So I Did A Little Research On Black Ops...

[Choppaduel]

...weapons in the game that technically shouldn't be in the game since they weren't invented yet. How could Treyarch screw up this badly?

I don't think historical accuracy was on the agenda in the design meetings. Besides even if they wanted to use period accurate weapons, the publisher wouldn't let them because those games don't sell as well.

 

[archvile93]

I'm pretty sure if I looked into it more, I'd find more weapons in the game that technically shouldn't be in the game since they weren't invented yet. How could Treyarch screw up this badly? Doe this effect how you view Blops/Treyarch? For me, I've lost all respect for the developer for this, even though I love Call of Duty 2: Big Red One and I thought that the Russian levels in WaW were interesting enough, but this is just too much for me.

People dont care about the historial accuracy of the guns in a fps game. I also have to state that just because a gun is in the multiplayer for the game doesnt mean its in the single player. I noticed alot of the guns you were using in single player wernt actually available in multi. They put in the multiplayer weapons just because they liked them. They have absolutely no relevence at all on the actual time period of the game.

Really the fact is most people dont know and even if they did they wouldnt give a shit. Does the fact that a gun shoudlnt exist in that time period distract from the entertainment value of a game. Its a means to an end and the gameplay woudlnt change at all just because they changed what the item in your hand looked like or was named. I mean its not like any of the events in the game actually happened anywhere near like how it portrayed them, or even during the time they said. Your complaining about realism in a game that is extremely obvious that they were not going for that in the first place.

Dont forget this is the game that has a zombie game mode, ZOMBIES that pretty much throws all realism out the door.

Honestly your complain makes about as much sense to me as people complaining that the bfg in doom isnt realistic.

I wouldn't exactly say Zombies through realism out the door...

Really, you've seen zombies in realife, or at least saw a news article saying they're real?

 

[The Bum]

The Meerkat,

DO WANT.


Yeah historical accuracy < Sales.

So there.

 

[gl1koz3]

CoD was never to be taken seriously... The earlier CoDs tried and succeeded to some degree. But now, it's all about guns'n'splosions.

 

[Corporal Yakob]

Wow, I recall reading that they were side-stepping this issue with the Steyer by saying that the Studies and Observation Group were a special force and get access to weaponary before they enter general service but I didn't realise the gun issue was this bad!

But then again this is the game where you shoot down a Russian space rocket with a hand held SAM launcher, storm an underwater Soviet DOOM fortress and wipe out the entire male population of Russia and North Vietnam whilst hi-jacking and expertly piloting enemy aircraft so realism isn't as critically important as it used to be in this series.

 

[bad_dog14]

Treyarch said that the black-ops nature of the game means you can use guns that weren't in commercial use back then, but it's really a bullshit excuse to minimize research and just any gun in there.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Call of Duty is mostly composed of idiots how will sit on the couch with drool lazily drizzling out their mouth, so the developers will do anything to make some money by adding in content that these people like. Seriously I think that if they didn't add in certain guns, the guns that were left would be crappy and boring and would have little killing power compared to more modern guns.

*twitch*

Funny, I always thought the rule was "If JFK, Nixon, and Castro are fighting off zombies in the Pentagon, historical accuracy comes second to fun and it shouldn't be judged on lack of said accuracy". Did the game ever claim to be accurate? No? Therefore, is it entirely possible that the game in which you slaughter thousands of enemy soldiers in pursuit of a fictional nerve gas took some liberties with history? Or possibly is even set in an alternate universe! Oh fuck no, it was somehow assumed despite all prior indications that this game would be the equivalent of a documentary and I was going to use it to study for my test on the Vietnam war, which I failed because I relied on a game where I break thousands of Russians out of a fictional prison with a shank.

And the thing is, these idiots will probably defend the appearance of those guns. Purely because the bullshit that runs through their minds goes a bit like this...

"OMGFUCK U LUL COD IS RITE AND U RONG NERDRAGEGEGEG"

Because CoD is the only game worth playing, apparentley.

Did CoD kill your family or something? Are the both of you really calling people drooling morons because they bought a popular video-game they can enjoy with their friends?

Someone's enjoyment of a product you dislike does not make them your mortal enemy, nor does it make them a moron. The game has sold seven million copies and I doubt every one of them went to a drooling moron.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

M-16 was in the game. That's all I care about.

 

[sooperman]

You're right. I mean, Treyarch did specify that the multiplayer, completely adjacent to the single player campaign, took place in the same time period. How lazy of Treyarch not to constrain themselves to a single time period.

