So how are Geohot and the Sony hackers heros?

[V8 Ninja]

They aren't. While I can't speak for the Geohot situation, I can say why people are blaming Sony for the hacking of PSN; it's because people don't have any real "Face" to blame. People want to get angry when something bad happens. If there's no real person to get angry at, then people make illogical steps and find someone to blame.

 

[RatRace123]

You're not missing anything, they're not heroes. They're dicks who have skill at hacking and decided to attack a large company.
It'd be tolerable if the company was the only thing that got attacked, but the users were attacked to. Potentially putting millions of people at risk of identity theft doesn't qualify as "heroism" it qualifies as cyber terrorism. Of course there are idiots who still see these assholes as "stickin' it to the man", the Geo Hotz thing may be more understadable, even if I think the guy is a douche. The whole thing was a damn cirucs though.
The PSN hackers, have no such luck, they're not even hurting Sony, just PSN users.

 

[bombadilillo]

Dude, you said "So how are Geohot and the Sony hackers heros?" So If you are implying that people think they both are heros. Its a complex question basicly. Poor wording.

It isn't my fault you can't understand context. I stated in the first post that Anon and lolwhatever were inspired by Geohot getting sued. I figured the people who knew more about the situation (who this thread is directed at) would realize that I know Geohot isn't Anon or that lolsecs.

Its not my fault you so misunderstand the situation you make a thread about this and place two seperate groups on the same side...You context is wrong, which is why I told you it was.

 

[Flailing Escapist]

well personally i think if you buy a product you should be able to use every feature is capable of and most certainly ones that were previously "sale points".

as far as im concerned "sale" is "sale" pure and simple (in terms of physical goods). not some complicated obfuscated legal definition where someone else can dictate what you can do with what you have paid for.

And kudos to you, thats a good point, and I agree with you.

I feel like Sony is the rich grandmother that you occasionally spend the summer with (because you're parents want you out of the house but they won't pay for camp) and she will only feed you if you wear a cute little sailor oufit. But now you're visiting her for the summer, and you're 21 but she still expects you to wear the sailor outfit.

Now most of us will keep our heads down; because Gran-Gran has a sh*^ton of money and she always buys you the nicest (*insert $$ here*) toys. So being embarressed is a small price to pay, besides, you can just stay inside all day to play with the goodies Me-Ma got you. But there are some of us that get upset when we have to wear our sailor suits all the time and we let grandma know! (tho usually only in the form or internet forums or violent e-mails) But we still play with the toys she gots us at the end of the day.

And then there are geohotz and the sony hackers who tear off the sailor suit and run around the shopping mall naked; telling everyone in earshot about how horrible and oppressing their grandma is. And when they get back to Me-Mas they break all the toys and steal as much as they can out of granny's purse before they book it (naked) back home. Except with the sony hackers they don't just break their toys they break everybody's toys.

 

[Zeroththeking]

They aren't heroes, but they are impressive.

 

[bdcjacko]

Dude, you said "So how are Geohot and the Sony hackers heros?" So If you are implying that people think they both are heros. Its a complex question basicly. Poor wording.

It isn't my fault you can't understand context. I stated in the first post that Anon and lolwhatever were inspired by Geohot getting sued. I figured the people who knew more about the situation (who this thread is directed at) would realize that I know Geohot isn't Anon or that lolsecs.

Its not my fault you so misunderstand the situation you make a thread about this and place two seperate groups on the same side...You context is wrong, which is why I told you it was.

So are you suggesting I should have said "So how are Geohot and the Sony hackers (who are totally a different group on not Geohot in any way) heroes?" Because that is an unnecessarily long title.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Dude, you said "So how are Geohot and the Sony hackers heros?" So If you are implying that people think they both are heros. Its a complex question basicly. Poor wording.

It isn't my fault you can't understand context. I stated in the first post that Anon and lolwhatever were inspired by Geohot getting sued. I figured the people who knew more about the situation (who this thread is directed at) would realize that I know Geohot isn't Anon or that lolsecs.

Its not my fault you so misunderstand the situation you make a thread about this and place two seperate groups on the same side...You context is wrong, which is why I told you it was.

Everyone else seems to have understood what he meant, why are you having such difficulty?

OT: Geohot, anon, and lolsecs are all criminals who deserve jail time. That being said Geohot is the lesser evil out of all of them but he still committed a crime by hacking the Playstation

 

[Sharalon]

While I am unsure if Anon did this, they are much more than "lolcat haters" look up there history

I think that "lolcat haters" refers to LulzSec, the guys who are currently trying to bring down Sonys network.

 

[Kyogissun]

I'm sorry but why does the OP lump Geohot in with the hackers that brought down PSN? How are these two in ANY way related? One cracked what I was aware was the 'source code' of the PS3, as in he opened it up for homebrewing/jailbreaking it and whatnot (but allowed others to play games for free I assume) and the other BROUGHT DOWN AN ONLINE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM PLAYING GAMES ONLINE AND PURCHASING TITLES FROM SAID INFRASTRUCTURE.

One made a device open for personal customization, the other maliciously ruined an online network and stole what I imagine is a couple million people's personal information.

Again, please state how these two are related and why both are inherently bad. I'm genuinely unaware of how the two are related and why Geohot and these assholes are in the same group.

 

[minimacker]

He's not a hero, per se, but I do believe that Sony is straightening the rules so badly, this was bound to happen.

Not being able to install your own OS is frankly, ridiculous. Imagine Microsoft banning everything but Windows 7. Anything else cause your computer to fail and burst into flames.

