Snyder loves that desaturation filter. I wouldn't be surprised if the next few movies will just be a black screen, some sound effects and voice overs.AccursedTheory said:
So i just watched Batman V Superman...
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Are you crazy? There's too much contrast in a black and white film. There's a serious danger that we, the audience, would actually be able to make out the occasional outline of an actor.Samtemdo8 said:008Zulu said:
Or just make it comepltely Black and White.
The Artist and Raging Bull did it
And that's a danger DC Movies just can't allow.
They will have to make a decision sooner or later. Suicide Squad does take place in their shared movie universe. There will be crossover, because WB thought process has all the accuracy of a Soviet era scud. The trailers for SS, you can see everything clearly enough. Swapping from one visual style to another and back again will just give people headaches.AccursedTheory said:
Just saw it.
The whole thing is less a film and more a marketing tool to drum up interest in hypothetical future films and build a foundation for the franchise, more or less an extended trailer.
And I guess since I came away from it keen to see the upcoming solo Wonder Woman and Batfleck films it wholly succeeded in that regard.
I really liked how they took inspiration from the comics in purely visual ways incorporating designs and iconic images from the source material rather than specific story points or characters.
The film makers really did seem to go out of their way to change or twist established traits of the characters much the same as they did in Man of Steel. Some may call it disrespectful of the source material if they like but I rather see it as more the film makers not allowing themselves to being beholden to any established interpretation of these characters and making their version unique from all others rather than pandering to fanboys, I feel thats something to respect.
The whole thing is less a film and more a marketing tool to drum up interest in hypothetical future films and build a foundation for the franchise, more or less an extended trailer.
And I guess since I came away from it keen to see the upcoming solo Wonder Woman and Batfleck films it wholly succeeded in that regard.
I really liked how they took inspiration from the comics in purely visual ways incorporating designs and iconic images from the source material rather than specific story points or characters.
The film makers really did seem to go out of their way to change or twist established traits of the characters much the same as they did in Man of Steel. Some may call it disrespectful of the source material if they like but I rather see it as more the film makers not allowing themselves to being beholden to any established interpretation of these characters and making their version unique from all others rather than pandering to fanboys, I feel thats something to respect.
The movie felt like I was watching a movie on TV and on commercial breaks switched over to a different, albeit similar movie. There is a shell for a great movie in there, minus his Batman killing people with no remorse, Affleck was amazing, Cavill is still my favorite on screen Superman and Gadot, while I still stand by saying she doesn't necessarily look the part, did a nice job of bringing the character to the screen.
However Rosenberg's Lex, while shown to be capable and menacing, was just a pitiful representation of the character. Completely ignoring the way he looked, he just didn't come across as serious enough.
Also that was not Doomsday. They can call him Doomsday and make him look like Doomsday, but at no point did Doomsday do a lot of the things he did in the movie.
All in all, fuck WB for coming up with a movie that had so much potential but rushed it in an attempt to catch up with Marvel.
However Rosenberg's Lex, while shown to be capable and menacing, was just a pitiful representation of the character. Completely ignoring the way he looked, he just didn't come across as serious enough.
Also that was not Doomsday. They can call him Doomsday and make him look like Doomsday, but at no point did Doomsday do a lot of the things he did in the movie.
All in all, fuck WB for coming up with a movie that had so much potential but rushed it in an attempt to catch up with Marvel.
I saw it last night. It wasn't that bad, IMHO... I enjoyed it well enough. Certain parts were very cool, others not so much. It did feel truncated and I would be interested to find out whether some kind of directors-cut version could make it feel more cohesive.
For the most part I think the criticisms are fair, but the flaws didn't stop me from enjoying myself. I really like Batfleck too, despite generally not being a fan of his.
Those little video clips of the other Justice League members did make me cringe a little though...
For the most part I think the criticisms are fair, but the flaws didn't stop me from enjoying myself. I really like Batfleck too, despite generally not being a fan of his.
Those little video clips of the other Justice League members did make me cringe a little though...
They simply tried to do too much, it was a big fat boring mess. Although I did like Affleck's unhinged Batman.
They really should have dropped the whole Death of Superman story, should have been about Bats, Supes, Lex and Wonder Woman with no Doomsday at all. I woulda loved a movie with Lex being the puppet master pitting two thorns in his side against each other and then having Wonder Woman step in and be the one to end the fight between them (but not before a nice little punch up between the three). Although still couldn't have saved the film from miscasting so many of its characters, Cavill looks the part but is utterly charmless, Amy Adams is the worst Lois Lane I've ever seen she just doesn't seem at all competent or capable and I have no fucking idea what Eisenberg was up to, they shoulda stuck with Bryan Cranston for Lex
I noticed a lot of people saying that Lex Luthor was completely miscast, and I haven't seen the movie yet myself, however Eisenberg isn't Lex Luthor. I'm guessing it's never clarified in the movie, but he's actually playing the part of Lex's son. This was clarified I believe late last year at some point by the actor himself. If it's truly never said that he's actually Lex's son in the movie and not Lex himself...that's kind of a blunder on their part, a major one at that.
But that doesn't really make it better, because it just begs the question - Why ISN'T the good Luthor in? Alexander sure as shit talks him up - Half of his scenes are talking about how bitching his adopted Dad was, and the other half were spent proving how he's not even a pale shadow of him - He's just creepy as all hell. Zero charisma, zero power - The most he ever really does is make everyone feel really, really uncomfortable. He reminds me more of the special kid in my middle school class who got caught masterbating in the computer lab with 30 other people in the room then of a real nemesis.Nedoras said:
The only reason he is playing "Lex Jr" is because of the reaction to him being cast. What sense would it make to kill off Superman's greatest villain before they even meet? This interpretation of Lex is no more out of place than any of the other choices they've made.Nedoras said:
I liked it. Was it the greatest movie ever? No. I would rank it above Iron Man 2, the first Captain America, Ant Man, Superman 2-4, Superman Returns, and all non-Nolan Batman movies. Was it disjointed? Yes. Could it have been better? Yes. Does it deserve all the hate? Nope. It is a movie about people dressing up in funny costumes hitting things. I recall a review for Planet of the Apes where it was criticized for the lack of character development. It is a movie about talking Gorillas. It does not need character development. Granted, BvS could use a little more, but it is a solid B movie with a bunch of explosions. I will say I fully went into it knowing I was not seeing Room, Spotlight, or Brooklyn (all of which are great), but rather a movie where I can turn my brain off and have a little fun.
I didn't read much of the replies in this thresd, so I apologize if I am rehashing what others have already said.
I just saw it yesterday as well, and I thought it was alright. Ben Affleck was probably the best part of that movie and I look forward to him in the standalone Batman movie. I think he portrayed the older, gruffer version of Batman very well and his scenes were the best.
I think the problems with this movie lie with Zach Snyder more than anything. It feels like a lot of the movie was left on the cutting room floor. There was no real pacing to the movie and the usual parallels that you draw between Superman (the colourful hero of the people) vs. Batman (the dark, brooding anti-hero) were missing. Both of these characters in Zach Snyders version are murderous hypocrites who carve through faceless bad-guys with abandon. That is still the main drawback that these DC movies have, and will continue to have until they distance themselves from Snyder.
That won't happen though, since this movie will be a commercial success, WB will attribute that to Snyder, despite the fact that he is doing more harm to their image than good.
I remain cautiously optimistic for the future of these movies, since there is such potential to be great, but still can't quite get over the hump due to the producers, writers and directors not knowing a thing about the characters and their history.
I just saw it yesterday as well, and I thought it was alright. Ben Affleck was probably the best part of that movie and I look forward to him in the standalone Batman movie. I think he portrayed the older, gruffer version of Batman very well and his scenes were the best.
I think the problems with this movie lie with Zach Snyder more than anything. It feels like a lot of the movie was left on the cutting room floor. There was no real pacing to the movie and the usual parallels that you draw between Superman (the colourful hero of the people) vs. Batman (the dark, brooding anti-hero) were missing. Both of these characters in Zach Snyders version are murderous hypocrites who carve through faceless bad-guys with abandon. That is still the main drawback that these DC movies have, and will continue to have until they distance themselves from Snyder.
That won't happen though, since this movie will be a commercial success, WB will attribute that to Snyder, despite the fact that he is doing more harm to their image than good.
I remain cautiously optimistic for the future of these movies, since there is such potential to be great, but still can't quite get over the hump due to the producers, writers and directors not knowing a thing about the characters and their history.
I argue that Zack is not really the problem but David Goyer who screenwrote this and the Editor (David Brenner) doing his job badly.suikodenstorm said:
And honestly I really did not think Superman "kills" in this movies. Other then Doomsday he "kills" only one "Terrorist" leader which they don't even show the act being done at all. I did not see the guys dead body with Superman standing above him.
Batman was the one doing most of the killing here. He even admits it himself "we're criminals Alfred"
I don't read superhero comics, I hardly know anything about these characters. I watch superhero movies because ACTION! EXPLOSIONS!, and in this case, sometimes it was pretty hard to understand just what the hell was happening. I think Batfleck is a better Batman than Bale though. Also, I don't know how Lex Luthor (or his son, in this case) is like, but holy shit, Eisenberg is fucking annoying. Every scene he was in I just wish I could skip them. I always had the impression that Luthor (Superman's biggest villain, I guess?) was more serious. Eisenberg was like a Joker cosplayer or something.
Anyway, in a movie about Batman and Superman, the best superhero was Wonder Woman, and she's barely in it. The movie could have used her a lot more, instead of wasting time with bullshit dreams and origin stories. Surely everyone knows Batman's origin by now?
6/10, and I never want to see it again.
Anyway, in a movie about Batman and Superman, the best superhero was Wonder Woman, and she's barely in it. The movie could have used her a lot more, instead of wasting time with bullshit dreams and origin stories. Surely everyone knows Batman's origin by now?
6/10, and I never want to see it again.
Have to echo this sentiment. Please don't go see this expecting to make a decent evening out of a hilariously bad film. I turned to my girlfriend halfway through and said "I hate this" only to have her feel relieved she wasn't the only one. The shit plot just serves to butcher the characters and drive my interest in the DC cinematic universe further into the ground. I was enjoying Affleck as Batman untilAccursedTheory said:
He killed two men during the batmobile chase and then used the corpse filled wreck as a missile to kill more people. Don't even get me started on his gunning down down of those guys in the machine gun trucks or him shooting a gas tank with an LMG to immolate the bad guy holding Martha hostage
I lowered my expectations for this film despite being a diehard Batman fan because I was afraid of getting hyped and leaving dissappointed. Boy did I underestimate DC's and Snyder's ability to fuck this up. The only time I had any fun was when Wonder Woman finally shows up and her (legitimately) bad bass theme song started up. There was finally a fucking hero on screen. Unfortunately we had to get there by going through the clumsy as fuck intro to the other Justice League members. I've never been more embarrassed for a movie than when that drive got opened.
I'm glad some people liked the film but holy crap I found it awful. It had some scenes I thought were fun and interesting but good lord did the problems ever pile up, and fast!
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Fuck me the movie is dumb.
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What the hell was that Africa stuff? The villager character comes and talks about her village being decimated, but by who and when and how? All we see there is the compound getting wrecked. Secondly, all the bodies were shot full of bullets. How the hell does anyone look at a place where people got shot up and go, "Yeah, Superman, the invulnerable guy with heat vision shot these people." What? WHAT?! How!?
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The fuck is Luthor's motivation for killing supes anyway? Just for the fuck of it? He clearly knows Darkseid is coming, so it's not because he wants to protect the Earth. It's not like Supes has done anything to ruin any of his plans. And why does he pick an uncontrollable monster to fight him, presuming Doomsday beats Supes, who the fuck beats Doomsday? Nothing in Luthor's motivations or actions make any sense whatsoever!
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Why the hell does Supes want to stop Bats in the first place? Sure they play up the whole, "Bats is a dangerous vigilante" angle, but Supes has to be the least self aware fucktard ever if that's his motivation for confronting him, considering Supes is a dangerous vigilante himself!
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Why would ANYONE blame Supes for the explosion at the state house? The invulnerable guy who shoots lazer eyes at people needs a bomb and a conspiracy plot to murder people? How the hell does that make any sense at all? I get that people can be irrational, especially after a tragedy but it makes no sense whatsoever.
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I can see why Bats thinks Supes is a danger to humanity but he goes from, "I"m gonna kill this alien fuck," to "I'm your son's friend." in like, 3 minutes, all because Supes adopted mom has the same name as his own. Herp a dumb.
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They wasted twenty minutes of my time with a funeral scene that we all knew was pointless! I hate that shit with a passion. Don't try and make me all sad with a death that is blatantly, obviously not going to stand! And that shit dragged its enormous ass too. Fuck me what pointlessness.
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If Bats has no problem shooting people with guns, why the fuck is he ever throwing batarangs at anyone? If he knows branding people gets them killed and has no trouble doing the killing himself, the whole character becomes nonsensical. He's just Punisher at that point, Punisher who randomly decides to only shoot some people some of the time, because reasons lol.
Fuck me the movie is dumb.