actually those were reapers.Groxnax said:
but how did they take out the fleet so quickly with it ever getting word out like "shit this is a jammy situation guvner!"
yet it was enough time few news crews to start filming
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but how did they take out the fleet so quickly with it ever getting word out like "shit this is a jammy situation guvner!"
yet it was enough time few news crews to start filming
ok that one made me laughthe27thvoice said:Sorry, I usually don't comment on people spelling stuff wrong, but when you say bearly (as opposed to barely/hardly), my mind wanders to this:spartandude said:
I really wanna see the reapers rawrbomb earth.
these are warships how should be able to withstand nuclear warheads. they are built for combat, while i imagine building are probably sturdier in the future, id still wager that warships are more durableboag said:
yeah, that isn't how i remember it either. soveriegn was so bored with the alliance fleet at the end of ME1 at first it wasn't even bothering to fire its weapons, rather simply ramming any cruiser foolish to get it its way as bee lined toward the citadel. when it attached itself to the citadel, it took the entire remaining fleet to take it down ... bioware even made a point to have someone say (something like), "it's too big, it's tearing us apart" and admiral hackett (how did i pull that name out of my ass?) responding "it must be destroyed, no matter the cost". implying he was ready to sacrifice the entire fleet to destroy a single reaper.spartandude said:
this has always been the biggest issue facing a resolution to the ME series. how can any race (or combination of races) stand up to a "race" like the reapers whose sole (and unknowable) purpose seems to be the elimination of other species at their apex? granted having some warning will help, but i will be curious to see how bioware resolves that problem without reducing the reapers into just another powerful race or obstacle to overcome (like the collectors).
tbh i think they wont explain it, i have little faith in their writing these daysAscarus said:
That's all true.Soviet Heavy said:
However, most of the criticisms in the post I quoted were questions that cannot possibly be answered in any demo whatsoever, since this demo only covers a very small percentage of the plot. Besides that most of them were also of the 'why is grass green' variety.
We already know not every Reaper is the same, lets use the phrase "make and model", as Sovereign. For example these gounded Reapers are not as massive.spartandude said:
I wouldn't want to ruin your fun.
To be fair that Dreadnought look like it was a long way off in the distance; so much so that I was stunned that the shockwave of its explosion reached where I was. You'll notice the debris doesn't go very far though.DrWilhelm said:
I thoroughly agree on this point. The whole time I was screaming at the screen for Joker to gun the Normandy and haul ass out of there before it got vaporized.DrWilhelm said:
Aside from the obvious, in that the multiplayer is up now?Saegrim said:
So far so good on my experience with the multiplayer, BTW. It's way more difficult than the regular game, I started out stupidly holding down Shift and wondering why the action wasn't pausing
Only gave it a quick go and couldn't get a game running with a full team of four but even so, it's got that addictive "just one more go" feel about it. Be interesting to see if that lasts, I guess.
After installing Origin, playing the demo, and uninstalling Origin, I can say I was underwhelmed.
Say what you will about the manipulative shock value of Mass Effect 2's opening, but it was a lot better than this.
-Like others have already said, the animations are pretty terrible, especially the facial expressions. Anderson might have looked like a potato in the first two games, but he was an expressive potato. The running animation looks like the player is running bow legged for example.
-Ashley's redesign looks plastic. Her face doesn't move at all.
-So now Anderson will be an Admiral despite any choices you made in the past two games? Anderson's on the Council in ME2? Sorry, he's back with the military now! And Leliana can be resurrected by Andraste's cremated corpse while we're at it!
-When did Bioware decide to hire the Capcom employee from Lost Planet who insists every action be controlled by a single button? I can't count how many times I wanted to sprint, only to do a combat roll, or a backflip, or a sidestep. Use some more buttons, you have a whole bloody keyboard.
-Coupled with the above gripe is the motion blurring. Now, motion blurring didn't bother me much in Mass Effect 2, because the only time it showed up was when you were sprinting. Here, half your screen looks like it is tearing if you so much as jerk your targeting reticle.
-The Character creator looks like it has made improvements and missteps. On one hand, the character you create now looks the same in the creator as it does in game, unlike Mass Effect 2, where once the mouth starts moving, you realize you've made a grave mistake.
The problem is I feel like it has adopted some of the problems Dragon Age 2's creator had, namely that while it is easier to make a visually appealing face, it is harder to make a unique one. Most of the faces look incredibly similar to each other regardless of the amount of tweaking. The Hair styles have gotten an upgrade, but this is still Bioware playdough hair.
