So how are Geohot and the Sony hackers heros?

[RDubayoo]

the people attacking Sony are not probably not anonymous (their skill levels are in a completely different ball park) and the web postings we see of people claiming to be them are probably a smoke screen or simply put up by someone who is affiliated enough to know what is going on but not part of the operation.

And yet, while at the same time they deny responsibility for this hacking attack, Anonymous has basically declared Internet Jihad on Sony. If they want to look innocent they are doing a terrible job of it.

Furthermore, I don't think Geohot should be off the hook either. Yeah, maybe it wasn't cool to strip away the Other OS feature, considering what the Air Force was able to accomplish with it, but let's be serious here, the main draw of "jailbreaking" (or however you want to put it) your PS3 is so that you can play pirated games on it, so Sony was completely justified in shutting him down. Also, watching guys like Geohot and Anonymous in action, I can't help but think that, to some extent, their actions are a little mindless. It's as if they value the act of hacking more than the purpose of said hacking, if that makes sense.

 

[CrustyOatmeal]

i support geohot because all he wanted to do is say that people have a right to mod the equipment they own the way they see fit, just like how i could replace the engine in my car as long as i understand that the car dealership from which i bought the car now has no liability for any faults in the car. so if my car explodes because of my new engine it is my fault but if it is a stock car then it is the companies fault for producing dangerous equipment; the same principle should be implemented with their equipment

i semi-support anon because they fight for freedom of speech. the only problem i have with them is that they are a loosely comprised group of hackers with no loyalty to one another and complete freedom to drastically alter anon's image through third party actions (basically the whole anybody can/ is anon)

i do not agree with the hackers that attacked the PSN because i feel they did it for either notoriety, credit card data, or to give non a bad name. either way, they are douche bags that need to be be punished

 

[bdcjacko]

3 Things.

1. Geohot =/= hackers and while you can still think he is wrong it is a different issue.
2. I have yet to see anyone be glad at the hackers let alone call them heros.
3. People can still be mad at Sony for its failures, that doesnt magicly make them on the hackers side.

Stop being so black and white about it.

1) Isn't geohot a hacker? I never said he was one of the hackers to hack into sony, but he is a hacker, is he not?

2) I have seen a few people act like the sony hackers are heros or right or freedom fighters or something. There are people that have been acting like that on this site no less.
3) I'm not making that claim, I recognize people can not like sony and not like the hackers.
4) I'm not being black and white about this as I clearly stated everyone in this seems to have dirty hands.

 

[Mad1Cow]

I have my personal quarrels with Sony so I'm not they're biggest fan. But by no means are the hackers any heroes. They have stolen peoples information, personal information and then sold it off to others, comprising loads of peoples money. If that's good, then I'm George Washington...and a bunny...and a scientologist...

People love a good bit of rebelling because nothing else happens in our boring lives. You should hear the complaints we get over bin collections here in Britain, sheez, you'd think it was World War 3...

 

[Dusk17]

Someone has a though like "I know, I will try to bring down an international electronics giant, shake up the economy and leave thousands unemployed. That's sure to make me a hero. FIGHT THE SYSTEM!" or something like that

also someone needs to start a petition or something to get rid of these freaking captchas

 

[bombadilillo]

3 Things.

1. Geohot =/= hackers and while you can still think he is wrong it is a different issue.
2. I have yet to see anyone be glad at the hackers let alone call them heros.
3. People can still be mad at Sony for its failures, that doesnt magicly make them on the hackers side.

Stop being so black and white about it.

1) Isn't geohot a hacker? I never said he was one of the hackers to hack into sony, but he is a hacker, is he not?

2) I have seen a few people act like the sony hackers are heros or right or freedom fighters or something. There are people that have been acting like that on this site no less.
3) I'm not making that claim, I recognize people can not like sony and not like the hackers.
4) I'm not being black and white about this as I clearly stated everyone in this seems to have dirty hands.

1. The title is Geohot and the Hackers, placing them in the same group. Geohot jailbroke the ps3 in response to sony killing the other OS feature. Personally I am pissed at Sony for removing that feature in the shady way and dont have a problem with what he did.
2. A lot of people are behind geohot and I think this is where your confusion is. He is even in the same group of "Hackers"
3. Fair enough.
4. See point 3, it sounded like you were taking peoples anger at Sony as approval for the Hackers.

 

[linwolf]

Sony fucked up so big on this that I won't be unhappy if their entire gaming division goes down. On the flip I don't like vigilantism, so I hope they get caught. About Geohot I don't like him but what he did should be legal.

 

[Flailing Escapist]

This doesn't scream hero?

take the piss all you like but the mind behind that face is probably smarter than pretty much everyone on this forum (in relation to his field)

I'm not arguing with you, I'm sure he's plently smart; but this a forum where we're discussing if he's a "hero" or not.

 

[F'Angus]

Sometimes I think hackers are doing good... this time was way too far, no way are they the heroes

 

[bdcjacko]

3 Things.

1. Geohot =/= hackers and while you can still think he is wrong it is a different issue.
2. I have yet to see anyone be glad at the hackers let alone call them heros.
3. People can still be mad at Sony for its failures, that doesnt magicly make them on the hackers side.

