So,L4D2.

[Katana314]

Lack of expandibility indicates design flaws. If every inch of your level requires all sorts of Director Nodes and lighting hints and etcetera etcetera, it means you're making an extremely conrolled and quote unquote "cinematic" experience. The whole point of the AI director is that things are more dynamic on their own, so the need for maps to be so utterly complex baffles me. Either way, it's not an excuse. Plus, they already said they would release new content for L4D, such as new maps, monsters and weapons. So don't respond to an earlier promise with "Well ALL OF A SUDDEN it's not feasible."

 

[Ninja Tank]

i feel special i got it for $40 and it is worth the $40 i spent on it

 

[CanOfPop]

eah, cuz TF2 has a story, interactive maps, ridiculous textures, amazing voice acting, and the AI director.

I've grown up with the old-school games, so DLC to me is basically the nicest thing I've ever seen a gaming company do...ever. They're basically giving out free handouts because...? Because they think WE WOULD ENJOY THEM. It's the biggest birthday gift in the world, with no strings attached!

So when people start complaining about NOT getting DLC?...the game's still perfectly good. That's why people bought it. Louis, Zoey, Bill, and Francis are still being played, and more freebies will be out for them. Is it so wrong for Valve to want to try something that is new/differet enough to warrant a new project? They put in the hard work, then you complain about not getting it for free.

Welcome to the real world. I mean, come ON.

The ironic part is most of the people complaining about L4D2 happily bought MW2.

Maybe the reason they are angry about paying for L4D2 is because they dropped $60 on MW2?


Gabe Newell hardly speaks accurately for valve, katana, which is funny because he's the CEO. And you've got crash course and survival mode, that's more free stuff than any other company has given me.

 

[Bofus Teefus]

I will not disagree with those of us who consider it an overpriced DLC, but I got it, and am loving it so far. Whatever makes us happy, right?

 

[Chicago Ted]

I'll be honest, I still haven't played it. I got L4D2, Assassin's Creed 2, and Modern Warfare 2 all on the same day and it has been a busy week resulting in me playing a bit of Modern Warfare and as much Assassin's Creed as I could possibly play.

 

[Hiphophippo]

New weapons, three new special infected, four new survivors, 5 new campaigns, 2 new game modes(with maps for all...) is hardly free DLC.

YES. [http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/] IT. [http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/] FREAKING. [http://steamgames.com/tf2/pyro/] IS. [http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper_vs_spy/day01_english.htm]

It's harder to design maps for L4D than TF2. In my opinion at least.

Just because TF2 has gotten amazing DLC doesn't mean every game should be set to it's standards.

L4D2 is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME THAN L4D2.

wait

 

[Poomanchu745]

OK if MW2 warrants a sequel then L4D2 warrants a sequel NO DOUBT. I mean L4D2 adds a lot more new features while MW2 really doesnt and people wonder if L4D2 should be a sequel? Come on!

 

[Dys]

Played it for the first time today, and it definately is an improvement on the first, though I was rather disapointed by the first so that isn't saying much.

The new weapons/maps is a big thing, but the new infected don't really seem like that big of a deal, they don't really change gameplay and it doesn't really do much that couldn't be done in the first game (the only significant gameplay change is the melee weapons, and tbh I don't see the point. I guess the guns all feel weak/underpowered, but they are still unnecissary).

I remember when this kind of content was called an 'expansion pack' and cost half of what a full release did (if that, $30 or $40 au when new release titles cost $100), but I guess all devs have become more greedy since I was a child.

 

[Evilbunny]

I'll be honest, I still haven't played it. I got L4D2, Assassin's Creed 2, and Modern Warfare 2 all on the same day and it has been a busy week resulting in me playing a bit of Modern Warfare and as much Assassin's Creed as I could possibly play.

That's pretty ironic considering your name. I'd think left 4 dead 2 would be your number 1 priority.

 

[Chicago Ted]

I'll be honest, I still haven't played it. I got L4D2, Assassin's Creed 2, and Modern Warfare 2 all on the same day and it has been a busy week resulting in me playing a bit of Modern Warfare and as much Assassin's Creed as I could possibly play.

That's pretty ironic considering your name. I'd think left 4 dead 2 would be your number 1 priority.

Ya, but I am lacking friends to play it with right now. Without others it would kinda feel hollow.

 

[fix-the-spade]

New weapons, three new special infected, four new survivors, 5 new campaigns, 2 new game modes(with maps for all...) is hardly free DLC.