-Pacing is very awkward. I'm not sure how this will be handled in the full game, but the way it was presented here was painful. James Vega is suddenly well known to the Commander despite never showing up in a game before. The court hearing for your actions in Arrival is handwaved. Suddenly Reapers! Oh, and the Normandy
-In comparison to the explosive start to ME2, ME3 feels awfully quiet, despite the giant robots. Mass Effect 2 was jolting, because your super cool ship was gone. It's like watching the Millennium Falcon or the USS Enterprise going down, it's gonna hurt. Here.... you run along a building, except you are pulled out of the game every five minutes to watch a spectacle piece. LOOK OUT! HERE COMES A LASER BLAST! STOP PLAYING AND WATCH IT! This wouldn't bother me so much if they let you keep control of your character. Instead, the game takes control away from you and forces you to watch the event happen.
-Maybe I'm spoiled because of Uncharted, Bioshock, and Killzone 3's water effects, but my god were the visuals on the waterfront poor.
-The child scene made me more angry than sad. Bioware is above this. I felt more connection in Dragon Age Origins when the elder Cousland's young son was murdered in his sleep than here. The whole thing felt awfully forced and heavy handed, and the mournful piano playing made things blatantly obvious what they were trying to do.
-Default FemShep looks bad. She has the same deformed face as James and Nu Anderson, it looks too flat and non emotive. And look, another red haired green eyed heroine. Never seen one of those before. I would have liked if they'd modeled her after a real person like they did with Sheploo, because they really can't use their own creator engine.
-The second part of the demo was slightly better, especially in pacing. However, it was here especially that the problem of having every action mapped to the spacebar became apparent. With so much cover and items to pick up, one errant tap of the space bar could send you flying into the open.
-I'm not gonna bother trying to talk about the story, because there was pretty much nothing here apart from "REAPERS ATTACK EARTH" and "SAVE KROGAN". And Bioware has shown that they don't really give a shit about your choices if they impact the story.
-Visuals are very muddy. We had a color choice of grey earth, or brown sarkesh, and they both made target identification a pain in the ass, since everything blended together. Still the same low res texture problem that the last game had, and an even more barren graphics menu.
-Before anyone starts moaning that I shouldn't judge the game by the demo, let me make one thing clear: the demo is meant to give you a taste of what the full game is like. If it doesn't work for me, then I won't buy the full game. So don't start whining "but it's just a demo, the full game is far better!"
Last time that happened was Dragon Age 2. And it turned out that its demo was exactly the same as what we got in the final product.
-With that said, I have drawn the conclusion that I will not be buying the full version of Mass Effect 3.
Say what you will about the manipulative shock value of Mass Effect 2's opening, but it was a lot better than this.
-Like others have already said, the animations are pretty terrible, especially the facial expressions. Anderson might have looked like a potato in the first two games, but he was an expressive potato. The running animation looks like the player is running bow legged for example.
-Ashley's redesign looks plastic. Her face doesn't move at all.
-So now Anderson will be an Admiral despite any choices you made in the past two games? Anderson's on the Council in ME2? Sorry, he's back with the military now! And Leliana can be resurrected by Andraste's cremated corpse while we're at it!
-When did Bioware decide to hire the Capcom employee from Lost Planet who insists every action be controlled by a single button? I can't count how many times I wanted to sprint, only to do a combat roll, or a backflip, or a sidestep. Use some more buttons, you have a whole bloody keyboard.
-Coupled with the above gripe is the motion blurring. Now, motion blurring didn't bother me much in Mass Effect 2, because the only time it showed up was when you were sprinting. Here, half your screen looks like it is tearing if you so much as jerk your targeting reticle.
-The Character creator looks like it has made improvements and missteps. On one hand, the character you create now looks the same in the creator as it does in game, unlike Mass Effect 2, where once the mouth starts moving, you realize you've made a grave mistake.
The problem is I feel like it has adopted some of the problems Dragon Age 2's creator had, namely that while it is easier to make a visually appealing face, it is harder to make a unique one. Most of the faces look incredibly similar to each other regardless of the amount of tweaking. The Hair styles have gotten an upgrade, but this is still Bioware playdough hair.
