oh and they have to sleep in a coffin
cos well anybody who can sleep in a coffin is a badass in my book
cos well anybody who can sleep in a coffin is a badass in my book
SO... How DO you like vampires?
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I preferred the non-almighty vampires of the Vampire:The Masquerade mythos from white wolf.
Quaint, deadly, but not godlike, and always having to hide in shadows lest they be caught and burned at the steak :3.
Quaint, deadly, but not godlike, and always having to hide in shadows lest they be caught and burned at the steak :3.
As much as I liked Anne Rice's books I can see that she probably started the trend of making them more romantic and beautiful seriously if you read them there's description after description of how beautiful they are with there white skin lustrous hair and preternatural eyes and most of the vampires seem to be gay or bisexual but at least they are still killers who enjoy themselves
The most recent versions I liked are the ones from Hellsing and 30 Days of Night
Where the Vampires are most definitely monsters
The most recent versions I liked are the ones from Hellsing and 30 Days of Night
Where the Vampires are most definitely monsters
So I know many will snarl viciously at this, but...well here goes:
I've never had that much of a problem with the Twilight vampire lore. Yes, of course they are emotional and much more human than monsterish, and they may lack some of the traditional powers. But Stephanie Meyer wanted to put a new twist on vampire traits, and she certainly did. Now there are knockoffs, and influenced variations, AND plenty of the "old-school" vampires around. The great and awesome thing about vampire mythology, monster mythology, heck, mythological creatures as a whole is that it's MALLEABLE. It's anything you want it to be! Over the ages, and through different cultural periods, myths and fairy tales and their characters undergo fascinating changes, often reflecting the times. But even when a change becomes prevalent, that by no means dictates all following material. You'll find dozens and dozens of different versions of mythological phenomena, each one the product of a purposeful author, however stunningly creative or unoriginal that person may be.
So. I don't see the need to panic just because the "traditional" (whatever that means) vampire lore is manifested in a new and unique way--that you happen to hate. Don't like sparkly skin? Dive into gritty Daybreakers. Don't like the mushy romance? Read The Strain. Or go classic and get Stoker's Dracula. Can't seem to find anything? Well then, go out there and CREATE the next vampire epic! Shape your bloodsuckers into anything you want. You can bet countless others before you have.
*ahem* Sooo. Personally I enjoy child vampires. So creepy...and innocent-looking... I've always been fond of going against the current a bit, tho, so if I was to have my own...they would be either 1) surprisingly genial and funny and very down-to-earth about the fact that they have to drink blood. almost like they were on a special diet or something. OR 2) an extremely unsupernatural vampire...really, only vampiric thing about them is that they need to drink blood to survive and they act somewhat feral. ordinary clothes, no fangs, no fancy powers....just as if a human suddenly was gripped by this unstoppable thirst. having no instruments, they must drain their victims with...anything sharp, really, before lapping the krovvy up like a dog.
I've never had that much of a problem with the Twilight vampire lore. Yes, of course they are emotional and much more human than monsterish, and they may lack some of the traditional powers. But Stephanie Meyer wanted to put a new twist on vampire traits, and she certainly did. Now there are knockoffs, and influenced variations, AND plenty of the "old-school" vampires around. The great and awesome thing about vampire mythology, monster mythology, heck, mythological creatures as a whole is that it's MALLEABLE. It's anything you want it to be! Over the ages, and through different cultural periods, myths and fairy tales and their characters undergo fascinating changes, often reflecting the times. But even when a change becomes prevalent, that by no means dictates all following material. You'll find dozens and dozens of different versions of mythological phenomena, each one the product of a purposeful author, however stunningly creative or unoriginal that person may be.
So. I don't see the need to panic just because the "traditional" (whatever that means) vampire lore is manifested in a new and unique way--that you happen to hate. Don't like sparkly skin? Dive into gritty Daybreakers. Don't like the mushy romance? Read The Strain. Or go classic and get Stoker's Dracula. Can't seem to find anything? Well then, go out there and CREATE the next vampire epic! Shape your bloodsuckers into anything you want. You can bet countless others before you have.
*ahem* Sooo. Personally I enjoy child vampires. So creepy...and innocent-looking... I've always been fond of going against the current a bit, tho, so if I was to have my own...they would be either 1) surprisingly genial and funny and very down-to-earth about the fact that they have to drink blood. almost like they were on a special diet or something. OR 2) an extremely unsupernatural vampire...really, only vampiric thing about them is that they need to drink blood to survive and they act somewhat feral. ordinary clothes, no fangs, no fancy powers....just as if a human suddenly was gripped by this unstoppable thirst. having no instruments, they must drain their victims with...anything sharp, really, before lapping the krovvy up like a dog.
I really have to say, I enjoy the Vampires from 'True Blood'. There's something about the sexuality of it all that makes them feel fairly genuine. Sunlight sears the flesh like a blowtorch, thereby making travel during the day not impossible, but reserved for emergencies.
