So I ask you, Escapists.... What is the Truth?

[Caimekaze]

I was referring to the pure sense of holding an opinion, rather than the judgements on holding that opinion. That is to say, you can not argue an opinion, merely the facts that support said opinion. Your own personal opinion on an opinion doesn't not make it right or wrong.

But an opinion can be right, just as it may be wrong.
It would be a simple matter to prove, given time.

Two people are driving, and they come across a T intersection. They have to make a choice. Do they go left? or do they go right? In the end, the choice is meaningless, seeing as in this situation both paths are exactly the same for sights, sounds, atmosphere, danger, time taken to reach destination, any statistic you can think of.
Naturally, the one will choose left, the other right.

But why would they do this?

Why would they do this?

Because people are different.

I wouldn't say that those choices are opinions, merely split choices which could be made from a variety of factors. I, for example, would pick left; I'm left handed, so it is my natural preference. I wouldn't argue if the person with me wanted to go right, however. I would happily concede the point. Is it an opinion if you don't care to argue the point?

 

[Barakiel]

Again, you get me wrong!
I never asked how you find the truth
I asked you what the Truth is.
Do you get what I am asking you?

You asked what the truth is "without context or fact". That is what I responded to. There is no truth without fact.

Once more.

There
is
no
truth
without
fact

Do you get what I'm answering with?

I've answered the same way three times now.

So your answer to my question...
Is that pure truth, before any conception of reality, cannot exist?

Excuse me for saying, but the way you were answering (to me, at any rate) implied that you did not understand my original question.

"How do you define the Truth?"
"Truth cannot exist without context or fact" (Or "There is not truth without fact")

Do I finally understand you?

Why would they do this?

Because people are different.

I wouldn't say that those choices are opinions, merely split choices which could be made from a variety of factors. I, for example, would pick left; I'm left handed, so it is my natural preference. I wouldn't argue if the person with me wanted to go right, however. I would happily concede the point. Is it an opinion if you don't care to argue the point?

Yes, even if you do not care to argue the point, you had an opinion.
And that opinion was left.

even if you had chosen to argue your point, the other person's opinion would have been right.

Edit: Forgot to quote.

 

[Barakiel]

Edit: Double Post

 

[Gxas]

So your answer to my question...
Is that pure truth, before any conception of reality, cannot exist?

Excuse me for saying, but the way you were answering (to me, at any rate) implied that you did not understand my original question.

"How do you define the Truth?"
"Truth cannot exist without context or fact" (Or "There is not truth without fact")

Do I finally understand you?

There you go.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

Final, objective Truth can only be found in mathematics and fiction.

 

[Woem]

The truth? The truth is that there... are... Four... Lights!

 

[Caimekaze]

Why would they do this?

Because people are different.

I wouldn't say that those choices are opinions, merely split choices which could be made from a variety of factors. I, for example, would pick left; I'm left handed, so it is my natural preference. I wouldn't argue if the person with me wanted to go right, however. I would happily concede the point. Is it an opinion if you don't care to argue the point?

Yes, even if you do not care to argue the point, you had an opinion.
And that opinion was left.

even if you had chosen to argue your point, the other person's opinion would have been right.

Firstly, you double posted.
You're new here, so it's not that bad, but try not to do it in the future.

Secondly, FUCK. Haha, that was brilliant. I concede, good sir. Very, very well played.

 

[Xojins]

Truth = what actually happened.

 

[Iron Mal]

The truth of the matter is that there's no such thing as the 'truth'.

No matter how well proven a point is there will always be someone with another perspective and there will always be questions that can't be answered.

Objectively speaking the truth will never be obtained but subjectively the truth can be found (usually after a long time with a lot of effort), it just won't be the absolute 'truth'.

 

[Xanadu84]

Truth is Axiomatic. Truth is NOT subjective. Truth is, by definition, objective and unchangeable. We say that truth is subjective because our interpretation of the truth, our only link to the truth, is subjective. And we pursue that truth with truths lesser siblings of probability, evidence, and confidence.

 

[DemonicVixen]

When in doubt, wikipedia.

