So, it looks like the L4D2 boycott will die

[Hexenwolf]

I searched the forums but didn't find anything about, so sorry if I missed it.

There's going to be more DLC for the original L4D, which you can read about <a href=http://www.destructoid.com/exclusive-preview-left-4-dead-crash-course-campaign-142570.phtml>here.

It's a new campaign linking No Mercy to Death Toll. It is discovered that the helicopter pilot is infected, so Zoey freaks out and shoots him, causing the rest of the cast blame her for the helicopter crash. There will be new dialog recorded by the original cast.

The campaign is playable in standard campaign and survival mode, but is specifically made for versus mode. To that end, it's only 2 maps long, for a shorter more intense competition, as most people felt that the standard campaigns were too long and were leaving halfway through.

The gameplay is meant to pack in a lot more competition into a shorter time, so it's possible to get new weapons much earlier, but it's also possible to get swarmed very easily. There are a couple new mechanics included, but unnamed for spoiler purposes.

So, what I want to know is how the L4D2 boycott people feel about this, seeing as their entire argument is based on Valve not supporting the original Left 4 Dead. Valve has said the whole time that they would continue supporting it, and this is pretty definitive proof so... will the boycott just disappear, or what?

 

[Cliff_m85]

I'll definitely buy L4D2.....after Half Life 2 Episode 3 comes out.

 

[Deleted]

Its because she's a girl. Yep, give a girl a gun and prepare to die in a zombie apocalypse.

All joking aside, Valve fans are the whiniest whiners ever, second only to Super Smash Bros fans. I should know I'm fans of both games but really the developers don't have a 'moral obligation' or a 'promise' to carry out, they can do whatever the hell they want because its, just a game. I don't really understand why they're so riled up about one game anyways, the only type of gamer I hate more than the 'hey guys can you hear me' is the "I only play this game cause its the bestest".

/rant

 

[Toastngravy]

560 isn't too much...but still not worth it considering L4D 2 is coming out later in the year making this DLC rather invalid.

I guess if it comes out late this month or mid Sept. I may change my mind. Until there is a release date it seems rather useless to finally plop one out now.

 

[Hexenwolf]

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I agree with what you're saying but, I would like to point out that they did actually promise to release more content. However, that doesn't make the whiners any less stupid, as they just out-of-hand refused to trust Valve, which out of all the companies is the least likely to flake on a promise.

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Well, I personally will buy both, because they're not exactly the same game, at least from the looks of L4D2 previews, and I still play the original. I get where you're coming from though and think a lot of people will agree with you.

 

[savandicus]

Personally i think the fans had a very good reaason for being abit miffed when they saw how little play time l4d actually had, you could easily complete the campains in 3/4 hours which was abit of a joke. However I side with valve entirely, they didnt like l4d so wanted to change alot of things and make the concept alot better with l4d2.

 

[lostclause]

Hooray, another group moaning about something that's not yet released dies. Now just for the natal people to go...
In all seriousness, I'm glad there's less L4D 2 hating. Give the game a chance before you whine about it.

 

[megapenguinx]

It won't disappear because they'll keep picking at it no matter what. They've made a bold move and even if Valve fulfilled all of their demands, they would still boycott so as not to make asses of themselves. Still it's good to see Valve keeping their word on the continued support of L4D.

 

[Froobyx]

I don't know if I'd be willing to spend money to get the points in the first place, when I'm not even taking my Xbox with me to uni or play online with it there.

Though it'd be interesting to see what the new levels like

 

[Hexenwolf]

It won't disappear because they'll keep picking at it no matter what. They've made a bold move and even if Valve fulfilled all of their demands, they would still boycott so as not to make asses of themselves. Still it's good to see Valve keeping their word on the continued support of L4D.

If they go ahead with a boycott after their demands are met, then they're making HUGE asses of themselves. Can you imagine if the bus boycott had continued after the buses were desegregated? ... Yea, I just compared civil rights to video games, I went there!

Stupidity never truly dies out.

It just goes underground and waits for an opportunity to strike.

Like cancer.
Or the Gay Agenda.

(You can see the hatred in their eyes!)
<color=white>If you can't tell it's a joke, don't quote me complaining. You are an idiot.

I never knew hatred was sparkle colored.

Also, now that you've posted, this thread just became a "real" thread, thank you.

 

[FightThePower]

Nah, I'm sure the boycott will keep going. There will always be idiots.

 

[AMCization]

Nah, I'm sure the boycott will keep going. There will always be idiots.

Haha "Idiots never change"

 

[HEXYDEZiMAL]

It seems you've indulged in a bit of misunderstanding here, so I'll go ahead and help you out.

The L4D2 boycott is negatively depicted almost every time it's mentioned. None of what was asked was demanded.

We are requesting Valve honor what they said. We didn't say it, Valve did.