-Pacing is very awkward. I'm not sure how this will be handled in the full game, but the way it was presented here was painful. James Vega is suddenly well known to the Commander despite never showing up in a game before. The court hearing for your actions in Arrival is handwaved. Suddenly Reapers! Oh, and the Normandy
-In comparison to the explosive start to ME2, ME3 feels awfully quiet, despite the giant robots. Mass Effect 2 was jolting, because your super cool ship was gone. It's like watching the Millennium Falcon or the USS Enterprise going down, it's gonna hurt. Here.... you run along a building, except you are pulled out of the game every five minutes to watch a spectacle piece. LOOK OUT! HERE COMES A LASER BLAST! STOP PLAYING AND WATCH IT! This wouldn't bother me so much if they let you keep control of your character. Instead, the game takes control away from you and forces you to watch the event happen.
-Maybe I'm spoiled because of Uncharted, Bioshock, and Killzone 3's water effects, but my god were the visuals on the waterfront poor.
-The child scene made me more angry than sad. Bioware is above this. I felt more connection in Dragon Age Origins when the elder Cousland's young son was murdered in his sleep than here. The whole thing felt awfully forced and heavy handed, and the mournful piano playing made things blatantly obvious what they were trying to do.
-Default FemShep looks bad. She has the same deformed face as James and Nu Anderson, it looks too flat and non emotive. And look, another red haired green eyed heroine. Never seen one of those before. I would have liked if they'd modeled her after a real person like they did with Sheploo, because they really can't use their own creator engine.
-The second part of the demo was slightly better, especially in pacing. However, it was here especially that the problem of having every action mapped to the spacebar became apparent. With so much cover and items to pick up, one errant tap of the space bar could send you flying into the open.
-I'm not gonna bother trying to talk about the story, because there was pretty much nothing here apart from "REAPERS ATTACK EARTH" and "SAVE KROGAN". And Bioware has shown that they don't really give a shit about your choices if they impact the story.
-Visuals are very muddy. We had a color choice of grey earth, or brown sarkesh, and they both made target identification a pain in the ass, since everything blended together. Still the same low res texture problem that the last game had, and an even more barren graphics menu.
-Before anyone starts moaning that I shouldn't judge the game by the demo, let me make one thing clear: the demo is meant to give you a taste of what the full game is like. If it doesn't work for me, then I won't buy the full game. So don't start whining "but it's just a demo, the full game is far better!"
Last time that happened was Dragon Age 2. And it turned out that its demo was exactly the same as what we got in the final product.
-With that said, I have drawn the conclusion that I will not be buying the full version of Mass Effect 3.
It makes perfect sense. The lower res textures would be a hell of a lot smaller in size than the high res ones. Usually games use both, the low res when you are far away from an object and the high res once you get close up. Perhaps Bioware just dropped the high res textures as a sure fire way to keep the size down. Although they've obviously kept some in. You may notice that Ashley looks a hell of a lot better than Anderson.TheCommanders said:
I hope this also has something to do with the sub-par lip synching.
Well, The structural improvements that can be made into a warship would certainly be passed on to a base of military operations, wouldnt it?spartandude said:
If you have the tech to make a warship that can shrug off atomic warheads, why wouldnt you build a base that can do the same if its the nerve center for your military operations?
I have the anwser for this.Ascarus said:
Technological improvemnts across different facets of the races.
This comes into play because something that was done in ME2, the Thanix Canon that shrdes the Collector Ship to pieces was reverse engineered by Turians from Reaper Technology.
The same way the humans were able to use the Advanced Hull Plating, in ME2 you get it because you have the entire weight of Cerberus backing you for this and no red tape to hold you over, the military would have to approve the development and a defense budget to produce it.
Sadly, im fairly certain given the leaks that some kind of Plot Device will have to found scattered across the entire Galaxy, and one completed it gives Shepard the Leverage to bring the reapers into the negotiation table.
Well, here is the thing, a Demo is usually a small part of a game, if a Demo came out and was so impressive that it had people salivating, then it would be expected that the game is just as good or better.spartandude said:
Its still being judged in the same vein, the game is always expected to be just as good or better than a demo because a demo is always incomplete, no matter if the demo was good or bad.
I believe Bioware has stated that the Illusive man is NOT indoctrinated. That said I believe his minions just might be. (his own mind-controlled slave army, oh how quaint...) So why would he fight you then? Well maybe because he doesn't see fighting the Reapers as a viable choice, that humanity must take a new form as a Reaper and Shepard is in the way of that? Or maybe the same reason as Saren before he completely lost it, that only by working with them can he make himself useful enough to spare. I remember that doctor Breen in Half-life helped the combine by making humans seem useful instead of letting humanity be destroyed... *shrugs*AD-Stu said: