So i just watched Batman V Superman...

[Austin Manning]

It's the best superhero movie I've seen since The Dark Knight and I'm including the entire Marvel canon in that category.

I love the cinematography, and the effects work. I also like how the film makers took risks in how it portrayed the characters. They humanized Superman in a great way which made his struggles compelling. I also really liked what they did with Batman.

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It inverts the dynamic of The Dark Knight Returns with a Batman who's lost site of his morals/purpose and is redeemed by Superman. Bruce Wayne is basically the secondary Antagonist of the story. Like I said, it was a risk and I fully expect the Internet to eat them alive over that.

While I know not everyone liked Wonder Woman, her presence made sense in the story

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Basically she was a part of human history until she witnessed the atrocities of World War 1. At that point she withdrew from society, and is only being drawn back into it because our increasingly connected world makes it impossible for her to hide. She ultimately decides to return on her own in the climax, because she can't let another atrocity happen when she could have prevented it.

it actually made me really stoked for the Wonder Woman movie even though I was completely ambivalent to it before this point. I want to see more of this character and hear about her adventures.

I didn't enjoy the lack of establishing shots though. It's not too bad most of the time, but when the film cuts to [spoiler alert]a potential bad future[/spoiler] and then never brings the scene up again, it feels very jarring. I'm interested in seeing the director's cut, if only to see more context added to some of these scenes.

Also I found it really funny how, whenever a fight changed locations the filmmakers got a character to say "That area's uninhabited!". You could tell they were sick of people missing the point in Man of Steel.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

You're putting a lot of high praise on this one, a lot of high praise.

Just saw it, I thought it was okay. That said, I thought Man of Steel was okay too, but this film definitely has its problems. Pacing is a big issue, you could shave about 15 to 20 mins of the run time I would feel, and the film would be better for it.

I liked that the last films consequences were at least addressed in this, but the story is kind of all over the place. They are definitely planting the seeds of future movies in this, and over all I think they did that too much.

I could say more, but it is late, and I don't want to accidentally spoil anything of the film for those that care

 

[Parasondox]

You will get some people challenge you on why you liked the movie but all I will say is just keep on enjoying it if you enjoyed it. If you changed your mind, that's perfectly normal too. There are so many films that I thought were great at first but with multiple viewings, I grew to hate it more and more. 28 Weeks Later for example and a bit of Aliens. I said a bit, stay calm internet.

Time to judge for myself next week. Only down is its half term and if this movie was 18+ I would be there with just adult not talking and having their parents be arseholes. I missed the intro and the beginning of Deadpool because a parent couldn't read that the movie was rated 15 and you can't bring your under 15 lil' shi... I mean "bundles of joys" along. They got pissy, held people up and all I wanted was popcorn and drink. Which I now dislike because popcorn does nothing for me anymore.

Watch it after half term? No can do. Have to work and that week is the only holiday they gave me. Fucking Ed BALLS!!

I am trying to be PG here. Well 12A. I am allowed one "FUCK", and I just wasted it.

 

[DefunctTheory]

I literally just walked in to the house from watching the movie, and I can't do anything but disagree with you. The movie was a colossal train wreck that bungled every conceivable thing it could get it's hands on - The script, the acting, the directing, the plot, the fighting, the concept, the subject matter, just everything. The only redeeming thing in the film was Affleck, who heroically tried his best to salvage what is the worst movie I've seen in theaters in half a decade.

And I say that as someone who really liked Man of Steel.

I'll get more in depth once the [SPOILERS INSIDE] thread gets started, but just... God, it was terrible. I'm going to watch JL: Gods and Monsters, and then watch the entirety of the Justice League series, just to wash this movie out. So bad my entire night may have been ruined by it.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I literally just walked in to the house from watching the movie, and I can't do anything but disagree with you. The movie was a colossal train wreck that bungled every conceivable thing it could get it's hands on - The script, the acting, the directing, the plot, the fighting, the concept, the subject matter, just everything. The only redeeming thing in the film was Affleck, who heroically tried his best to salvage what is the worst movie I've seen in theaters in half a decade.

And I say that as someone who really liked Man of Steel.

I'll get more in depth once the [SPOILERS INSIDE] thread gets started, but just... God, it was terrible. I'm going to watch JL: Gods and Monsters, and then watch the entirety of the Justice League series, just to wash this movie out. So bad my entire night may have been ruined by it.

How is the action worse than Man of Steel? The action is the only reason I am watching this movie.

 

[DefunctTheory]

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I literally just walked in to the house from watching the movie, and I can't do anything but disagree with you. The movie was a colossal train wreck that bungled every conceivable thing it could get it's hands on - The script, the acting, the directing, the plot, the fighting, the concept, the subject matter, just everything. The only redeeming thing in the film was Affleck, who heroically tried his best to salvage what is the worst movie I've seen in theaters in half a decade.

And I say that as someone who really liked Man of Steel.

I'll get more in depth once the [SPOILERS INSIDE] thread gets started, but just... God, it was terrible. I'm going to watch JL: Gods and Monsters, and then watch the entirety of the Justice League series, just to wash this movie out. So bad my entire night may have been ruined by it.

How is the action worse than Man of Steel? The action is the only reason I am watching this movie.

It's just particle effects hell. Batman has some good fights (The one in the trailers that looks like the Arkham games being the true joy), but any time a 'super' shows up, everything turns into a strobe light or a concrete particulate simulator.

And then there's its tendency to set up a fight, getting your blood pumping... and then you find out you have to pay the cut-away-scene tax, where you spend five minutes watching something else happens before you can have any fun. Made even worse when that five minutes is usually filler that could have been cut with no negative affect to the movie, often quite the opposite.

EDIT: Also...

Spoiler: Pacing Spoilers, No Story Spoilers

You're going to have to wait FOREVER for a good, honest to God fight. Man of Steel can be rightly said to have had a lot of junk up front, but at least stuff did happen early. Dawn of Justice spends a large part of the beginning just puttering around.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Spoiler

I literally just walked in to the house from watching the movie, and I can't do anything but disagree with you. The movie was a colossal train wreck that bungled every conceivable thing it could get it's hands on - The script, the acting, the directing, the plot, the fighting, the concept, the subject matter, just everything. The only redeeming thing in the film was Affleck, who heroically tried his best to salvage what is the worst movie I've seen in theaters in half a decade.

And I say that as someone who really liked Man of Steel.

I'll get more in depth once the [SPOILERS INSIDE] thread gets started, but just... God, it was terrible. I'm going to watch JL: Gods and Monsters, and then watch the entirety of the Justice League series, just to wash this movie out. So bad my entire night may have been ruined by it.

How is the action worse than Man of Steel? The action is the only reason I am watching this movie.

It's just particle effects hell. Batman has some good fights (The one in the trailers that looks like the Arkham games being the true joy), but any time a 'super' shows up, everything turns into a strobe light or a concrete particulate simulator.

And then there's its tendency to set up a fight, getting your blood pumping... and then you find out you have to pay the cut-away-scene tax, where you spend five minutes watching something else happens before you can have any fun. Made even worse when that five minutes is usually filler that could have been cut with no negative affect to the movie, often quite the opposite.

EDIT: Also...

Spoiler: Pacing Spoilers, No Story Spoilers

You're going to have to wait FOREVER for a good, honest to God fight. Man of Steel can be rightly said to have had a lot of junk up front, but at least stuff did happen early. Dawn of Justice spends a large part of the beginning just puttering around.

Spoil this for me.

Does Superman technically "win" the fight against Batman?

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Spoiler

I literally just walked in to the house from watching the movie, and I can't do anything but disagree with you. The movie was a colossal train wreck that bungled every conceivable thing it could get it's hands on - The script, the acting, the directing, the plot, the fighting, the concept, the subject matter, just everything. The only redeeming thing in the film was Affleck, who heroically tried his best to salvage what is the worst movie I've seen in theaters in half a decade.

And I say that as someone who really liked Man of Steel.

I'll get more in depth once the [SPOILERS INSIDE] thread gets started, but just... God, it was terrible. I'm going to watch JL: Gods and Monsters, and then watch the entirety of the Justice League series, just to wash this movie out. So bad my entire night may have been ruined by it.

How is the action worse than Man of Steel? The action is the only reason I am watching this movie.

It's just particle effects hell. Batman has some good fights (The one in the trailers that looks like the Arkham games being the true joy), but any time a 'super' shows up, everything turns into a strobe light or a concrete particulate simulator.

And then there's its tendency to set up a fight, getting your blood pumping... and then you find out you have to pay the cut-away-scene tax, where you spend five minutes watching something else happens before you can have any fun. Made even worse when that five minutes is usually filler that could have been cut with no negative affect to the movie, often quite the opposite.

EDIT: Also...

Spoiler: Pacing Spoilers, No Story Spoilers

You're going to have to wait FOREVER for a good, honest to God fight. Man of Steel can be rightly said to have had a lot of junk up front, but at least stuff did happen early. Dawn of Justice spends a large part of the beginning just puttering around.