Read a book.

 

[MaxwellEdison]

I wouldn't exactly say Zombies through realism out the door...

How about naming the game black ops, and during the first mission have you running down the street firing grenade launcher rounds at cop cars. My point was that you cant complain about realism in a game that at every single turn is doing multiple things to completely toss realism out the door. Hell why not start complaining that minecraft isnt realistic.

Minecraft not being based in historical events sorta gets rid of its responsibility to live up to them

 

[Ashcrexl]

you lost all respect for treyarch? because of this? you are unable to respect them for their excellent games? because of this? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[AugustFall]

How could Treyarch screw up this badly?

What? The storyline is fine for you, totally plausible but Treyarch dare put historically inaccurate guns and it's a screw up?

I hate this excuse, but it's a game and a damn good one at that. I would imagine they knew it was historically inaccurate but this is a game and they wanted it to be fun.

 

[Timmons]

Well they would be more restricted to the selection of weapons if they had to be from the 60's or before, there would be less diversity in your choice.
Anyway the multiplayer doesn't have a set time period like the campaign does.
Its basically in the sort of 'not seriously old but not modern either' era.

Would you rather play a game with less variety of weapons or not, just for the sake of historical accuracy?

 

[OiXerxes]

Treyarch said that the black-ops nature of the game means you can use guns that weren't in commercial use back then, but it's really a bullshit excuse to minimize research and just any gun in there.

At the same time, you have to realize that half the guns they put in the game were in there because we were familiar with them, so historical accuracy be damned, it's about making the game easily accessible to fans of the franchise.

 

[AugustFall]

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Minecraft not being based in historical events sorta gets rid of its responsibility to live up to them

Black Ops is based on historical events in the same way James Bond movies are.

 

[somacruz500]

>Expecting a Call of Duty game to be realistic

Well, see, there's your first problem.

Actually, I recall a similar occurrence going on in MGS3: Snake Eater. At one point Kojima (or some other high level individual in the development staff) admitted that most of the guns (and other gear) included in the game wouldn't have fit into the 1964 setting. They hand-waved it away by claiming that all of the offenders were actually super-secret military prototypes, allowing them to be in use years before the public became aware of them.

I would imagine Treyarch would hide behind a similar excuse for Cause of Death: Body Oder. That's nice, except yours is a game that's supposed to have some grounding in realism while the Magical Gene Story game has a guy who uses armor and guns made of BEES.

I can have a link to the article that had that statement about Snake Eater?
Also, never compare Metal Gear Solid to Call of Duty, plus, when did Metal Gear Solid or Kojima claim there was "realism" in the Metal Gear Solid series?

 

[C95J]

I don't care really, the weapons are cool, and it doesn't affect anything. Although it is a bit of a screw up on Treyarchs behalf...

 

[ThreeWords]

Couldn't care less.

Not a fan of the game, but this doesn't make me hate it any more.

I suppose to a gun nut this would be a big deal.

I'd go for this; I'm not a fan, but this probably wouldn't matter that much...

 

[Squarez]

Last night I was aiming to kill some time before Conan started, and I decided to look at what weapons appeared in Black Ops. What I saw confused me, as the last mission took place on February 26, 1968.

Pistols:
CZ 75 (1975)

Submachine Guns:
MAC-11 (1972)
Heckler & Koch MP5K Prototype (1976)
SITES Spectre M4 (1980s)
OTs-02 Kiparis (1976)

Assault Rifles
FAMAS F1 FELIN (base weapon 1978, in-game used variant late 1990s)
AKS-74U [mislabeled as AK-74u & misclassified as a SMG] (1979)
Galil ARM (base weapon 1972)
Steyr AUG (patented 1974, introduced into service 1977)
Colt Commando (early 1970s)
Heckler & Koch G11 (1980s)

Shotguns
Franchi SPAS-12 (1979)

Sniper Rifles
Accuracy International Arctic Warfare (1982)
Walther WA 2000 (1982)
Heckler & Koch PSG-1 (1970s)

Launchers
SA-14 Gremlin (1974)

I'm pretty sure if I looked into it more, I'd find more weapons in the game that technically shouldn't be in the game since they weren't invented yet. How could Treyarch screw up this badly? Doe this effect how you view Blops/Treyarch? For me, I've lost all respect for the developer for this, even though I love Call of Duty 2: Big Red One and I thought that the Russian levels in WaW were interesting enough, but this is just too much for me.

LOL k?

My main question to that is, why? Who cares? They're just guns.