IT LIES!!! it told me Michael Jackson was dead when he was still alive, 1 year before he died. When i went to prove it, the comment had been removed

 

[Barakiel]

Firstly, you double posted.
You're new here, so it's not that bad, but try not to do it in the future.

Secondly, FUCK. Haha, that was brilliant. I concede, good sir. Very, very well played.

Well, I fixed it. Mostly.
And this is the English language. Of course it was brilliant.

What is the truth to me?
Whatever I perceive it to be. No matter what you might think the truth is, I will always be true to myself. In my words, in my actions, and in the way I can equate what is true with what is correct.

After all, I knew I was right.

 

[FallenRainbows]

You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Bloody ninja's...

Um. I don't everything is merely theories competing the best backed up via evidence is the "truth".

 

[Shadowfaze]

The "Truth" is a kind of mythical metal in the Discworld stories.

 

[ars731]

Blaine is a pain.. that is the truth

 

[Helmet]

My philosophy on it? Simple enough: Truth is.

What I view as the truth and what you view as the truth may not be the same, but what is true for me is not necessarily false. My truth works for me, as yours does for you.

Makes sense to me.

 

[lodo_bear]

The truth is that which holds up to the onslaught of prejudice and deceit. Unfortunately, even when the truth holds up, it doesn't always advertise this fact, so often prejudice and deceit declare victory. This is why we find ourselves in the messed-up world we now live in.

 

[Barakiel]

Truth is Axiomatic. Truth is NOT subjective. Truth is, by definition, objective and unchangeable. We say that truth is subjective because our interpretation of the truth, our only link to the truth, is subjective. And we pursue that truth with truths lesser siblings of probability, evidence, and confidence.

One small moment.

I want to quote Dictionary.com for a moment.

Truth
  [trooth]
?noun, plural truths  /truðz, truθs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [troothz, trooths] Show IPA .
1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth.
2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.
3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.
4. the state or character of being true.
5. actuality or actual existence.
6. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
7. honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
8. (often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience: the basic truths of life.
9. agreement with a standard or original.
10. accuracy, as of position or adjustment.
11. Archaic. fidelity or constancy.
?Idiom
12. in truth, in reality; in fact; actually: In truth, moral decay hastened the decline of the Roman Empire.

number two. By definition, the truth is conformity.
number six. An accepted fact.

Is conformity not subjective? We conform to what we perceive is the norm, do we not? Therefore by its definition, the truth must be subjective.

You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Bloody ninja's...

Um. I don't everything is merely theories competing the best backed up via evidence is the "truth".

Who judges how well something backs it up? Would that not be subjective also?
A matter of.... perception?

 

[TheBarefootBandit]

Google.

define: Truth

copy and paste.

 

[FallenRainbows]

Truth is Axiomatic. Truth is NOT subjective. Truth is, by definition, objective and unchangeable. We say that truth is subjective because our interpretation of the truth, our only link to the truth, is subjective. And we pursue that truth with truths lesser siblings of probability, evidence, and confidence.

One small moment.

I want to quote Dictionary.com for a moment.

Truth
  [trooth]
?noun, plural truths  /truðz, truθs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [troothz, trooths] Show IPA .
1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth.
2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.
3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.
4. the state or character of being true.
5. actuality or actual existence.
6. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
7. honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
8. (often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience: the basic truths of life.
9. agreement with a standard or original.
10. accuracy, as of position or adjustment.
11. Archaic. fidelity or constancy.
?Idiom
12. in truth, in reality; in fact; actually: In truth, moral decay hastened the decline of the Roman Empire.

number two. By definition, the truth is conformity.
number six. An accepted fact.

Is conformity not subjective? We conform to what we perceive is the norm, do we not? Therefore by its definition, the truth must be subjective.

You want the truth? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Bloody ninja's...

Um. I don't everything is merely theories competing the best backed up via evidence is the "truth".

Who judges how well something backs it up? Would that not be subjective also?
A matter of.... perception?

Who judges how subjective something is if not your self? Truth is reality; but we as humans cannot understand reality without omniscience. And due to the fact we cannot achieve as such the most scientific backed is truth. Other will see "gods word" as truth, which in of it's self is subjective as such offers varying degrees of reality and thus unreliable to me.