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OT: The best solution is probably to quarantine the infected and steralize them. That way they can live out their lives and when they die the disease dies. There's really no flaws with it, I mean it sounds inhumane but letting the virus live on and make more people suffer is worse.
I blame the stupidity of humanity for this. There is no reason,for the virus to continue to spread at the rate it is spreading,time should be the only factor determining the erradication of HIV/Aids.Yet it isn't, people (most unknowingly ) are still spreading it , due to their carelessness and ignorance.
This will probably get me a warning or whatever, but you're really the stupid one here aren't you? First of all, HIV and AIDS doesn't exist only within humans. It is around the entire world in any animal capable of carrying it (read: all).
Second of all, even if if everything with HIV/AIDS died, that's still no guarantee that it would be extinguished. There are tons of diseases which are thought to be long extinct and eliminated but are still capable of returning.
Finally, the people who know of the presence of HIV and AIDS and have the best capabilities of preventing AREN'T THE ONES SPREADING IT. True, a small percentage of people in civilized countries have HIV/AIDS but for the most part, it's confined and those people aren't spreading it. It's the UNCIVILIZED COUNTRIES where the disease is in such high quantity and the people aren't educated that HIV/AIDS is a problem.
Perhaps you should lose some of your own ignorance before accusing other of it.
Firstly , animals don't carry the same virus that affects humans. Animals can have HIV/aids but cannot give it to humans.
Secondly, aids cannot be developped, it has to be passed on by another person , if everyone who had is dead (im not saying kill them ) the chances of it comig back are slim to none , especially because it's transmissible only by blood , seman and vaginal fluid.
Finally, there are cases ( a lot even ) of hiv/ aids in first world countries , if what you say was true then AIDS should be exclusive to third world countries , which it's not. It just sprends quicker in third world countries due to lack of education , lack of proper prevention methods and lack of people caring . But it is not exclusive to these "uncivilised" countries , if it was people would care a lot less.
Also , people in "civilized" countries have methodes to prevent it from spreading, yet Kit still does, why is this? Because of ignorance and stupidity and carelessness,simple as that . Theres no reason for the virus to spread in say North america .
EDIT: also note , a good way to contract AIDS is also by sharing syringes for drug use ( although i'm not sure if this is still comon practice i sure hope not). Another reason it could get passed by in "civilized" regions.
Even IF that happened, there would, I'm sure, still be samples of the disease stored in laboritories all over the world. But either way, let's try to have that not happen.
why is it every time i go on these threads, someone has created a topic or comment that would actually hint (unintentionally and intentionally both) that we need to massacre or comit genocide on a group of people?
why is it every time i go on these threads, someone has created a topic or comment that would actually hint (unintentionally and intentionally both) that we need to massacre or comit genocide on a group of people?
Never said anything of the like , i said TIME would erraticate it. I also said at the end of my original post, that i would not condone a purging.
aashell13 said:
so you propose we do what? kill everyone who tests positive?
--you have aids. boom headshot.--
ridiculous.
We have effective treatments, we'll find a cure and vaccine eventually. In the meantime, it's not a terribly difficult virus to avoid catching.
Okay, I know this is an emotional moment for all of us. I know that. But let's not make snap judgements, please. This is clearly an important part of human society we're dealing with and I don't think that you or I, or *anybody*, has the right to arbitrarily exterminate them.
a)Eventually everyone with HIV/Aids will die, and so will the virus and it will never affect the human race again.
b)The Virus will spread more and more until one day (in the far future ) the majority of the earths population is afflicted with HIV/Aids, and it won't ever cease to exist unless a cure is found.
c)A cure is found, and the virus is erraticated.
A very (VERY) small percent of the population is immune to the HIV virus. This has been proven - a man got the virus, but his immune system fought it off and he is now HIV free. And, in fact, his blood has been used to cure someone else with AIDS (there was a thread about this a few months ago with links - search it).
Anyway, the point being that individuals who are immune to the virus could be temporary carriers.
Likewise, if lots of people got it, then Evolution would eventually make immunity the norm (because only the immune would survive to breed).
Also, just because a virus is cured doesn't mean it will be eradicated. Look at polio. It's been wiped out in the western world, but elsewhere it is still a problem. Just because some parts of the world have a cure doesn't mean that other parts will receive it.
Finally, viruses are prone to mutation. This is why we still have Rhino Virus (aka the common cold) - it keeps mutating, changing slightly. On a long enough timeline, HIV will mutate into something else.
I believe in Eugenics and I think that purging HIV-positive humans is sick.
A very good idea, to be honest. But still sick.
LarenzoAOG said:
AIDS didn't just pop up, lots of scientists think AIDS was originally spread to humans from a rhesus monkey or something, so even if everyone with AIDS dies it won't just go away.
I hate to be a downer but.. uh.. since HIV can be transmitted through blood, there's the problem of, uhm.. well... an entire family of blood-sucking insect species prevalent in every single corner of the globe. And then some.
This much is obvious.If everyone that is attained with HIV/Aids dies,it would no longer exist.Though is way the virus(?) came to be is unknown (although there are theories), what is known is that it cannot developpe on it's own, it can only be transmitted through contact with blood, sperm or vaginal fluid.This means one of three things:
a)Eventually everyone with HIV/Aids will die, and so will the virus and it will never affect the human race again.
b)The Virus will spread more and more until one day (in the far future ) the majority of the earths population is afflicted with HIV/Aids, and it won't ever cease to exist unless a cure is found.
c)A cure is found, and the virus is erraticated.
Now out of the three possibilities i have listed here, option A is the most practical, C is the most likely and B is the least likely.
What's my point? In this day and age, with all the technology and knowledge we have, there is no reason for this virus to be spreading.We all know that we should practice safe sex to protect from STDs.We all know that we should get tested, when we change partners to reduce the chance of getting or spreading an STD.Therefor in theory,the virus should disappear ( or should have already disapeared) on it's own. Yet it isn't. It's still here and it's spreading as fast as ever.
I blame the stupidity of humanity for this. There is no reason,for the virus to continue to spread at the rate it is spreading,time should be the only factor determining the erradication of HIV/Aids.Yet it isn't, people (most unknowingly ) are still spreading it , due to their carelessness and ignorance. I do understand that some children are born with the virus due to their parents having it and giving it to them,which is unfortunate, but even though this is true,it is the responsibility of the people with the virus to stop it's spread, instead of waiting for a cure.
Another possibility is a purging ( round up and kill everyone that is HIV positive).But this is completly inhumane and immoral and i could never condone this. Even though it might argubly be whats best for the future of the human race, to erradicate the virus.
TL;DR: Do you think we should still spend time and resources to cure the HIV/Aids virus? When time should be the obvious way to erraticate it? By preventing the spread of the virus, the virus will die on it's own , with the last person that is infected.But Knowledge and responsibility is the main key to this method. Do you think it is even possible that this method would work?
Firstly, viruses can survive unbelievably long periods of time without a host.
2. Not all methods of propagation can realistically be controlled for.
3. Many viruses have their origins in cross-species contamination. Bird flu is called bird flu because it was a virus that originally only infected birds, yet somehow it jumped species and now infects humans.
This is one of the primary candidates for where aids came from as well.
And... If it happened once, what's to stop it happening again? Unless you suggest tracking down and killing every single animal capable of catching a virus with any kind of similarities to aids or HIV.
(Which off-hand includes cats, and most species of great apes.)
Viruses are very difficult to get rid of. This is nothing new. We've managed to eliminate one or two of them completely, but far more resist most attempts to do so.
And even then, the only reason it was possible was mass vaccination. That means you need a vaccine that effectively stops people from getting aids/HIV in the first place.
Without it, the chances of actually eliminating a virus are very remote.
The main thing that sets aids apart is it's effects. Though ironically considering the kinds of treatments now in existence it isn't even all that lethal as far as viruses go.
It's just that most other viruses that have fatal effects will kill you in a few weeks or less, and if you survive that you'll usually be alright.
Aids causes the immune system to gradually fail. In reality it's never really aids that kills you, but some other, much more common virus or bacterial infection, which your body just can't fight off anymore due to what HIV has done to your immune system.
In any event, it's really naive to think you can eliminate aids in the way you suggest. It's never been managed before, and there's no reason to suggest you could control the behaviour of enough people on the planet to make it happen.
Especially since you can't tell if someone has HIV that easily, and they might not even know until they've spread it around a bit...
Aww , that's cute , your trying to discredit me with something as simple minded as stopping people from having sex. I'd like you to point out the part of the original post implying that. Also just so you go to bed less ignorant tonight , i'll tell you a little secret : you don't have to have sex to contract AIDS.
-|- said:
Okay, I know this is an emotional moment for all of us. I know that. But let's not make snap judgements, please. This is clearly an important part of human society we're dealing with and I don't think that you or I, or *anybody*, has the right to arbitrarily exterminate them.
Again , for the ump-teenth time , never said anything about exterminating anyone , you would know this if you read the original post. I actually condemn the idea of genocide.
This makes no sense. It came from somewhere. Wherever it came from, it could come from there again. Especially given that many of the theories involve contraction from another species, which means it's somewhat likely that it still exists in certain populations of the relevant species.
krazykidd said:
What's my point? In this day and age, with all the technology and knowledge we have, there is no reason for this virus to be spreading.We all know that we should practice safe sex to protect from STDs.We all know that we should get tested, when we change partners to reduce the chance of getting or spreading an STD.Therefor in theory,the virus should disappear ( or should have already disapeared) on it's own. Yet it isn't. It's still here and it's spreading as fast as ever.
We don't all know this. We have huge areas where this is not at all known, where safe sex is not possible. This also discounts the possibility of rape, accidental exposure to infected blood, etc. You're making a huge assumption that the rest of the world has the same knowledge and resources as the part you're in.
krazykidd said:
TL;DR: Do you think we should still spend time and resources to cure the HIV/Aids virus? When time should be the obvious way to erraticate it? By preventing the spread of the virus, the virus will die on it's own , with the last person that is infected.But Knowledge and responsibility is the main key to this method. Do you think it is even possible that this method would work?
Again, you're arguing from a very myopic, priveleged point of view.
More importantly, the practical view takes into account people's behavior. Notice how, despite how obvious and logical a solution this is, people still don't do it? You can hold out some sort of strangely optimistic hope that they'll suddenly stop behaving this way, or you can accept it and solve the damn problem.
You're also assuming that the time and resources put into the cure aren't useful for other reasons. HIV research has already lead to tremendous advances in science and medicine.
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