 

[Bakuryukun]

This doesn't scream hero?

take the piss all you like but the mind behind that face is probably smarter than pretty much everyone on this forum (in relation to his field)

I'm not arguing with you, I'm sure he's plently smart; but this a forum where we're discussing if he's a "hero" or not.

well personally i think if you buy a product you should be able to use every feature is capable of and most certainly ones that were previously "sale points".

as far as im concerned "sale" is "sale" pure and simple (in terms of physical goods). not some complicated obfuscated legal definition where the seller can dictate what you can do with what you have paid to own.

the problem with that is it becomes much more of a grey area if the thing that you are sold is a hybrid of a physical product (The PS3 itself) and a intangible service (The PlayStation Network and all of it's online capabilities) this actually complicates things a great deal when it comes to current laws on the subject. That is the unfortunate reality of the subject, and it's only going to get worse and the line between services and actual product blurs.

 

[Jumplion]

Sony fucked up so big on this that I won't be unhappy if their entire gaming division goes down. On the flip I don't like vigilantism, so I hope they get caught. About Geohot I don't like him but what he did should be legal.

So you support bringing down an entire section of a multimedia corporation that, if brought down, would have literally thousands upon thousands of people out of work, dozens of developers without a publisher, hundreds of games canceled in development, an entire system brought to dust, losing competition in a competition-heavy industry, all because Sony did something that some hackers/crackers/whatever didn't like?

I don't care what anyone says, having Sony, or any other gaming company for that matter, go down would be disastrous not only for the video game industry, but for several other industries and the world depending on the extent of the "bringing down".

As for these hackers/crackers/whatever, it's all really confusing. I don't know what to think about the Geohot vs. Sony stuff, but I won't lump Geohot in with the current hackers. He stated that he does not support what these guys are doing. These current assholes of hackers are just assholes. They have no justification for their actions. You do not punch the bully's victim to prove to him that bullying is bad. They had absolutely no right to steal 70+ million people's information, and doing so completely invalidates any point they were (allegedly) trying to make.

 

[The Rockerfly]

While I don't agree with the group, the ignorance of people who are saying they are "idiots", "losers" and just generally putting them as society douchebags, they probably aren't. Chances are these people are very normal but are very well knowledge with computers.

I know you want to make them seem like the worst kind of people in every way but there is no need to make yourself look ignorant at the same time

So you support bringing down an entire section of a multimedia corporation that, if brought down, would have literally thousands upon thousands of people out of work, dozens of developers without a publisher, hundreds of games canceled in development, an entire system brought to dust, losing competition in a competition-heavy industry, all because Sony did something that some hackers/crackers/whatever didn't like?

Hold on, hundreds of games cancelled? That's hyperbole there. To be fair as well, Sony knew there systems were insecure so potentially they could have avoided this mess if they had listened to those warnings

I don't agree with the hackers in any way, I just think we should be reasonable about this and not blow it out of proportion.

 

[00slash00]

they are only heroes in their own little world. i mean if they want to take down sony, that fine. only attacking playstation isnt gonna do much because they still make plenty of money off their electronics but whatever. but what theyre doing isnt attacking sony, its attacking sonys customers

 

[Agayek]

I guess I don't understand why these guys are considered the good guys and Sony is evil? Because Sony is big and suing people, so they must be evil and it is geo right to be able to hack shit and post how to hack it online, therefore he is a hero. And now Anonymous and some sort of lolcat hackers are taking up arms against Sony for suing a fellow hacker? How is the honorable? That seems like terrorism. It just seems to me that everyone in this situation has dirty hands.

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something.

Whoever hacked Sony is most definitely not a hero. They're criminals and deserve whatever they get.

GeoHotz on the other hand is a bit more of a complex issue. I'm mostly ambivalent on the subject, but GeoHotz did not really "hack" anything so much as restore functionality Sony advertised, then took away. The rootkit for the PS3 just means you can run homebrew code on your PS3, which is essentially what the "OtherOS" functionality was.

Sony removed it for security reasons, and people were understandably pissed off that a feature they had paid for had been removed. The way I see it, GeoHotz was definitely in the right for cracking the thing and restoring that functionality.

Now if somewhere to use that restored functionality to hack into, say, the PSN, they would be clearly in the wrong and in desperate need of a boot to the face. That doesn't mean the act of restoring that functionality is inherently wrong or anything.

Edit: As for Anon's response, that was just silly and immature, not to mention reasonably ineffective.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

They aren't in my mind. GeoHot was a bit of a diffrent issue, but I will say that there was no excuse for the hackers who took down the PSN.

And at this point, I hope they become an heroes. That would make me very happy

 

[artanis_neravar]

He's not a hero, per se, but I do believe that Sony is straightening the rules so badly, this was bound to happen.

Not being able to install your own OS is frankly, ridiculous. Imagine Microsoft banning everything but Windows 7. Anything else cause your computer to fail and burst into flames.

Microsoft didn't build or sell me my computer, Sony both built and sold me my PlayStation your metaphor doesn't really work

 

[Grunt_Man11]

No, the hackers of the PSN and SOE are not heroes, nor were they in the right.

Yes, Sony wasn't a hero either. They're whole "welcome back" thing was just a glorified promotion. And as I stated in other posts a while back, the whole Sony v. Geohotz thing was douche vs. douche.

Those Anon members hacking PSN was just appalling. All it really did was hurt the customers, and negatively affect gamers.

This is like if in Star Wars the Rebel Alliance didn't send their fleet to Endor, and instead sent it to Corrasent (Imperial city planet) and proceeded to bombarded it from orbit.

If you're not a fan of that analogy, then here you go.

You can't act as greedy as the corporation you're fighting and expect to be revered for it.