Stop being so black and white about it.

1) Isn't geohot a hacker? I never said he was one of the hackers to hack into sony, but he is a hacker, is he not?

2) I have seen a few people act like the sony hackers are heros or right or freedom fighters or something. There are people that have been acting like that on this site no less.
3) I'm not making that claim, I recognize people can not like sony and not like the hackers.
4) I'm not being black and white about this as I clearly stated everyone in this seems to have dirty hands.

1. The title is Geohot and the Hackers, placing them in the same group. Geohot jailbroke the ps3 in response to sony killing the other OS feature. Personally I am pissed at Sony for

The title is Geohot and the Sony hackers, not Geohot's Sony hackers, the hackers lead by geohot attacking Sony or any other perpetuation. I was trying to imply the are different and separate from each other but wanting to talk about both in the same thread. So I said Geohot and the Sony hackers. I then went on to recognize that Geohot is not part of the Anon or Lolsecs hacking groups in the actual post. You do know the title can only be so many character and shouldn't be viewed as the entire argument or thought, right?

 

[jackpipsam]

While I am unsure if Anon did this, they are much more than "lolcat haters" look up there history

 

[RA92]

What's even more pathetic is people generalizing hackers as basement-dwelling, virgin man-children, etc.

Also, props to OP for equating jail-breaking with server hacking.

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

Sometimes I don't agree with what sony does. But the hackers went too far, possibly taking credit card numbers, and everything. I mean they really are hurting us.

 

[bombadilillo]

3 Things.

1. Geohot =/= hackers and while you can still think he is wrong it is a different issue.
2. I have yet to see anyone be glad at the hackers let alone call them heros.
3. People can still be mad at Sony for its failures, that doesnt magicly make them on the hackers side.

Stop being so black and white about it.

1) Isn't geohot a hacker? I never said he was one of the hackers to hack into sony, but he is a hacker, is he not?

2) I have seen a few people act like the sony hackers are heros or right or freedom fighters or something. There are people that have been acting like that on this site no less.
3) I'm not making that claim, I recognize people can not like sony and not like the hackers.
4) I'm not being black and white about this as I clearly stated everyone in this seems to have dirty hands.

1. The title is Geohot and the Hackers, placing them in the same group. Geohot jailbroke the ps3 in response to sony killing the other OS feature. Personally I am pissed at Sony for

The title is Geohot and the Sony hackers, not Geohot's Sony hackers, the hackers lead by geohot attacking Sony or any other perpetuation. I was trying to imply the are different and separate from each other but wanting to talk about both in the same thread. So I said Geohot and the Sony hackers. I then went on to recognize that Geohot is not part of the Anon or Lolsecs hacking groups in the actual post. You do know the title can only be so many character and shouldn't be viewed as the entire argument or thought, right?

Dude, you said "So how are Geohot and the Sony hackers heros?" So If you are implying that people think they both are heros. Its a complex question basicly. Poor wording.

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

I guess I don't understand why these guys are considered the good guys and Sony is evil? Because Sony is big and suing people, so they must be evil and it is geo right to be able to hack shit and post how to hack it online, therefore he is a hero. And now Anonymous and some sort of lolcat hackers are taking up arms against Sony for suing a fellow hacker? How is the honorable? That seems like terrorism. It just seems to me that everyone in this situation has dirty hands.

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something.

They won't learn very fast, they're not doing much to Sony... I mean, honestly a bunch of skiddie lolcat nerds arn't taking out a MNC like Sony any time soon.

 

[bdcjacko]

Dude, you said "So how are Geohot and the Sony hackers heros?" So If you are implying that people think they both are heros. Its a complex question basicly. Poor wording.

It isn't my fault you can't understand context. I stated in the first post that Anon and lolwhatever were inspired by Geohot getting sued. I figured the people who knew more about the situation (who this thread is directed at) would realize that I know Geohot isn't Anon or that lolsecs.

 

[Jonabob87]

This doesn't scream hero?

take the piss all you like but the mind behind that face is probably smarter than pretty much everyone on this forum (in relation to his field)

I'm not arguing with you, I'm sure he's plently smart; but this a forum where we're discussing if he's a "hero" or not.

well personally i think if you buy a product you should be able to use every feature is capable of and most certainly ones that were previously "sale points".

as far as im concerned "sale" is "sale" pure and simple (in terms of physical goods). not some complicated obfuscated legal definition where someone else can dictate what you can do with what you have paid to own.

Modding your console isn't the thing that Sony has a problem with, connecting to PSN with that console is what they have a problem with.

Essentially, you can do whatever the hell you want with your PS3 so long as you understand that it means you forfeit your right to PSN.

 

[Jamis]

I've already came to the conclusion that i will beat said hackers to death in the street should they be unfortunate enough to run into me. Brutish? Yes. Morally Justified? No. Satisfying to the point where jail time is ok? Yes