Julianking93 said:
No, no. I agree, she probably is lying as is everyone at that age when it comes to sex. But the problem is that even if she is lying, she still has that mentality and that persona. It's rather sad really that people try to become something they're not in order to fit into peer pressure.
Yes. There really shouldn't be a scoreboard for sex. If people think that it's a win or lose style game, then that will only make them treat it loosely as something that isn't both sacred and profane, a knife's edge of experience that can create life and/or (if we are irresponsible) do a lot of damage to it.
Indeed there is. Like I said before, people feel more obligated to do so in the western societies for....hell I don't honestly know why, it's just seen that way. Perhaps it's the media that is to blame. Making out only those who fuck constantly to be successful.
Oh I have no doubt that the media is a huge influence on this. Look at celebrity magazines, health magazines, Hell even look at game concept art and characters. Everywhere, sex is used as an advertisement. We see models of both sexes on every damn poster everywhere, because everything has to be beautiful in the most superficial way to get people's five seconds of attention as they walk by.
A great deal of psychological technique goes into the creation of advertisements. And by social and business processes there is a link between advertising and journalism, so what benefits one will be done by another - why else would, say,
Dolly have a big spread of "how many times did Miley Cyrus have sex this year?" The content makes the readership unhappy with their lives so that the ads in the magazine work better because the models look
so much happier than we feel while reading the magazine.
I will agree with you on the inferior feeling. Even as someone who sticks to his own morals, I get that feeling. It's only natural. I can't imagine how bad it is for some people. While I may weep from time to time that I feel unloved or whatever, there are those who feel even worse off than I do and the only thing to blame is the image that this society shows as being "the best." If you're not like this, you can't be socially accepted, so anyone with any actual morals or decency is seen as an outcast.
That's the bravery part of it, and that's why I'm
not just stroking egos.
You suffer for your choice, and you know it, yet you still do it. It's obvious, because otherwise, would you have really made this thread?
Of course, we can choose to be leaders or followers; to either find our own idea of "the best" or go along with what others want. If necessary, there is always the option of starting your own social movement. And everyone starts those alone, trust me on that... but people will listen if you further the idea, as you might've found in this thread.
Mmmm yes, stroke my ego Huh? Oh yes, well I wouldn't say that necessarily but yes, in order to not really give a fuck about what others thing and to not give into pressure like others is a great feat in any situation. Sex, drugs, or even your own personal style. Those who stick to their own ways that they truly believe to be good without outside pressure or pressure brought on by the society should be commended.
Absolutely. And sadly, they are not, a great deal of the time. Thus my post!
Pretty much the whole point of the thread right there. You hit it perfectly, good sir. Well played!
This is probably the most reasonable and logical post in the entire thread and for that, I thank ya! ^-^
No, thank you for giving me the opportunity to comment, it's a good discussion that you've evolved here. ^^
yoyo13rom said:
Hey! I find that offending!
I'm religious but I don't have anything against premarital sex. Although I think that if you want to wait for the right person to come by and love in the whole meaning(not just sex, but love as in really love, as in want to be with her love, as in you want to be with her forever love; I doubt there is a more passionate love than one that requires eternal commitment), then why shouldn't you marry her first?
Anyway that's just an opinion and unfortunately as many opinions it doesn't matter to much to the world outside the individual's head...
I'm sorry, but you appear to have mistaken my reasons for saying what I said. I was not saying that religious influence is a bad thing necessarily. Quite the contrary. I find that despite the problems with traditionalism against progress in the world today, there are many things in the world that we can thank a faith system for.
I'm merely admiring Julian here for taking a choice without the religious influence to force his views. In other words, he's come to a similar conclusion to some more conservative youths on this issue but with logic and personal trait assertion, rather than faith. That takes more strength of character, not least because among agnostic and atheist youths it is unlikely to be a typical stance towards relationships. In other words, he's defying social pressures without the aid of religious influence to take his own moral stand. I think that's brave.
It might be the equivalent, from your more religious perspective, to living and enjoying life as fully as possible without believing in a God or a Heaven - believing that there's nothing after death. That would also take amazing personal strength, at least in the eyes of those who do believe, since it's just not something you can remove easily without grief if you've grown up with that idea of immortality.
Even if I didn't agree with him, that confidence would certainly give me respect for any person.
Robyrt said:
And when your true love is in the hospital and they will only admit the spouse, you'll wish you had eloped. Marriage has an awful lot of benefits besides making it easier to write your will.
It does have such benefits.
But
should it, really? How much do vows really mean in a Western culture that has a ridiculously high divorce rate?
