So many men are whipped these days

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zen5887

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Machines Are Us said:
zen5887 said:
Being nice to ones significant other does not mean whipped.
Nobody in this post has tried claiming otherwise. Please can you read all the posts in this topic.

We are merely saying that when a significant other makes you feel like you should be spending all your time with them because they want you to as opposed to you wanting to, at the cost of you seeing friends/doing your own thing, then it is not healthy for a relationship.
I see this as

Her: Please come spend time with me.
Him: Sure, I'm at a friends house but I'll be over soon.

Then all his mates call him whipped because he stopped what he was doing to see him girlfriend.

EDIT: To add to my point. On Tuesday a friend helped his girlfriend move house, only to be called whipped by some people at uni the next day. He was just doing a nice thing for her and he got (for the lack of a better term) slammed for it.
 

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I think the thread starter has a point, but I think it's a case of better being safe then sorry. Many girls are probably alot more lenient towards their boyfriends giving some time to their mates, and thats great. The thing is, what if she's not and you wanting to go off and do your own thing ends up snowballing into the end of the relationship.

I wouldn't say that people are 'whipped', it's more that while they know their friends will always be there for them, she isn't so definite. Therefore, they put more importance in trying to build that relationship up then maintaining one that's already strong.

Sure it pisses me off alot as well when my mates have to choose (and inevitably choose her), but I kinda understand what's going on there.
 

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There's a big difference between your wife needing you and your wife just wanting you at home with her. I mean let's face it said:
i think you may have missed my point. i was trying to point out the difference between how much effort i would put in for my wife than for my friends. I normally will choose my wife over my friends. (emergencies excepted). Anyone who is idiot enough to try to force a choice between them and my wife (once again, emergencies excepted) would it be such a surprise when I choose her.


EDIT: And idiot me forgets how to use a computer!!!! sorry
 

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SuperFriendBFG said:
Women who can control their men don't respect them, they take advantage of them. Want to know why? Because they can. Their panting dog of a boyfriend will suck it all up for the all mighty vagina.
Ja. Of course, it works both ways. If you think of the whole relationship as a power balance it makes it easier, in my opinion. Relationships where the power balance is terribly lopsided become 'whipped' or 'abusive' ones.

Usually things get off-kilter because a) one partner loses respect for the other, or b) one person is naturally on the withdrawn / submissive side and it is generally human nature to push the boundaries of something as far as possible (out of some morbid kind of curiosity).

My friend is always telling me about her pushover of a boyfriend - she, uncontrollably, is a real biatch to him and she fully knows what she's doing. She said she just wants him to 'fight back' (i.e. stand up for himself) sometime instead of rolling over. The problem is a misplaced sense of romanticism that guys get taught from crappy movies, or girls who watch and then buy into crappy movies, which basically all make the point that the guy needs to be prepared to make a series of increasingly large personal / lifestyle sacrifices in order to hold down the girl of his dreams. Once you see 'romance' in this way, it's a slow spiral into hell as you fork over your autonomy and dignity one piece at a time.
 

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Clemenstation said:
SuperFriendBFG said:
Women who can control their men don't respect them, they take advantage of them. Want to know why? Because they can. Their panting dog of a boyfriend will suck it all up for the all mighty vagina.
Ja. Of course, it works both ways. If you think of the whole relationship as a power balance it makes it easier, in my opinion. Relationships where the power balance is terribly lopsided become 'whipped' or 'abusive' ones.

Usually things get off-kilter because a) one partner loses respect for the other, or b) one person is naturally on the withdrawn / submissive side and it is generally human nature to push the boundaries of something as far as possible (out of some morbid kind of curiosity).

My friend is always telling me about her pushover of a boyfriend - she, uncontrollably, is a real biatch to him and she fully knows what she's doing. She said she just wants him to 'fight back' (i.e. stand up for himself) sometime instead of rolling over. The problem is a misplaced sense of romanticism that guys get taught from crappy movies, or girls who watch and then buy into crappy movies, which basically all make the point that the guy needs to be prepared to make a series of increasingly large personal / lifestyle sacrifices in order to hold down the girl of his dreams. Once you see 'romance' in this way, it's a slow spiral into hell as you fork over your autonomy and dignity one piece at a time.

Reminds me of something my Brother-In-Law said to me about one of my ex-GFs "If they won't stand up TO you, they will never stand up FOR you."
 

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orifice said:
Never let poon come between you and your friends. Friends are for life, girlfriends are just a pain in the ass.
Spoken like a true Xbox-Live twelve year old.


As for myself- well, I to have never had a serious relationship. Partly because I'm, if not unattractive, not exactly Adonis, partly because I'm inexperienced and partly because I'm starting to wonder if I'm actually psychotic....ach, to hell with it. The idea of making sacrifices for someone is as alien to me as wandering around Swindon in the nude with my testes painted bright green.
 