There is an exact science and procedure to turning a human, not simply bite and *flash* now there is a new Vamp. It seems as though Charlaine Harris sat down and actually thought up rules for governing Vampire Science.
There is an exact science and procedure to turning a human, not simply bite and *flash* now there is a new Vamp. It seems as though Charlaine Harris sat down and actually thought up rules for governing Vampire Science.
i like em dead from wooden stakes to the heart and garlic asphyxiation , just fine thank you...
I enjoy a number of types of vampires. I don't really care for them once they get to the God like status of Twilight. Movie Bob is right, if there is no downside to being a vampire, why the hell isn't everyone a vampire?
So I guess a must for me is there has to be some downside, something your are going to lose to become a vampire. You can't be out in the day is good, you can't be around humans without accidentally killing them is good, you lose your soul and become a demon thing is good. I mean, there are so many ways to make becoming a vampire unattractive.
As far as powers go, it depends. As long as they can be killed in some ridiculously easy way by humans, I'm good. They can be super powerful, leap tall buildings in a single bound and all that, but they still have to be vulnerable to something like, a water gun filled with holy water or a cleverly placed UV light. Otherwise they would have taken over the planet by now, and I can't really buy that.
So I guess a must for me is there has to be some downside, something your are going to lose to become a vampire. You can't be out in the day is good, you can't be around humans without accidentally killing them is good, you lose your soul and become a demon thing is good. I mean, there are so many ways to make becoming a vampire unattractive.
As far as powers go, it depends. As long as they can be killed in some ridiculously easy way by humans, I'm good. They can be super powerful, leap tall buildings in a single bound and all that, but they still have to be vulnerable to something like, a water gun filled with holy water or a cleverly placed UV light. Otherwise they would have taken over the planet by now, and I can't really buy that.
I can't belive this thread has gone on so long without mentioning Christopher Lee's Dracula. I used to watch Hammer horror every weekend when I was a kid
Has anyone read Barbara Hambley's books Those Who Hunt the Night and Travelling With the Dead? They're about vampires in early 1900's England (or in the second book, Europe) and go into great detail about their vampires. Hambley's vampires APPEAR to be super fast (you can be looking at one and then BAM it's behind you caressing your neck) because they have powerful psychic abilities which include the power to blank out your mind long enough for them to stand up and walk around behind you before releasing you. They can also directly control the minds of the living, although the strong-willed can resist them. But they're still extremely fast by human standards and strong enough to bend an iron bar. They are violently allergic to silver (it literally blisters their flesh), they are physically incapable of remaining awake during the day and sunlight literally sears their flesh from their bones, although particularly ancient vampires develop resistances to these weaknesses. Finally, a human can only be made into a vampire by consent as the human must entrust their soul to the vampires's keeping for the duration of their body's death and transformation. A medical doctor in the books theorised that vampirism is a blood-borne mutation, but cannot explain the more spiritual aspects of their existence (although they can live on animal blood for a while, they must drink the "deaths" of human prey in order to feed their psychic powers, otherwise they begin to become slow and stupid).
They're REALLY good books. You should track them down if you like vampires. Don Simon Ysidro the ancient Spanish aristocrat from the court of the Sun King, now residing in London, is my favourite fictional vampire.
They're REALLY good books. You should track them down if you like vampires. Don Simon Ysidro the ancient Spanish aristocrat from the court of the Sun King, now residing in London, is my favourite fictional vampire.
Alucard from Hellsing. Keep in mind: Hellsing was all it took to convince me that there are, in fact, some anime's worth watching. Well, that and Lain.
I myself love vampires. I play the whitewolf roleplaying system with the vampire expansion book thingy and know quite a bit of vampire lore. The Twilight vampires themselves didn't bother me, it was how they were used.
When I read twilight (the first book), I liked it for what is was at the beggining, a somewhat poorly written romantic novel. I tried to forget that vampires and werewolves were involved. I however did not like the Bella that much, she was a lot like me, submissive, which I found anti feminist. After that when the supernatural thing got introduced, I just couldn't read. I agree with moviebob on many points about the books/movies. I myself being a male feminist respect women just as much as men and was appalled by the objectifying of Bella. Most of my female otaku friends also hated them because they themselves hated the message.
I think Twilight would have worked well for a book if it dropped the supernatural theme, had a more average female, and a submissive or still Edwardish guy. As long as the girl showed respect for herself it would be a nice poorly written romance novel.
When I read twilight (the first book), I liked it for what is was at the beggining, a somewhat poorly written romantic novel. I tried to forget that vampires and werewolves were involved. I however did not like the Bella that much, she was a lot like me, submissive, which I found anti feminist. After that when the supernatural thing got introduced, I just couldn't read. I agree with moviebob on many points about the books/movies. I myself being a male feminist respect women just as much as men and was appalled by the objectifying of Bella. Most of my female otaku friends also hated them because they themselves hated the message.
I think Twilight would have worked well for a book if it dropped the supernatural theme, had a more average female, and a submissive or still Edwardish guy. As long as the girl showed respect for herself it would be a nice poorly written romance novel.