YES. [http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/] IT. [http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/] FREAKING. [http://steamgames.com/tf2/pyro/] IS. [http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper_vs_spy/day01_english.htm]

Quite a bit of the extra TF2 content is user generated, most of the maps have been customs getting made official. As for DLC, L4D maps are much harder to make, it's more like creating and scripting single player levels than multiplayer maps.
There's a lot more complication involved and in the case of L4D2 there's a lot of technical changes to make it work. Despite the feel and using Source it's getting very close to being a completely different game engine in 2 when compared to 1.

Admittedly from a players perspective all that crap under the hood may as well not exist, but it does add up when you take in the things like rolling crescendo events, the director's extra controls, the weather and physical effects of, the extra SI, melee weapons and the new damage models.

Also the matchmaking and serverbrowser have been massively improved. It drops me into games in about 30 seconds now where as the old one was hopeless and took minutes if it could find the game at all. Maybe they'll apply that retro to L4D1.

There is enough in there to justify a sequel, the pricing here was fine (£25, so it cost as much Cod 4's map packs) so can't complain. Compared to the crap other devs drop as sequels it's pretty damn good.

 

[LewsTherin]

I quite enjoyed it, and thought it was quality enough to warrant a purchase.

 

[PauL o_O]

Was NOT worth the money. I didn't even have fun playing it.
I'll stick to Borderlands and Mw2.

 

[Superior Mind]

It would be incredibly wrong to demand this as a low-price or free downloadable add-on, mostly because it improves on Left 4 Dead in many many ways. Enough to make it a must-buy? That kind of depends if you're into the subject matter and enjoyed the gameplay in Left 4 Dead because it's the same kind of stuff it's just a lot better, (which unfortunately casts a somewhat damning light on some of the original's shortcomings.) Certainly it's worth the price of a full game anyway content-wise.

 

[Katana314]

Also the matchmaking and serverbrowser have been massively improved. It drops me into games in about 30 seconds now where as the old one was hopeless and took minutes if it could find the game at all.

They SERIOUSLY changed that without putting it in Left 4 Dead 1?

I'm sorry, but that is just lower than low. Releasing a buggy, non-working system, then releasing the "new version" that actually WORKS for a full price tag is something not even Adobe does. And they can be kinda greedy.

I don't care what anyone says. I got a million flaming responses in my mind to this and I'm not taking anything but a straight out apology from Valve. And THEN a patch to the original.

 

[SithLibrarian]

I like it a lot because for the most part, if feels like a totally different game. It feels a lot more strategic and I look forward to playing with friends this weekend so I won't have to deal with the retardedness of the Bots.

 

[Evilbunny]

I'll be honest, I still haven't played it. I got L4D2, Assassin's Creed 2, and Modern Warfare 2 all on the same day and it has been a busy week resulting in me playing a bit of Modern Warfare and as much Assassin's Creed as I could possibly play.

That's pretty ironic considering your name. I'd think left 4 dead 2 would be your number 1 priority.

Ya, but I am lacking friends to play it with right now. Without others it would kinda feel hollow.

I've had a similar problem lately. Everyone's playing modern warfare 2 and I rarely get a good game together. Soon, though. Soon everyone will start to switch over.

 

[EvilScott]

I don't care what anyone says. I got a million flaming responses in my mind to this and I'm not taking anything but a straight out apology from Valve. And THEN a patch to the original.

If you don't care what anyone says why are you reading/posting on an interweb forum?

Seriously, L4D2 is fun and its obvious you haven't given it a try. Your choice to be stubborn doesn't take away from those of us who did grab L4D2 if you don't play it though, so have fun playing in your corner. I'm going to go kill some swamp zombies.

Ps. I'm sure Valve is getting RIGHT ON that apology letter to you...

 

[CanOfPop]

I don't care what anyone says. I got a million flaming responses in my mind to this and I'm not taking anything but a straight out apology from Valve. And THEN a patch to the original.

If you don't care what anyone says why are you reading/posting on an interweb forum?

Seriously, L4D2 is fun and its obvious you haven't given it a try. Your choice to be stubborn doesn't take away from those of us who did grab L4D2 if you don't play it though, so have fun playing in your corner. I'm going to go kill some swamp zombies.

Ps. I'm sure Valve is getting RIGHT ON that apology letter to you...

They'll write it on $100 bills.