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Fondant said:
orifice said:
Never let poon come between you and your friends. Friends are for life, girlfriends are just a pain in the ass.
Spoken like a true Xbox-Live twelve year old.


As for myself- well, I to have never had a serious relationship. Partly because I'm, if not unattractive, not exactly Adonis, partly because I'm inexperienced and partly because I'm starting to wonder if I'm actually psychotic....ach, to hell with it. The idea of making sacrifices for someone is as alien to me as wandering around Swindon in the nude with my testes painted bright green.
maybe you should try the wandering around thing. You might get some attention for the "ballsy move"
 

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I prefer the terms "supportive" and "empathetic."
Blam. Nail on the head.

No, I don't -always- drop -everything- for her, but it depends on the situation. Not much else to say.

I can understand the OP's point of view, and I agree -to a point- but once your relationship goes to the next level, it really doesn't work that way.
 

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P1p3s said:
thebobmaster said:
I prefer the terms "supportive" and "empathetic."

Edit: ALso, this may be a bit of a shock to you, but being boyfriend and girlfriend, or boy/boy, or girl/girl, is a bit of a higher step than "buddies", and should be treated as such. If you treat your woman or man like you treat your buddies, then you may have a good friend, but probably not really any good the next step up.
Being a wife it's interesting to be on the other side of this. My husband, during our relationship, has never been the kind of guy to bow to my every whim, this makes me respect him and (strangely enough) find him more attractive. He has never been mean, disrespectful or unkind in this however.

When we were dating if I said 'you wanna do something on X day' if he had other plans then HE HAD OTHER PLANS. I wouldn't have dared phone him while he was hanging out with his bestest buddies (who he doesn't see that often coz they all live a little distance from each other) because he deserves that time to be a man with his men.
Having said that I would occasionally send him 'naughty' text messages to let him know he was on my mind if we weren't together.

I've never had a serious crisis in my life while I've been with him, things were a little bit rough at home for a while and he told me if I ever needed him he would just come get me and take me away, thankfully I never had to take him up on it but it was enough to know he *would* be there if I needed him to be, I didn't need to have him on the phone every five minutes.

One of his best friends is a really outgoing, life of the party kinda guy. His wife, who is adorable, not quiet but just not quite as extroverted understands that is who he is. Pressumably thats part of why she loves him. If she is tired at a party, or "has a headache" like the original post suggests, she'll let him know and take herself off - providing he has a way to get home. Sometimes some mates go with her, sometimes her husband will say "I'd rather be with you" but like some of you have already said its give and take, it's sometimes, not all the time.

I wouldn't want my other half to spend all of his time with me - what would we talk about if we didn't have part of our lives elsewhere. He'll come home and tell me all about his janut with the guys and I'll tell him what I've been up to wit my mates or whatever. Not only does it make for interesting conversation but it's great to kinda 'reconnect' after some time apart, whether it's a couple of hours or if one of us is away for a weekend. It's healthy to have some time apart - IMO. I don't think women really respect men that they can control all the time, women don't want to be dominated or patronised so why should we do it to guys?

Chaps, I say stand up for yourselves, if there are already plans and your woman wants some time with you it is OK to say sorry, not tomorrow night I'm out with the guys but how about X. That last part is important, you aren't just shutting her down, saying no. You are letting her know she is important and you want to make space for her in your life - without handing her the keys to your rear end!!
I can see why your hubby snatched you up.
 

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Fondant said:
orifice said:
Never let poon come between you and your friends. Friends are for life, girlfriends are just a pain in the ass.
Spoken like a true Xbox-Live twelve year old.


As for myself- well, I to have never had a serious relationship. Partly because I'm, if not unattractive, not exactly Adonis, partly because I'm inexperienced and partly because I'm starting to wonder if I'm actually psychotic....ach, to hell with it. The idea of making sacrifices for someone is as alien to me as wandering around Swindon in the nude with my testes painted bright green.
Actually I'm 35. I've had serious relationships, but they just ended up twisting my head even more. The one thing I could rely on through everything was my friends.
My friends accept me for who I am, which is more than any woman has done. Women just seem to want to change me and replace my friends with hers.
EDIT: Consoles suck! I'm a PC gamer!
 

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Of course, of course, of course, but there is the uglier side to this. A friend of mine always used to brag about how he always abided by the maxim "Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen". This was before he caught her caught her cheating that is, I can't say I was sympathetic to him either...
 

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I have a friend who seriously got cut off from most of society once he got a girlfriend and on one hand this is BS, but on the other hand i can almost see myself doing the same thing... Hopefully that never happens though...

Personally I'm usually a push over for people I actually know, but that's just because being anti-social means that for the most part I really do have nothing better to be doing.
 

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Erana said:
And have you ever considered that your friend may enjoy spending time with her more than with you? I mean, he's calling her, "The missus."
He called her "The Missus". I'd believe that's a dead give-a-way.