Gabe Newell himself said:
"So we'll do the same thing with Left 4 Dead where we'll have the initial release and then we'll release more movies, more characters, more weapons, unlockables, achievements, because that's the way you continue to grow a community over time."

Along with several other representatives of the company, who reinforced the same. None of what Newell or the others said has been received as of this post, nine months or so later. In fact, it has been confirmed several times that they started working on L4D2 right about when L4D1 dropped, which shows a total lack of planned commitment right from the start.


Valve said they'd drop the SDK soon after release. We still only have a beta version of that, and its capabilities -- as any campaign maker for L4D will tell you -- are crippled. That is unacceptable, in itself.


Then there's the bugs. As seen here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=751344

There's an incredible list of bugs for Left 4 Dead, more than a few of which can be exploited. I was here for release, and this game still has glaring problems even now. I won't be buying L4D2 simply based on that topic, there. That's because I don't sink more money into companies that can't be bothered to patch up a multiplayer game which is already being used for official tournaments where money is at stake.


In conclusion, the release of survival levels (that really only made official what you could do with console commands) and a two level campaign do not fulfill anything they have said, nor what is being requested.

You really don't have to look very far for how the boycott felt about it.

Agent of Chaos stated:

"It?s a new campaign. While it?s a good thing they are headed in right direction, I certainly hope it isn?t the only DLC they plan on developing for original L4D. Only two chapters? Come on now. Are your employees on vacation? Is that good enough for our 8 months of patience? I?m sorry, but it?s a really bad attempt to get away with your past promises.

In this though, they totally ignore what the game really needs, which is something to add replay value. Bug fixes, Matchmaking fixes and Special Infected have long topped the community's want list. They could produce a complete campaign and it still would not add much replay value to a game requiring many bug and balancing fixes. By not adding anything in the way of meaningful content, they still hope to interest us in buying L4D2.

Again, we never said that we doubt Crash Course?s quality. It?s just the least important content update this game NEEDS."


Where you get off thinking this is some kind of group of spoiled kids or stupid people, it's nothing of the sort. Most of us are here -- myself included -- to hold Valve accountable. There's some kind of ridiculous disdain for people who hold others accountable these days, and that's a tragic turn for civilization in general. But, I digress -- that's another topic.

If you need any more evidence that Valve is slacking hard, ask them where the hell HL2: Episode 3 went.

And let me remind you, this is a multi-million dollar corporation.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Stupidity never truly dies out.

It just goes underground and waits for an opportunity to strike.

Like cancer.
Or the Gay Agenda.

(You can see the hatred in their eyes!)
<color=white>If you can't tell it's a joke, don't quote me complaining. You are an idiot.

I object vehemently to your characterization of me and my right-wing friends! Now excuse us while we go shoot stuff wildly in order to properly exercise our Constitutional Rights. No, Billy! Don't wing the police officer until AFTER we get another man in the White House!

I can honestly say I have no feeling whatsoever towards the boycott. Wait till the game comes out, THEN we'll see who's serious about not playing L4D2 and who just likes to gripe.

 

[The_Prophet]

I searched the forums but didn't find anything about, so sorry if I missed it.

There's going to be more DLC for the original L4D, which you can read about <a href=http://www.destructoid.com/exclusive-preview-left-4-dead-crash-course-campaign-142570.phtml>here.

It's a new campaign linking No Mercy to Death Toll. It is discovered that the helicopter pilot is infected, so Zoey freaks out and shoots him, causing the rest of the cast blame her for the helicopter crash. There will be new dialog recorded by the original cast.

That was originally intended, but was removed.

 

[Dr Ampersand]

Sounds awesome and I'm curious if you'll start out with <100 health since you've crashed and what not. I also wonder if they'll eventually link all of the campaigns together. Then you could have an incredibly long marathon of L4D!

 

[HEXYDEZiMAL]

I can honestly say I have no feeling whatsoever towards the boycott. Wait till the game comes out, THEN we'll see who's serious about not playing L4D2 and who just likes to gripe.

I'm as serious as a heart attack about not buying it. To give an analogy as to how L4D1 has turned out, it's like buying a six of beer, finding out that beer is only in four bottles after being promised a full six, and then Valve not only giving you only a few sips of the additional beer they promised you as incentive to buy it, but half the bottle opener for the original bottles you have over half a year later. Not to mention that your former beer isn't actually beer at all, but water -- the bottle filler had matchmaking problems.

I'm not Valve's battered wife, and last I checked this isn't a feudalistic country, so I owe King Valve no loyalties. If you can take that kind of crap and shell out money for more, more power to you. I value my dollar more than that.

 

[T3h Camp3r T3rr0r1st]

I don't care, I'm a PC user and we're getting it for free anyway! /evil laugh!

 

[Christemo]

I don't care, I'm a PC user and we're getting it for free anyway! /evil laugh!

*laughs with you* MWAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUA!