most people have based their dislike of PETA on valid reasons. There will always be a minority that will have uninformed opinions or spout some crap to get a responce. Ignore them like the rest of us do, and pay atention to those who at least seem of have some form of a legit respoce, even if it is a one sentence statement about how they hate them cos they are hypocrites.

You have on a number of occasions agreed with some of the points against PETA that have been made. You have said "I don't agree with everything they do, but". But, for most others who have chosen to respond here, it is not good enough. These valid points are enough to bring their organisation into disrepute. Just because you choose to look past this does not mean we should.