Spoil this for me.

Does Superman technically "win" the fight against Batman?

Spoiler: Story Line Spoilers Inside

No. Batman beats him. Badly.

EDIT:

Spoiler: Additional Story Line Spoilers, Bat vs. Sup Context

Also, the fight barely makes sense. It's basically the fight from Dark Knight Returns, without the Bat suiting being quite as powerful, but in the context of the movie it makes no sense. Batman thinks Superman is a stone cold killer, but he still spends half the fight dicking around with stuff he knows wont work, without the knowledge that Superman doesn't actually want to kill him.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I kinda liked the movie, it's a 7/10. The ending (last 30') feels random and anticlimactic, but overall it's very entertaining.

 

[DrownedAmmet]

I literally just walked in to the house from watching the movie, and I can't do anything but disagree with you. The movie was a colossal train wreck that bungled every conceivable thing it could get it's hands on - The script, the acting, the directing, the plot, the fighting, the concept, the subject matter, just everything. The only redeeming thing in the film was Affleck, who heroically tried his best to salvage what is the worst movie I've seen in theaters in half a decade.

And I say that as someone who really liked Man of Steel.

I'll get more in depth once the [SPOILERS INSIDE] thread gets started, but just... God, it was terrible. I'm going to watch JL: Gods and Monsters, and then watch the entirety of the Justice League series, just to wash this movie out. So bad my entire night may have been ruined by it.

That is the one thing that is tempting me to see the film, I thought that was a perfect casting choice for a Frank Miller "Dark Knight Returns"Batman. Too bad they had to throw in all that other stuff

 

[Souplex]

Frank Miller "Dark Knight Returns"Batman.

And therein is the root of the problem. We need to be ashamed of all that Frank Miller and Dark Age comics crap, and retroactively bury them.
It and Death of Superman should not have been adapted.
The lesson to be learned from Marvel's cinematic universe is "Be yourself".
The lesson to be learned from DC's cinematic universe is "Don't be that asshole you were in the late '80s and early '90s, nobody likes that guy."

 

[Samechiel]

I think the only truly positive thing I can say about BvS is that Affleck actually made a good Batman and I wouldn't mind seeing him in his own Batfilm.

As long as Snyder isn't involved in any way. Holy shit.

 

[cathou]

ok, so i just watch the movie. i didnt like it. it was full of ploth holes and poor choice in scenario.

edit : ok, so apparently my clearly marked spoiler thread was merge into an unmarked spoilers thread, so i'll just hide that, and say spoilers ahead...

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so batman decided that superman is bad because 2 employe of his company is dead and one guy lost his legs ?

superman suddently get interrested in batman because... we dont know, and the past 20 years he didnt care at all ?

lex luthor ultimate goal to make batman fight superman was motivated by what exactly ?

and lex luthor is suppose to have manipulate batman to fight superman by sending him letters and checks that he only find almost at the end of the movie ?

if superman mom was named jessica, batman would have killed superman... really ? are you serious ?

if my mom have the same name than yours, it make me instantly you best buddy ?

what superman didnt just hand over the spear to wonder woman ?

and how come superman can survive the nuke in space, get down to earth, see wonder woman for the first time with batman, and right away ask if they found the spear even if there's no way that he could know they are looking for it. wich by the they dont have great chance to find it, because they all fight doomsday and nobody is actually looking for the damn spear...

 

[Austin Manning]

And therein is the root of the problem. We need to be ashamed of all that Frank Miller and Dark Age comics crap, and retroactively bury them.
It and Death of Superman should not have been adapted.
The lesson to be learned from Marvel's cinematic universe is "Be yourself".
The lesson to be learned from DC's cinematic universe is "Don't be that asshole you were in the late '80s and early '90s, nobody likes that guy."

I'm not sure about this. For one, it would mean getting rid of Watchmen and anything published under Vertigo. Two, the 80s and 90s are still a part of the characters' history and not all of the stories from that period are bad. What you're saying sounds more like "be only the parts of you that I personally like". Heck, the Civil War comic is one of Marvel's most reviled works but it that's not stopping them from adapting it into one of their biggest movies to date.

I think they should just give the rights back to Marvel and let them have control of it like they should've at the start. They know what they're doing and they'll probably be able to make better movies.

Uh, I watched Batman V Superman not Batman V Spiderman (I would totally watch that though). Marvel's never had the rights to the DC characters, unless you're referring to that one time where DC was considering letting Marvel take over writing duties for their comics.

 

[Hawki]

Uh, I watched Batman V Superman not Batman V Spiderman (I would totally watch that though). Marvel's never had the rights to the DC characters, unless you're referring to that one time where DC was considering letting Marvel take over writing duties for their comics.

It's a joke/meme going around, the idea that Marvel could do a better job with DC movies. It likely partly stems from people demanding that Sony give them permission to use Spider-Man in light of the AMSM films.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Shhhh, shhh. Its over now.

Its okay.

Seriously though, all of those questions do not have satisfactory answers.

Synder or Goyer or all of WB can go fuck themselves.

EDIT: So my post was merged with this thread, so I guess I should elaborate?

I have two gaming-related comparisons to make.

One: BvS is like Arkham Knight. Amazing action, piss poor writing.

Two: BvS is like Battlefront ala EA, because while its disappointing, it opens up an avenue to much better things. I can't wait for Affleck's solo and directed Batman movie.

 

[mduncan50]

And therein is the root of the problem. We need to be ashamed of all that Frank Miller and Dark Age comics crap, and retroactively bury them.
It and Death of Superman should not have been adapted.
The lesson to be learned from Marvel's cinematic universe is "Be yourself".
The lesson to be learned from DC's cinematic universe is "Don't be that asshole you were in the late '80s and early '90s, nobody likes that guy."

I'm not sure about this. For one, it would mean getting rid of Watchmen and anything published under Vertigo. Two, the 80s and 90s are still a part of the characters' history and not all of the stories from that period are bad. What you're saying sounds more like "be only the parts of you that I personally like". Heck, the Civil War comic is one of Marvel's most reviled works but it that's not stopping them from adapting it into one of their biggest movies to date.

I think they should just give the rights back to Marvel and let them have control of it like they should've at the start. They know what they're doing and they'll probably be able to make better movies.

Uh, I watched Batman V Superman not Batman V Spiderman (I would totally watch that though). Marvel's never had the rights to the DC characters, unless you're referring to that one time where DC was considering letting Marvel take over writing duties for their comics.

I think the bigger lesson is to stay true to your characters. The reason that Batman comes off the best in this movie (even though it enrages me the one major change they made. You know the one.), and that the Dark Knight trilogy worked so well is that Batman works as a dark character, and the writer of both those and this movie has several times stated his contempt for the brighter, cornier, and sillier side of comics. But what is the point of having Superman in a movie if he's just Batman with different clothes and powers? A lot of people like to say that Superman doesn't work in this day and age because he's too straight laced and goodie goodie so he's not interesting, but you know who else that would describe? Captain America. And he has a compelling period origin movie, a political thriller oft cited as the best Marvel movie, and a new movie coming out that has people squealing with joy on Youtube. (Seriously, if you're feeling down look up some of the react videos for the last trailer and enjoy grown adults slowly morph into 8 year olds over a two and a half minute period.)

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Eh. Its not a very good movie. Very confused, very inconsistent. And Luthor? OH MAN! He's the worst! Wrong actor, wrong script, wrong direction. Wrong everything. I agree with Moviebob when he said it feels like the Joker was cut from this movie and his lines were given to Lex. It really does feel like that.

Its ironic that the movie feels so completely cut and trimmed and focus tested, and yet entirely bloated and unwieldy with no focus or direction. Kinda like...a show horse? You know, bred from birth to be beautiful, groomed to perfection, trained and cared for. Just a truly gorgeous animal. The personification(horseification?) of the historically ingrained ideals of a horse.

But then it gets rabies.

So you have a beautiful, gorgeous, expensive, uncontrollable, angry, and ultimately dangerous to itself horse cock of a movie.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Eh. Its not a very good movie. Very confused, very inconsistent. And Luthor? OH MAN! He's the worst! Wrong actor, wrong script, wrong direction. Wrong everything. I agree with Moviebob when he said it feels like the Joker was cut from this movie and his lines were given to Lex. It really does feel like that.

Spoiler: Real Spoilers For Realsies

The best part of the movie, for me, was when Doomsday was winding back for the first punch. Because it looked like Alex Luthor was actually going to die, either removing the Luthors from the movies all together, or opening the movies up to a 'The REAL Lex Luthor is Actually Still Alive and Kicking' twist.

But no, Superman, the dumb bastard, saves him. Now we're stuck with Alexander, who seems to be more of a danger to pre-teen children then Superman. Who's dumb idea was it to play a Luthor like a borderline pedophile?